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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The FRED Workshop => Topic started by: StratComm on April 16, 2005, 01:51:30 am
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We're all convinced, Blaise is a FRED god. The real thing, decendent from Olympus mouse-in-hand, to bring outstanding missions and campaigns to the mission-poor masses. Bow down and worship him!
:p
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err....more like the crown 'prince' of FRED, considering that Karajoma came first :P
But hell yes, pretty damn close to God status right there.
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Meh, just wait until we release Silent Threat: Reborn. :p
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Originally posted by Singh
err....more like the crown 'prince' of FRED, considering that Karajoma came first :P
I can't make any claims on how good my FREDding is until I actually pull my finger out and actually release a mission :D
I've been FREDding for nearly 4 years now and apart from the MG team and a couple of other people no one has ever seen a complete mission from me. :nervous:
Actually I've got the whole of next week off. I should finalise the TMA plotline and then get to work on SoR :)
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Originally posted by Blitzerland
Excellent campaign, as usual.
*grumbles about his own mediocre FREDing skills*
:ha: i can FRED better than you. :p
Originally posted by StratComm
We're all convinced, Blaise is a FRED god. The real thing, decendent from Olympus mouse-in-hand, to bring outstanding missions and campaigns to the mission-poor masses. Bow down and worship him!
:p
i thought G5K was the legend here? :D
really should try this out sometime. :)
[EDIT] Geez, kara, you posted that campaign...what? last year or something and you never made any progress since?
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Goob's a legend of a different sort. He's your typical jack-of-all-trades, save that he's actually a master of several. Though he's not quite as prolific as BR when it comes to the missions.
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Ahhhh, I see.
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So how many personally-FREDed missions have you released cobra?
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for now, 1. i finally found some time to do my last mission for the FA. :nervous:
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Originally posted by StratComm
Goob's a legend of a different sort. He's your typical jack-of-all-trades, save that he's actually a master of several. Though he's not quite as prolific as BR when it comes to the missions.
Thanks. :)
My problem is that, like karajorma, I'm too much of a perfectionist for my own good. That's how Freelancer went from being a simple two-mission test of persistent sexps to a full-blown six-sector proof-of-concept. And ST:R has been delayed for over two years because we've just kept improving it. ;)
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Originally posted by Goober5000
I'm too much of a perfectionist for my own good.
:nod: Same here (1st sig line). Whenever I finish something, I know I can do better.. :sigh: It's an endless loop...
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Originally posted by Goober5000
My problem is that, like karajorma, I'm too much of a perfectionist for my own good. That's how Freelancer went from being a simple two-mission test of persistent sexps to a full-blown six-sector proof-of-concept. And ST:R has been delayed for over two years because we've just kept improving it. ;)
Yep. That's my problem. I basically scrapped the original 20 or so missions I had already done for TMA when I came up with a better plotline.
Fact is that although a few of them were newbish there are some pretty decent missions in there that will probably never see the light of day because I feel that I'm a much better FREDder than I was back then.
I'm actually worse than Goober in that I've never actually released anything though :D
Anyway you know rather than talking we should be playing this no doubt fantastic campaign BR's released. Only about 3 of the posters seem to have actually played it!
Actually I'm going to split off the off-topic. BR deserves better than this :)
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Originally posted by Akalabeth Angel
So how many personally-FREDed missions have you released cobra?
:lol: Pwned!
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i can FRED better than you.
No, you can't. Man, I've never wanted to hit someone so badly...I've been FREDing since the game came out.
Dream on. :no:
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I want to be the court jester of FREDding!
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You and Goober already are. Just Another Day? Deux Ex Machina? ;)
If you slay Cobra with untraceable poision, I'll mail you a T-Shirt with "FRED Jester" inscribed with genuine moon-dust.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Meh, just wait until we release Silent Threat: Reborn. :p
Just wait until we release GTI :p
At any rate, Blaise is indeed one of the best FREDers of our day, with more campaigns released solo than many groups on the entire board.
