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Off-Topic Discussion => Arts & Talents => Topic started by: Pyro MX on April 24, 2005, 11:20:54 am
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I done this last night at 12:30 :o . My second try drawing a female body. (Nope I won't show you the first one).
(http://img57.echo.cx/img57/4653/elise5at.jpg)
Am-I going better on my sketches?
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Yay, another Canuck! :D
You need to work on proportioning, I think. Then again, we all have our different styles—I mean, I'm more anime motivated in terms of body parts. On the facial features, make sure you leave enough space between the eyes, nose and mouth, because the mouth and nose look a little far and the eyes too close the fore head.
Another thing, the hair seems to cut off the skull. Make sure you get a rough outline for the entire skull, then draw the hair over top. Took me a while to understand that.
And even so, still this girl at school keeps tearing apart my drawings with criticism. :mad2:
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Aha, here's an example of what I mean!
Yeah, it's a little weird since it was done all on the PC.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/durisnonfrangor/JewelWoman.bmp)
:)
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Looking good. :)
I probably would agree with Marauder's advice with proportioning the head correctly though.
I might add that the hair seems like it needs some more work too. If your going for a spikey / messed up look try adding in each strand to get the details in.
The rest of the body is pretty well done, though maybe fatten up her bum a bit. Just keep it curvy.
Nice work. Keep at it! :D
Not bad either Marauder! ;)
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Coddling is bad.
I may sound kinda mean, but I think it looks horrible. You can do better.
Now, it looks like you're going for a slightly Anime-ish style (if the eyes are anything to go by).
The Head in particular seems to be where you need the most help (the rest is good for a start). First, her neck is far to short and wid, and her shoulders a bit too rigid. Try increasing it's length little by little in later sketches till it looks right to you.
You've also put too much space between the eyes and mouth, and the nose is a bit too large. Apart from making her look bean-headed, this has the side-effect of making it look like she has no forhead. The eyes should be lower down the face (Think: A hair above the middle. Just a hair.) The mouth could be a bit closer to the nose as well, while shrinking the chin.
The hair...Well, I can't comment on the hair atm, because I can't pinpoint exactly whats wrong with it at the moment.
The legs are bent a bit unnaturally, as theirs nothing really there to indicate its bending forward. This kinda gives an effect like it's been broken.
As for the Wings...well, if they were meant to be Bird/Feathered Wings, you messed up. I know this may sound boring to do, but try showing the individual feathers. It'll really help. Also, the feathers shouldn't be quite that pointy. It's got way to many sharp edges, whereas Bird wings look better with a slightly more smooth and curvy approach (here, I'm talking about the Wing Joint).
The Gun is a completely different issue, so I won't go into that.
So, all in all, what Marauder said.:)
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I think the legs are okay angle wise. The bum just needs to stick out a bit more. So as to gain that sex appeal look. If you pursed the lips, made the face looking more forwards rather than the egypt style so we can see both eyes, you could maker her winking also. Make on of those hot babe portraits kind of thing.
But I'm just rambling...
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I disagree. There are no tones or lines to indicate it's bending forward. Which is a problem.
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For the head yup I agree with you it needs a lot of work. For the wings, since it's a quick sketch and that at 12:30pm I usually don't think about drawing all the details, maybe it's because of that that they don't look very feathered. tho I almost always draw them like this for the shape. I redrew the head I dunno how many times lol so when I finally got something from my pencil I decided not to erase it again. But in my next sketches I will try making it better. The legs are bending forward btw.
I knew I would be better staying on drawing cars and ships...
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But Drawing toon people is more fun. :)
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if you read through and follow this, your heads will look a whole lot better: http://www.artyfactory.com/portraits/drawing_techniques/proportions1.htm
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personally, I found www.bakaneko.com to be rather informative. Thats where I learned the basics for Anime-styled heads.
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better to click on mine instead. Jetmech, please just do me a favor and remove your link. the last think i can tolerate right now is Pyro turning into another anime artist.
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lol Carl.
The legs. Ah k. I thought she was in a 'really gotta pee' stance, but the sexy version.
As for the heads, its just a matter of planning out what your going to draw. Take the time to do light primitive shapes and lines to determine where to draw the features of the face.
