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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Charismatic on April 22, 2005, 04:40:06 pm
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i posted links to FS2 Models that i have drawn from scratch. These are an attempt to be 'good', but my drawing skills i dont think are too good, im getting better at this.
Most of my Models are Terran design, and some are Vasudan.
I just checked, i have only about less then half of all my Models with me, sorry, i thought i had them all. I will get the remanent up sometime in a week or two at most.
These, because i have no MODing cability, (Tho i will try to learn.."Blender32?" and the other one i .. may have) im allowing and hopeing some of you would like to make them into real models and MOD's.
You can use them in whatever manner you like, and in campaigns, but please give credit to me and the one who made the model.
When you have finished a model, please post it, or a link to it, in the next thread, that has my links to my models.
Any good mannered critisizm is appreciated. I would love to learn how to draw better.
Also, some of your own modifications are fine, tho i would like them to be as close to the origional drawing as possible.
Links (Same as in my last reply, Report if any are borken):
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Membe...ages/img004.jpg
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Membe...ages/img001.jpg
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Membe...ages/img002.jpg
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Membe...ages/img003.jpg
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/Ephili/images/img004.jpg
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Membe...ages/img007.png
~Ephili~
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Fair warning; Normally, asking people to make your designs with no apparent benefit to themselves can lead to....scorn.
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Indeed. In fact, I was about to post something scornful. :nod:
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*Pours Scorn on Charismatic's Idea*
Mind you if someone really likes your ideas they might model them for you.
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More like we may model them for ourselves. Though unless you're willing to commission one of us to do them, you're extremely unlikely to get us to follow your design to the letter. I usually use concept art as an inspiration, rather than a blueprint.
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Eh. Was just hopeing if anyone wanted to practice or do it in their spare time, they could do it; would be interesting.
"more of inspiriation then a blueprint"-- Well id still like to see the finished model you make (being based on my model).
Eh, this was just a thought. Thought it would be more accepted.
*Starts scanning pictures*
Another reminder that il add more by next week.. only a handfull i have with me.
*Sigh*
Edit: Commition some of you? Well whos willing? Il commition ppl to do certian ones if you think its best (Not trying to sound bossy).
My hope was that ppl MOD'ed for fun.. hehe, so it wouldent be so bad doing these.
Thank you all for being nice. Please keep nice:p hehe;)
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Modders tend to mod as a form of self-expression. I'd bet 99% of us do this because we want to add our own stamp to the game; hence doing someone elses design usually holds no interest except in the case of total conversions where it's because we want to play with a particular universe which we know & love.
The fun parts comes from finishing something we want to make, not something someone else wants us to make. That's how it works, really.
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Eh. Got less with me then i thougth, but found some. Here is links, report if any are broken.
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/Ephili/images/img004.jpg
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/Ephili/images/img001.jpg
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/Ephili/images/img002.jpg
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/Ephili/images/img003.jpg
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/Ephili/images/img004.png
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/Ephili/images/img007.png
My handwrighting sucks, and il edit this later and post.. what its suspose to say for each one. Keep in mind, this is first time trying to do 3d models, and evermore, ships.
More next weekend.
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Ever heard of cropping? :wtf: Those images are frakkin huge.
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Um... in all honesty, those are far too simple & plain to be of much use for a modder.
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:wtf: at drawings.
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Those drawings are totally unreadable, and frankly, quite odd. :wtf:
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:confused: :confused: :wtf: :wtf: :rolleyes: :ick:
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Um... in all honesty, those are far too simple & plain to be of much use for a modder.
Seconded.
And Charismatic, drawings are not models. The proper term for such work is concept art (drawing a concept, that you or another modeler turns into a model) though those pictures hardly depict concepts of any kind. Similar to how "3BGreens, 15 Blob turrets, 10 flak turrets" isn't a good description of a ship mod without an actual model, a couple of lines and random circles are not a good depiction of something that can be modeled. Concept art usually has more detail than you're going to typically see on a game model, not less.
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The first drawing looks like the GTD Dild* with 2 extra balls mid-ship. And the pubic hair type lines don´t help it any.
The last is an Orion.
Sorry, but i don´t think anyone can build anything out of those drawings.
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My advice if - like me - you're not a particularly gifted artists is to a) practice and b) try and draw in a way to convey an idea; i.e.if you can't capture exactly what you're aiming for (something IMO you have to be pretty gifted to do), draw something intended to evoke the same effect and stimulate you into remembering what you wanted.
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
The first drawing looks like the GTD Dild* with 2 extra balls mid-ship. And the pubic hair type lines don´t help it any.
Can we have a single thread about someone's poorly modelled or drawn consepts without someone mentioning this?
It doesn't matter if it does look like that. You don't have to say it every time you see it. It's getting very old. Very fast.
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Hmm. Well all suggestions taken. More drawings (that i have drawn already) will be posted next weekend.
Well.. im getting better, and im going to start focusing on Fighters.
Well sorry my.. 'not quite consept art' work isnt that good, but im trying, as i said. Having somewhat of a hard time drawing fighters ATM.
Il try to do more detail, and bigger drawn models, from now on.