And yes, Goober has his own mark in the FRED community as well (Deux Ex Machina, anyone? ;) ).
Still, I think it's fair to recognize some of our new and emerging talents. Ransom Archein's Sync was one of the better non-BR campaigns released recently, and I've noted several members of my own staff as having great potential.
So how many personally-FREDed missions have you released cobra?
Perfect timing, AA :yes: Indeed, Cobra, before you go attacking or even poking fun at others, at least have some backup to support your argument. Hell, don't even do it at all.
I'm actually worse than Goober in that I've never actually released anything though
Not that Mindgames isn't going to be good :nod: Quality takes time (well, in BR's case, a matter of months :p )
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Blaise Russel is living proof that newbies don't have to be utter morons.
I think his first real post at HLP was to announce the release of his quad campaign-set, Sol: A History.
Now that's my kind of newbie. :)
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*Makes a note to kidnap Blaise Russel and brainwash him to FRED EA Civil War campaign.*
? oops...
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meh....one of these days....damn..no way I can beat that.
err
*blames it onto his lack of free time :p
BR = God of FRED with free time :P
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As far as missions ive played BR are the best, and from what ive seen Karajoma is the most knowledgable about it
but what do i know i cant FRED;):p
(see title; goob can we change that back or sometihn:p)
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Hmm... Lets see my records... Well, I've started FREDding in 2004... Lets go back... And back... And back... Still back... Back 'til im 6. Starcraft was recently released, and im - what's this? I'm sitting on my computer making a Starcraft map using Staredit! Foward... I'm 10 and I'm still mapping, only I moved from Starcraft to Brood War to Mech Commander 2 to Warcraft 3. Seems that I started to learn HTML then too... Then comes The Frozen Throne... Then I discover Freespace 2, and soon after SCP! I love the game and decide to learn how to FRED. At day one of opening FRED2, I created that tutorial mission. Day 2, I downloaded SCP and installed it. Day 3, I got SCP working. Day 4, I get the idea for a player-as-a-capship mission but soon find out that it would suck. Day 259, I realize that I CAN make a player-as-a-capship mission play decently! Day 260, my computer decides to implode, and all my ideas are tossed in a can and thrown off a cliff. Day 301, I post this.
I have been making "missions" for roughly half my entire life. (holy crap! I'm only 12, but I often glance down upon those thirty years older than I) Though, (due to my being only 13 in four months) if I was the best FREDder it would be a miracle from god. However, I can say that I am a pretty damn good one. The main thing I learned about my rather awkward situation is that if you convince people that you are right, you will go far.
I need a life.
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Originally posted by Dark RevenantX
I'm only 12
Seriously?
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:jaw:
Whoa.
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I act and look like im 14, though...
Stop looking at me!
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I thought I was the youngest member here... never bothered to look into it tho... I registered when I was... 13, I think. Yes, 13. I guess I'm not as young as I thought. That reminds me... 15 days until my birthday. And yes, I am still alive. Just in a vegetative state.
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Originally posted by Blitzerland
No, you can't. Man, I've never wanted to hit someone so badly...I've been FREDing since the game came out.
Dream on. :no:
wait 'till you play my missions for GTI and Pathways. :p
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You should never be so arrogant as to say you're better at FREDing than someone else, when you really have no clue. I seriously doubt you're more experienced than me. It's really quite childish to argue over, really.
wait 'till you play my missions for GTI and Pathways.
With nuclear1's guidance, your mission(s) for GTI might be good, as for Pathways...I'm not even going to make a comment on that.
And I've got something coming out, too, you know. :p
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Okay you two. Calm it down. If you really want to prove who's better then either crank out some missions or prove it the way I did by helping other people with their missions enough that people can see you know your way around FRED pretty well.
Bragging about how good you are is a waste of time unless you have something to back it up with.
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People, this is the third time I've had to say this...
Now turn it down before another potentially useful thread gets locked and thrown away.
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Cobra, Blitz: Knock it off, both of you. Hard Light is not a place for you to go flaunting your egos around. Blitz, I believe your experience; Cobra, check the GTI internals and pick another mission to FRED.
Seriously, people, knock it off. For the third time. :doubt:
I act and look like im 14, though...
Had no idea you were that young. You certainly don't appear so on here :nod:
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I wholeheartedly agree with Karajorma, you can't just say "Hey, I'm better than you!" unless you have solid proof that your claim is correct. If you put up "Hey, I'm better that you!", then post your best map and his best map, then people wouldn't have to yell at you.
Due to my lack of a good Windows OS machine, I'm reduced to playing a game quite litterally made out of squares and triangles. You are this little fighter that looks like a bunch of building blocks glued together, and you have to shoot at enemies and collect their debris, all while dodging a completely overwhelming mass of brightly colored "projectiles" going in every direction. Whoever made the game is undoubtedly insane. If you want the game, then buy a Mac and get the application from the osx downloads section in the Apple site.
I still need a life.
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You´re forgetting some great Fredders here, people...
Kellan, Agatheron, FireSplat, IceFire, Ace an Dynamo should sound familiar. :)
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Well, no one can forget them, of course ;) After all, K&A gave us our beloved Derelict, didn't they? :D
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I recognise IceFire, Agatheron and Kellan.
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Whatever happened to Dynamo and Kellen, anyway?
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RL i think
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OHNOESLOLZ10101TEHYSHULDHVEDUNDERELCT2@@@@!!!!!1111oneoneoneslash
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OHNOESLOLZ10101TEHYSHULDHVEDUNDERELCT2@@@@!!!!!111
You frighten me in ways I find difficult to describe. :p
At least The Almighty King of FREDing Himself is renovating Derelict.
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I'd hate to be a modern King Tut, sooo I think I'l bow down too...
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You people need help. :wtf:
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I agree!
Oh, wait...
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Indeed.
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Originally posted by Slanker_MT
You´re forgetting some great Fredders here, people...
Kellan, Agatheron, FireSplat, IceFire, Ace an Dynamo should sound familiar. :)
It's very easy to miss FREDders. The main reason I haven't locked this thread already is cause FREDders rarely get the props they deserve. The problem is of course that while you can post a picture of a half completed model and get everyone to applaud your skill the only time people can see how good you are at FREDding is when you release a campaign.
Posting help for other FREDders on here shows technical ability but for all we know your missions could be no fun to play because they are too hard, too easy or just plain uninteresting.
So the funny thing is that there are some campaigns I'm looking forwards to not so much because of the plotline (although that may be great) but because I want to see what the FREDders involved are up to.
I'd probably put Scroll of Atankharzim at the top of that list. As far as I know I haven't played anything by Sesquipedalian ever but from the postings I've seen by him I can tell that he knows his way around FRED at least as well as I do.
There are quite a few other campaigns I could mention that also interest me for the same reason.
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Originally posted by karajorma
I'd probably put Scroll of Atankharzim at the top of that list. As far as I know I haven't played anything by Sesquipedalian ever but from the postings I've seen by him I can tell that he knows his way around FRED at least as well as I do.
:yes:
you should check the forum as well. theres some nice screen caps.
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Originally posted by karajorma
It's very easy to miss FREDders. The main reason I haven't locked this thread already is cause FREDders rarely get the props they deserve. The problem is of course that while you can post a picture of a half completed model and get everyone to applaud your skill the only time people can see how good you are at FREDding is when you release a campaign.
the only people keeping FS2 alive are the FREDers and the codemonkeys. :yes:
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and the modelers, artists, story people, and slackers.
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...and the project leaders, webmasters, and trolls.
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nah, trolls only get in the way. :D
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and the voice actors.
:nervous: What? Stop giving me that look.
Yeah that one! :p
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Skittles. You practically forgot Skittles! (20,000 Purple Drazi points to whoever recognizes this FREDders other nickname. Hint: he was already mentioned here once in that other nickname.)
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M&M's? :p
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EDIT: Upon reflection I have decided this post was unnecessary and inflammatory.
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...Was it addressed to me?
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slasher who are you talking about?(skittles)
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Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
...Was it addressed to me?
No.
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Originally posted by Blitzerland
You frighten me in ways I find difficult to describe. :p
At least The Almighty King of FREDing Himself is renovating Derelict.
Actually, I'd call him more the king of freespace campaigns than the king of FREDding.
That title ought to go to Karajoma - simply because he's the most famous FREDdite here, despite the lack of missions. Simply releasing missions is one thing, but actually being able to manipulate FRED to do things one never though possible is another. I've seen some of the stuff Karajoma's made, and his knowledge. Hands down, I'd say that he's the King of FRED itself.
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i second that. All hail Karajorma, King of FREDing!
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Guys, guys. I thought this was clear.
Blaise Russel=Campaign King, as made clear by his title.
Karajorma=FRED King, as made clear by his ability to manipulate FRED into doing wierd and unnatural things.
Put them together and you have the King and Que...King and King of Freespace Mission-Building.
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Originally posted by Night Hammer
slasher who are you talking about?(skittles)
FireSplat. Skittles was his old nickname. I guess you'd have to be from the Second Generation VBB group or earlier to get that. I feel so old now... :sigh:
Who could forget the other regulars on the VBB's FRED2 help forum? Or other ancients? Eth, M'Prok, Zarathud, Peter Drake, the guy who wrote the original FRED2 retail walkthrough, and ZylonBane (oh wait, he's still around, isn't he?). :D
Someone here has to tell me that at least one of those names is familiar!
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Zarathud and Eth sound familiar and ZB
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Originally posted by Singh
Actually, I'd call him more the king of freespace campaigns than the king of FREDding.
That title ought to go to Karajoma - simply because he's the most famous FREDdite here, despite the lack of missions. Simply releasing missions is one thing, but actually being able to manipulate FRED to do things one never though possible is another. I've seen some of the stuff Karajoma's made, and his knowledge. Hands down, I'd say that he's the King of FRED itself.
Gee. Thanks Singh. I'm all embarassed now.
I don't know if I'm the best to be honest. Maybe just the loudest out of the best. ;)
I'm sure that there are others who are as good as me. I mentioned Sesquipedalian earlier cause when he does post a FRED answer it always impresses me. And I'm sure Goober is probably as technically brilliant as I am. Look at FreeSpaceLancer for an example.
I think your view is slightly biased by the fact that you can see the big MG mission I'm working on but can't see the WIPs of the other people I mentioned. That said I don't mind getting some praise for my FREDding. We FREDders don't often get as much as we deserve and it definately has the effect of making me want to work harder at it :)
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Originally posted by Slasher
FireSplat. Skittles was his old nickname. I guess you'd have to be from the Second Generation VBB group or earlier to get that. I feel so old now... :sigh:
Who could forget the other regulars on the VBB's FRED2 help forum? Or other ancients? Eth, M'Prok, Zarathud, Peter Drake, the guy who wrote the original FRED2 retail walkthrough, and ZylonBane (oh wait, he's still around, isn't he?). :D
Someone here has to tell me that at least one of those names is familiar!
Yup, ZylonBane, the beam dude ;)
Did M´Pork actually do something other than spamming the VBB? Peter Drake also made the Boomerang campaign with a nice effect (tactical jump of a Moloch) and FireSplat simply created three of the best single missions ever released for FS2
Caught in the middle (http://archives.volitionwatch.com/fs2/review/display.php3?MissID=213)
Surprise guests (http://archives.volitionwatch.com/fs2/review/display.php3?MissID=156)
and Holocaust (http://archives.volitionwatch.com/fs2/review/display.php3?MissID=172)
You really should get and play those missions, they are really worth the download :)
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Eth always wrote those nice long multi-paragraph responses to everyone's questions in the FRED2 forum. He seemed to have solutions to even the most complicated of our problems. He dropped off the radar sometime before Ground FreeSpace's MS Sidewinder mission contest in May, 2000.
And then there's ZylonBane. Beam-friggin-free-all. What more needs to be said? Beam-friggin-free-all indeed.
