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Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Stealth on April 24, 2005, 05:05:50 pm
PROVIDENCE -- A police detective was shot to death with his own service weapon at department headquarters early Sunday while he was questioning a potential suspect in a stabbing, the police chief said.

James Allen, a 27-year veteran, was shot in a detective conference room while questioning Estenban Carpio, Chief Dean Esserman said.

Police believe Carpio, 26, who was not handcuffed, got hold of the officer's gun, shot Allen, broke a third floor window in an adjacent office and jumped onto a service road, Esserman said at a news conference. Carpio was captured after a struggle a few blocks away.

Allen had been questioning Carpio about his possible connection to a stabbing attack Saturday on an 84-year-old woman, Esserman said. Carpio was not under arrest and had been taken out of handcuffs, he said. The woman was expected to recover.

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Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Taristin on April 24, 2005, 05:07:40 pm
Yeah, supposedly the cops beat the living piss out of him for that. His face looks fake.
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: WMCoolmon on April 24, 2005, 05:12:46 pm
Holy crap...
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Grug on April 24, 2005, 05:29:24 pm
Is that a bloke or a woman in the background. :wtf:

*shudders*
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Stealth on April 24, 2005, 05:32:11 pm
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Originally posted by Raa
Yeah, supposedly the cops beat the living piss out of him for that. His face looks fake.


i'm assuming it looks fake because they had to graft his skin back together...
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Taristin on April 24, 2005, 05:33:09 pm
I'm still torn about this. I feel bad for the guy. I mean, look at him. It makes me cringe to see that.  But I don't like what he did, either.


Although... why was the cop armed in an interrogation room? :wtf:
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Flipside on April 24, 2005, 06:07:26 pm
Ironically enough, it was probably procedure for interviewing uncuffed prisoners.

As for the having the living **** kicked out of him. Though I'm in two minds about it all, he's still breathing (atm) the copper is not so he's still ahead in the game. Personally, I have no mercy for murderers, but I do have a feeling that Police shouldn't display the kind of behaviour they were created to suppress....
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Rictor on April 24, 2005, 06:22:26 pm
Why is he wearing a Hannibal face-mask? Are they afraid he's going to eat someone's liver with a nice chiante?
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: MatthewPapa on April 24, 2005, 06:38:59 pm
If you saw ur buddy shot by a bum like that you would most likely do the same thing. Hell, I would have probably killed the guy.
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: BlackDove on April 24, 2005, 06:46:56 pm
Welcome to 101 - Wrong things with the people in this world.
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: aldo_14 on April 24, 2005, 07:11:36 pm
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Originally posted by Flipside
Ironically enough, it was probably procedure for interviewing uncuffed prisoners.

As for the having the living **** kicked out of him. Though I'm in two minds about it all, he's still breathing (atm) the copper is not so he's still ahead in the game. Personally, I have no mercy for murderers, but I do have a feeling that Police shouldn't display the kind of behaviour they were created to suppress....


The way I see it is that police have a duty to observe the law regardless of provocation....yes, it's a reprehensible act the guy did, but I don't believe one crime can solve the problems of the first.   I mean, if someone killed a friend or relative or mine, I'd want to kill them; but at the same time I wouldn't be able to stoop to that level - their level.
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Rictor on April 24, 2005, 07:21:27 pm
But the difference is, if you took revenge it would be as a private citizen, and therefore more or less understandable. Those acting on behalf of the government, especially those tasked with preventing crimes, must act from the moral high ground if they are to be taken seriously.
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Stealth on April 24, 2005, 07:24:07 pm
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Originally posted by Rictor
Why is he wearing a Hannibal face-mask? Are they afraid he's going to eat someone's liver with a nice chiante?


police say it's to stop him from spitting.

the general consensus is that his face is too messed up to show it...
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Stealth on April 24, 2005, 07:26:51 pm
the underlying "problem" here, is that if that guy shot a guy on the street, and the dead guy's friends beat the hell out of him, they'd all be in jail now.  but because it was cops that did it, they're all going to get away scot-free.
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Ford Prefect on April 24, 2005, 07:31:39 pm
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If you saw ur buddy shot by a bum like that you would most likely do the same thing. Hell, I would have probably killed the guy.

That's kinda why we have laws and regulations. We all know that we'd want to beat the hell out of him if we were in that situation, but when we condone it, society frays at the edges.
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Jeryko on April 24, 2005, 07:33:36 pm
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Originally posted by Rictor
Why is he wearing a Hannibal face-mask? Are they afraid he's going to eat someone's liver with a nice chiante?


They also say its the saliva/puss/blood oozing from his mouth.

Nice mental picture, eh?
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Nuke on April 24, 2005, 07:38:11 pm
freakycool, we need more people like him. it would greatly help reduce earth's population.
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: aldo_14 on April 25, 2005, 07:14:06 am
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Originally posted by Rictor
But the difference is, if you took revenge it would be as a private citizen, and therefore more or less understandable. Those acting on behalf of the government, especially those tasked with preventing crimes, must act from the moral high ground if they are to be taken seriously.


It's not really understandable IMO for even a private citizen; afterall, think about why would you want revenge?  Because what you want to do in revenge, is the same or close to the act which you want revenge for.   Remove the order of them, and you're both as bad as the other.
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Rictor on April 25, 2005, 08:24:21 am
Remove the order and Britain invaded France on a whim and attacked Germany withoutout provocation.

It's not that I disagree with you, at least not completely, but I think that revenge is more understandable when carried out by an individual with emotions, feelings and passions than by an organization, cold, beaurocratic and calculated. So the question then  becomes, were the cops acting as people, or as agents and representatives of the government.
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: aldo_14 on April 25, 2005, 08:32:27 am
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Originally posted by Rictor
Remove the order and Britain invaded France on a whim and attacked Germany withoutout provocation.


Not if you take the war as a single instance (in which case the 2nd instance would be Britain or France invading Germany in, say, 1955 for revenge)..

 My point is the simple one of '2 wrongs don't make a right'; i.e. you can't avenge / amend / repair a mistake with one just as bad.

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Originally posted by Rictor

It's not that I disagree with you, at least not completely, but I think that revenge is more understandable when carried out by an individual with emotions, feelings and passions than by an organization, cold, beaurocratic and calculated. So the question then  becomes, were the cops acting as people, or as agents and representatives of the government.


Well, the question is surely 'can you stop being human'?
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Swamp_Thing on April 25, 2005, 08:43:00 am
The guy looks like Rocky after the fight with Apollo. It´s a wonder he can still see at all, from behind those potatoes in his eyes....
Title: Police Officer Murdered
Post by: Stealth on April 25, 2005, 02:52:03 pm
yeah imagine what he looks like under that mask... the cops really gave it to him, no doubt about that