Croping? yeah i was going to, i just watned to get these up quick.
My feedback is makeing me sad. Heh. Doin my best, learning.
Any more constructive critisizm anyone?
Edit: The Orion and Pelvia was my first attempt to draw a FS2 craft. If memory serves Image002 is alright, and 004PNG.
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Try drawing based off existing models; that should help you get a feel for the ergonomic design of them.
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Charismatic, it seems to me that you are young, but inexperienced ( judging by your art).
Now is the perfect time for you to learn how to model. I'm sure people would be willing to help you with that.
Think about it like this: If you have an idea for a book, it is useless to try and peddle it to an accomplished author. You have to learn how to write it yourself; no one will write your books for you.
Edit: Besides, you're the only one who really knows how you want the designs to look. No one else will be able to create what you are imagining.
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Thanks, Imagine. Yes, i am young and inexperianced. I will keep practicing drawing, and il keep posting them here, if you all dont mind to check em out, and give constructive cirtism (see Imagines post :P).
Well i can discribe what each part should b like, more, and i will as i said, transalite the unreadable text sometime. Hehe.
Edit: What is a good proggy (free) to start a moding carear on, and who is willing to teach my humble soul?
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Sorry dude... I just dont understand.
Now I cry. :(
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First of all, sorry for labeling you young and inexperienced.
I'm experienced with Truespace, and it's free, so that's what I would recommend. Try this link to get it:
http://forms.caligari.com/forms/ts3all_free.html
Modeling some ship requires you to have figured out the geometry beforehand. Accurately drafting your model on paper is a great way to start. Feel free to email me if you need help.
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Shouldn't this be in the Art forum? :p
Keep practicing is my advice. :)
Oh and, please resize and crop the images. We only need to see the sketches, not the whole scanner bay. :p Btw png, ick! Use jpg dude.
png are for spammers like Raa and other senile HLP members... :p
*hides from projectiles*
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Originally posted by Grug
png are for spammers like Raa and other senile HLP members... :
Hey! I may be senile but so there I was, sitting in my mrym with 26 kills.
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lols. :p
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*clicks the first link that works* .......*bursts out laughing*
I'm sorry, but that's too funny... http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,22680.msg663012.html#msg663012
Maybe you should post them here... oh man.. *wipes tears from eyes*
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Ghost, what part of "Constructive critisizm" dont u understand? Hell you ****ing try to draw a fs2 model for the first time. What a insult.
@Imagine--its ok, i was fessin up, hehe. I have herd that TS is very complex and hard to understand, is this false?
Geometry? Yeah iv been through that last year, almsost failed but, i got it.. most of time, i guess. Hehe.
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I have, actually... it's in the forum I just posted. Orion vs. Lucy.
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Originally posted by Charismatic
Ghost, what part of "Constructive critisizm" dont u understand? Hell you ****ing try to draw a fs2 model for the first time. What a insult.
@Imagine--its ok, i was fessin up, hehe. I have herd that TS is very complex and hard to understand, is this false?
Geometry? Yeah iv been through that last year, almsost failed but, i got it.. most of time, i guess. Hehe.
I presume you mean mathematical geometry; what he means is the model geometry, i.e. the way in which it is structured (in terms of points, lines, faces, etc).
The point of concept art is to provide a blueprint towards that; obviously, it's imperfect (you may need to deviate), but it's by far the best guide you can have.
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Charismatic, sometimes people say something that isn't exactly what you'd like to hear, but in all honesty Ghost is being more open about this than about anyone. How you expected anything close to a model not on par with the GTD Cube™ out of those drawings is a little beyond me. Of course, if you were hoping that someone would add the necessary detail and let you claim the design as your own, that's just not reasonable. Sometimes the only crit we can give is "practice more."
Anyway, TS can be easy if you can figure out its complex interface, and there was a major improvement in the overall program between v4 and v5. Unfortunately I can't even select multiple faces in TS3.2, much less have it render anything in real-time efficiently, so my opinion of the free version is quite bad. Not to mention that the Truespace interface is completely different from any other modeling program out there and can cause you real headaches if you ever change over to something else.
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Oh yeah, and Charismatic:
but my drawing skills i dont think are too good
Why is it that you're *****ing at me again?
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I wont comment back to save this topic.
Yes il keep practincing more, and if anyone has done concept art which is very detailed, id like to see and maby ask a few questions on how to draw certian objects.
I have a hard tiem with Fighter huds, in different positins, the circular 3D aspect. Any advice?
Yes i know about pioints, faces, and lines ect. Edges. Hmm.
Il work on concept art sometime.
Keep in mind, the FS2 C>A> was by trained paid professionals. Hehe.
Edit: Ok if finished another 'detailed' one, and when i have time il post it this weekend. I wont even care to show the first version of it. I scanned it yesterday, its finished except no turrets are added. Il add some sometime to the acutall picture and hope it turns out good. Il start on another one soon. (Another detailed one)
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IMO, the best program to start 3d modeling is Blender 3d:
www.blender3d.org
It is very intuitive, has a very easy to use interface, and despite what most people think can make almost anything for a game in terms of mesh modeling. Search for my threads in the modding forum, and you can see the power of Blender.
Oh, and its free :D
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C'mon guys - he's still learning. Give the n00b some time. Here are my two-cents:
1. Stop drawing and start modeling. Trial and error helps a lot! Seriously speaking, it took me a good month to learn how to model. Start taking apart Volition's models and completed models by other people to learn how the heirarchy works. Then you can start making your own model.
2. To draw well, please consider taking an art class. Those drawings - forgive the criticism - look extremely unprofessional. And to be honest, I was like that before I took an art course.
3. It's always good for any n00b to snoop around the forum and see what other people are doing. Take the time to read old posts. Take the time to learn. Don't just push your ideas to other people. A lot of people get really irritated when dealing with new members, so just sit back and let your patience take over.
4. And most importantly, don't try to run before you learn how to walk. You'll fall!
Cheers,
Rampage
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Thanks alot rampage. Ok, so, tomorrow i may swing by ma's house and upload that picture, w\o turrets. But IMHO it looks better then the ones i have shown you sofar, so this wont be laughed at as much, hehe. Il redu the rest of my drawings as i will show u this one, detailed, if i can.
As i said, drawing circular cylinders is very hard for me, as well as fighters and huds. If u guys have suggestions of how to draw these, or examles.. it would be appreaciated.
Edit: I do have Blender, but i find it hard, but havent put alot of time into it. I recently got a job and im starting tomorrow..
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If you can't draw perspective (god knows I can't...), then draw multiple profiles; front, side, top, etc.
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Drawing Perspective is not so hard, if you keep it simple...
Draw an horizontal line on the paper (the Horizon line...), then choose a point on that line. All the parallel lines of the side of the model originate from that point...
I dunno if I made myself clear, it's a bit hard to explain, and I don't have a drawing right now to show you...
As for Blender, it isn't hard, its the simplest 3d package you will ever see... use circles, extrude (E), merge vertices (LALT+M), make faces (F) and move stuff around (G) and you can create nice things.
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Originally posted by Raven2001
Drawing Perspective is not so hard, if you keep it simple...
Problem is I (and I'd imgaine a few others) don't keep it simple.... in all honesty, I think it's often down to how you picture stuff; I've pretty much conditioned myself to imagine or remember ideas in planar view.
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When I said keep it simple, I wasn't talking about the ship itself, but the kind of perspective... there are various, but the one I described is the simplest one, but can get very good results... it is just a matter of a bit of training
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Here is one you havent seen, detailed to a degree. http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/Ephili/images/img005.jpg
Is this more or less closer to Concept Art, or do i need more detail?
Comments, feedback, Constructive cirticizm anyone?
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First of all, please rotate and scale your images in the future so that we can see them completely when we open them. Scrolling up and down can make it hard to see what's going on. That said, let me get on to the design:
It's... square... and, yeah. Square.
It does show vast improvement from the earlier ones, but it's still trivially simple. Usually the detail either indicates an actual geometry feature or something special in the texturing beyond tiling. Give me like 10 minutes and I'll show you just how simple it is.
EDIT: I can't believe I actually did this.
(http://www.duke.edu/~cek6/cube_mk2_1.jpg)
(http://www.duke.edu/~cek6/cube_mk2_2.jpg)
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1- Thanks for Moding it. As said, i will improve it as time goes on.
2- Hehe, simple yes. Over time il improve them and add more stuff on to make it more complex.
3- So is it a good start? Hehe..
I do appreciate u doing that for me. Heh. i dont hvae time this weekend to get the other ones up (the.. badly drawn ones. IE: 3x5 notecard ones), so maby next weekend. Sorrry guys.
Edit: Seeing it MODed like this helps me to visualize it, so maby with these simple mods of the orgiional drawings, i can think up some more.. geometry to them.
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- Oh that's never leaving my hard drive. It's not properly modeled, for one thing (anyone care to guess how many primitives are plopped on top of one another there? :p) and it's most certainly not a design interesting enough to ever make it into game.
- It needs more than greebles. It needs shape, something to make it interesting other than "I made this".
- My point is, unfortunately, that it still is not good enough for anyone to bother with. I've done better concept art in a square inch in the margins of my notes than you've managed to accomplish in an entire sheet of paper. Rather than try to improve on these concepts, start from scratch, and keep starting from scratch until you get a design that makes you stop and think "now that's cool" and then refine it. Nothing you'll see as published concept art is a first draft, it always goes through multiple revisions before it's ready to even get shown to the modeling crew, and that definitely applies here as much as it has anywhere.
Oh, and for the record, this was my first attempt at modeling:
(http://www.duke.edu/~cek6/firstship.jpg)
Get blender, play around with it, and try to recreate a :v: ship. Then, once you're comfortable with complex designs, move on to your own style.
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Heh. O-kay. Il do my own revisions before i show. --tho i was wanting to post the rest of what i had. Oh well.
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Once again: Try Milkshape 3D to learn how to model. It's very simple to learn, imho.
And don't worry, just try it out :) My models were horrendous at first. Basically I just made a sphere and pulled the vertices out until they vaugly formed a spaceship :)
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We're all ****e when we start out, really.