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Originally posted by Slasher
And then there's ZylonBane. Beam-friggin-free-all. What more needs to be said? Beam-friggin-free-all indeed.
:lol:
man, i woulda liked to be with the VBB.
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Nah, the only thing you´d have seen there would be Setekh writing millions of posts... I think he even got past the 7k-line, I think :D
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Originally posted by karajorma
I'm sure that there are others who are as good as me. I mentioned Sesquipedalian earlier cause when he does post a FRED answer it always impresses me. And I'm sure Goober is probably as technically brilliant as I am. Look at FreeSpaceLancer for an example.
Gee. Thanks karajorma. I'm all embarassed now. :)We FREDders don't often get as much as we deserve and it definately has the effect of making me want to work harder at it :)
:nod: :nod: :nod:
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We FREDders don't often get as much as we deserve and it definately has the effect of making me want to work harder at it
Everyone: Begin neglecting FREDders. Maybe that'll speed up some of the big Campaigns.
;) j/k.
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Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
Everyone: Begin neglecting FREDders. Maybe that'll speed up some of the big Campaigns.
:wtf: No, praise speeds us up. Neglect slows us down. That's why all the campaigns are taking so long. ;)
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and school and work. :D
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Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
Everyone: Begin neglecting FREDders. Maybe that'll speed up some of the big Campaigns.
;) j/k.
Begin? :p
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Originally posted by Goober5000
:wtf: No, praise speeds us up. Neglect slows us down. That's why all the campaigns are taking so long. ;)
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We FREDders don't often get as much as we deserve and it definately has the effect of making me want to work harder at it
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Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
Everyone: Begin neglecting FREDders. Maybe that'll speed up some of the big Campaigns.
;) j/k.
Hmmm. That sentence was a little ambiguous on it's own but taken in context you should see that I was referring to the fact that when people praise my FREDding I want to FRED more often.
It's similar to the way that Goober complained a while back that no one seemed to be using his new SEXP stuff and that made him feel less inclined to work on it.
That's the main reason I'm pushing the new string variable stuff and when-argument style conditionals so hard. If I didn't only a few people would probably realise how powerful and useful this new stuff is so no one would use it and thank Goober for it.
In fact I think I said when string variable testing was added that only about 5 people would care but that we would all care a hell of a lot :D
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We should go on strike or something.
"What do we want? Wub and huggles! When do we want them? Now!"
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:lol: :lol:
Begin?
Indeed. I don't think FREDers get half the good attention they deserve. It seems as if project leaders get a lot of credit for the campaign, but no one seriously considers the hard work that FREDers put into them. :nod:
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We need to revisit the days of mission design contests. :)
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Originally posted by Slasher
FireSplat. Skittles was his old nickname. I guess you'd have to be from the Second Generation VBB group or earlier to get that. I feel so old now... :sigh:
Who could forget the other regulars on the VBB's FRED2 help forum? Or other ancients? Eth, M'Prok, Zarathud, Peter Drake, the guy who wrote the original FRED2 retail walkthrough, and ZylonBane (oh wait, he's still around, isn't he?). :D
Someone here has to tell me that at least one of those names is familiar!
Whatever happened to Eth (I presume you mean Etheral Entity)? He seem a pretty decent bloke (smart as **** as well), I remember him giving me a hand figuring out mtl files way back when I started using Lith to map models.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
We need to revisit the days of mission design contests. :)
Especially now that the SCP has opened so many options to FRED. :nod:
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Yeah, just so it's clear, you FREDders do realize it was a joke, right?
I mean, c'mon, you know we all love ya. What would new Models or effects be without the well-thought-out missions that use them, for example? ;)
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Originally posted by Goober5000
We need to revisit the days of mission design contests. :)
The last one was a bit of a flop though. No one could post progress reports easily so there was no way to inspire people to work on the missions and very little ended up getting done (I myself only got halfway through my mission).
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Yes, but I think I know why the last contest had problems. It ought to be possible to avoid them if we know what they are.
Check your ICQ. :)