Too bad you arn't drawing fox people, otherwise Turnsky could of offered a hand no doubt. ;)
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Originally posted by Carl
better to click on mine instead. Jetmech, please just do me a favor and remove your link. the last think i can tolerate right now is Pyro turning into another anime artist.
Will. Never. Happen. :p
Besides, the techniques displayed in that link can be adapted to most styles. It's good for the basics, I said. If you don't want to do anime, fine. Not like it matters :D
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Okay before we draw the guns and start shooting ourselves lol, I am not drawing animes. My "style" if we can call it like that is slighlty based on it tho. But I don't plan drawing animes! I'm drawing a couple of sketches now... I'll show you later.
Both tutorials are very helpful for me! :nod:
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Http://www.polykarbon.com
i think the important thing to learn is structuring your characters properly, drawing things freehand first off without any framework, bad idea.. trust me, i speak from experience
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I spent an hour reading through that website tutorials that you posted the link for Turnsky. Some very good tutorials and general tips in there. Some of it has the anime style, but most can still be applied to conventional sketching as well.
Good find! :)
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I'm reading trough the tutorials now... trying to assimilate as much as I can. But I want to discover parts of it by myself. But they sure help a lot! Right now I'm short on time so I draw at school. It's like: Drawing, listening, drawing, listening. Pretty hard to concentrate on the class and my sketches at the same time! But I should make it. As soon I finish something, good or bad, I'll show it up.
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while leaning towards anime a tad, it's proven to be invaluable to me, as its teachings were the basis of my work. so i swear by it.
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I've got to agree with Turnsky. Just use framework for a while. I did, and over time, framework sort of...faded out.
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I'm trying to do frameworks before drawing the flesh and all... still incofortable with it but I find this technique very useful. I'll be ok drawing with it if I practice with it!
Pictures comin up soon...
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drawing skeletons always helps. normally i wouldn't say this, but i recommend copying things, photographs, other people's works that you really like, to learn technique. if you're sitting in class, try to draw the teacher or other students, whatever gets you seeing the shapes.
that's how i learnt/am learning. lots and lots of copying.
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Hey drawing the teacher how a good idea! I never thought of it before! I'll try that! Oh I already copyed a photography on pastel, but the big sheet doesn't fit in the scanner lol!
I done a couple of sketches.
(http://img202.echo.cx/img202/6100/angelhybrid9qz.jpg)
Some kind of animal that I did not find the name.
(http://img202.echo.cx/img202/1505/elise25bi.jpg)
Kind of "remix" from the first "Elise" sketch. I didn't really like it tho...
(http://img202.echo.cx/img202/8716/dragonandgirl3as.jpg)
This one I done it at school with a HB pencil, hard to erase so you see where I erased lol!
That's it for now!
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I like the bottom one!
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the eyes are still too high on the head. make them half way up.
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Here... got some pics ready! Most of them are drawn at school again! Many of them are drawn on the back of an old exam sheet. :lol: There:
(http://img101.echo.cx/img101/1728/movementexe6hd.jpg)
A little movement exercise... with the framework method
(http://img101.echo.cx/img101/3671/girlandpool6fv.jpg)
Framework method used there too. Needed to lower the eyes again, but with the crappy eraser I had for this one, (see all the dark spots), it was better to let them there.
(http://img101.echo.cx/img101/296/battle5je.jpg)
Another movement sketch. Used with the framework method too (I think I start to like it :p
(http://img101.echo.cx/img101/8372/angelwithagun6ik.jpg)
Yet another "angel"
Progressing slowly! But I don't give up!
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Ok:
1st Pic- You're falling into the Pyramid Nose trap. The nose should not be that kind of triangle, instead the bottom should be more flat (Not completely flat, mind, just not diagonal like that). You killed the forehead, too. The wings are looking much better, but you might need a little work blending some of the lines between the feathers and the "arm." So far, everthing else seems to be progressing well with this one.
2nd pic- Face, again. The mouth should be a tad closer to the Nose, and the nose ever so slightly less triangular. The bent leg is connected to her body in the wrong area, as well (hope you don't mind, but I edited your pic a bit to help demonstrate. If you want this gone, just say it):
(http://www.hostedimage.com/usr/1576/s_Pic.JPG)
Red is your current position. Green is a more accurate position.
Note: The right foot should actually be about even with the Left knee. I was a bit to lazy to edit it fix my mistake there :doubt:
...I'll shut up, now.
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as you can see, simply putting the eye half way up the head drastically improves the face.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Carltheshivan/4405e161.jpg)
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Nice tips there Jetmech! No need to shut up!
Hey no comments about the last 2 pics... does this means they are something good? :eek:
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3rd Pic: Not sure how to critique this one. The bodies seem bent in slightly unnatural ways, and the shape of the feet could use some better proportions and shape.
4th Pic: Head= MUCH better than most of the Side-views.
Body= Could use some work. In relation to the Head, the Body is way, way too small. The position of the feet might need some work too, I.E. shift them around a little. They're both pointing forward while the rest of his body is facing slightly to the left, and it looks a little off.
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4th pic is the best so far.
what i would recommend is forget toons and anime style for the moment. work on real people, photo copying. once you can get a rough good _accurate_ sketch of real people, you can mutate it into any toon style you want because cartoons are based on real proportions.
lots and lots of photocopying work. by hand. don't get creative or inventive, just copy things- that's much better for your technique than trying to be imaginative and screwing up the proportions and all. it may not be interesting but it sure as hell helps
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You've come along very nicely Pyro. :)
I'd agree with what icespeed said.
4th pic is much better, especially the face. Your wings have also improved. :yes:
Just drawing RL scenes can be a great way to practice the minor techniques that get lost in a large imaginative drawing. Just sketching out the corner of a room, or a sleeping dog or cat can teach you how to add the subtle shadows and details.
Good work, keep at it! :D
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'Had to get a new eraser (lost the other one) and clean up my desk 2 days ago... too much eraser debris on it lol!
I did this before goin' copying some work... I did the head a bit too big unfortunately.
(http://img34.echo.cx/img34/3331/elisefinal9zk.jpg)
Guess who it is... it's me actually. The photo I had was pretty dark and only contained the fae so the only thing "true" in this pic is my face. Did the left hand too small too.
(http://img202.echo.cx/img202/6866/copyofme7so.jpg)
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Right, this is not meant to be discouraging, but on the most part, I think you can judge for yourself how good something is; you don't need to post _everything_ you draw up here. I'm hoping you're not. Bring us the best samples and we'll tell you where you're going wrong.
It's like music practice. If you've ever learnt any musical instrument, you'll know that you don't get your friends around to listen to your every practice; you practice at home, locked in your room or whatever, until you get something good. _Then_ is the time to showcase it to your friends. Similarly with your art stuff. Seriously 80% of the stuff I produce I would be ashamed to show you guys (not that that's why I draw, I draw because I like it). So I don't, I go back to the drawing board (literally) and try something else.
So... go practice, in your own time, and bring us the good stuff. This is not, i repeat _NOT_, meant to be discouraging you, and it's not that we don't want to see your stuff. It's just that we don't want to see every single thing you turn out.
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Oh if I showed you everything you would see much more lol! No I understand what you say.
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(http://img184.echo.cx/img184/3307/btleliseflight5qt.jpg)
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Faces are always a pain to draw.
The last one is better. Just keep trying, you'll get in the end.;)
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At least I'll make it someday :nervous: !
There's another one... tryed a different shape for the head other stuff to make him look evil. :devil:
(http://img193.echo.cx/img193/4720/evil14zn.jpg)
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the head is way too tall.
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the chick's not bad. her thumb looks like a finger. work on your foreshortening.
i don't think the guy's head is so much too long as too skinny sideways-wise.
don't overuse the shading, otherwise not too bad.
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I know it's not at sketch but...
I was just toying with GIMP, trying new techniques and stuff and came up with this. No details, almost no effects. I just let it black red and white.
(http://img139.echo.cx/img139/3797/blackguyupl7gp.jpg)
Btw a friend gave me a book about draeing human bodies so it should help me. Also with the tutorials you gave me I think there has been some improvement in my sketches. Well I hope there are improvements :nervous: