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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: morris13 on June 28, 2001, 01:54:00 pm: So I'm poking through the ships .tbl and i'm looking at the mentu thinking hrm... 60khp, thats a lot more than any terran cruisers have, almost as much as a lillith. However, for some bizarre reason despite its tech description which describes how the Mentu was specifically built to mount beam cannons, it doesnt. Instead of the "heavy beam cannons" the tech database describes, it only has a pair of Terran Huge Turrets. Did they have beam cannons installed in the mission files in the main campaign? this seems like a mistake to me =P
On the other hand the Mentu has REALLY CRUMMY turret placement. out of its four large turrets three are on the belly and the one on top faces backward, so none of them can actually fire directly ahead.

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: aldo_14 on June 28, 2001, 02:05:00 pm: Don't remember if it used beams really...

If you fitted beam weapons on it's belly and upgraded the reactor / jump drive, it would be ideal for Guerilla attacks. I.e. it could jump in, fly across a large ship / ships firing the 'belly beams' (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) , then jump out quickly. something I've wanted to use in amission for a while.

also, on the same subject, if you look at the info on the Colossus, they have a list of the previously intended weaponry (an extra 20-odd turrets), with a lot more AAf, etc. That would have been a hell of a ship if they'd used them in the final verison - wonder why not?

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Sandwich on June 28, 2001, 05:07:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by morris13:
Did they have beam cannons installed in the mission files in the main campaign?

Nope, they didn't. It's easy to check out things like this, just use TextPad ("http://www.textpad.com/"). It searches through multiple files in multiple directories and shows the results in a hyperlinked page that links back to the files... it's a good proggie for finding how many such-and-such were in the campaign, where and when, etc etc etc...

EDIT: URL mistake...

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: morris13 on June 28, 2001, 06:22:00 pm: Wow, the poor Mentu needs an upgrade then. =)
What do you think? SVas or Vslash?
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Shrike on June 28, 2001, 06:28:00 pm: I made a special beam for it, so it's not overpoweringly overgunned for a cruiser.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Sandwich on June 28, 2001, 08:22:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by morris13:
Wow, the poor Mentu needs an upgrade then. =)
What do you think? SVas or Vslash?

SVas, definetly. But then again I hate slashers... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 28, 2001, 08:26:00 pm: I like slashers... well... most of them... not the ones on the Coll...
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: phreak on June 28, 2001, 10:08:00 pm: Terran slashers are very underpowered compared to the Vasudan ones.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: morris13 on June 29, 2001, 11:09:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by PhReAk:
Terran slashers are very underpowered compared to the Vasudan ones.

Heh. more about slash beams here: http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/Forum2/HTML/000387.html ("http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/Forum2/HTML/000387.html")
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 29, 2001, 11:58:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by PhReAk:
Terran slashers are very underpowered compared to the Vasudan ones.

That's true with most things, not only weapons... The vasudans have superior ships, but have fewer of them... (note, mentu, and aten do not count)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: aldo_14 on June 29, 2001, 12:08:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Snipes:
That's true with most things, not only weapons... The vasudans have superior ships, but have fewer of them... (note, mentu, and aten do not count)

Shame that almost all of their fighters are Great War relics and totally useless (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: GrandAdmiralAbaht on June 29, 2001, 12:29:00 pm: Tauret anyone?

for the Mentu: I change turrets 6 and 7 into SVas, and 14, 15, and 16 into standard flak.
This makes the cruiser much more powerful in my opinion.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 29, 2001, 01:00:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14:

Shame that almost all of their fighters are Great War relics and totally useless (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)

(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif)

Watch what you say! Blasphomer(sp?)!! The Seth, and Horus are excellent fighters. I prefer them to the newer ones... And the Osiris only needs turret upgrades. Give it AAAf or Flak, and it is a worthy opponent to any enemy.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: aldo_14 on June 29, 2001, 01:19:00 pm: Don't make me come over there Snipes!! (j/k)

Sure they have great maneuverability, but where's the armour? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/hammer.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 29, 2001, 01:29:00 pm: If you are a good pilot, you don't need heavy heavy armor. The Seth is my ship of choice. Always has been, Always will be. Wheres the armour on the Serapis? It sux... I can kill them in 3 shots of a mekhu.

so (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/hammer.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: aldo_14 on June 29, 2001, 02:05:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Snipes:
If you are a good pilot, you don't need heavy heavy armor. The Seth is my ship of choice. Always has been, Always will be. Wheres the armour on the Serapis? It sux... I can kill them in 3 shots of a mekhu.

so (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/hammer.gif)

Yeah, but I'm a (censored) pilot and prefer Terran fighters anyway. So (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/ninja.gif) that (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif).

i liked the Vasudan ships maneuverability on the easy levels, but the Shivans are pretty useless on those.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 29, 2001, 03:00:00 pm: haha! I prefer Vasudan. Everything Vasudan...

You know... Vasudans Are Superior...

When is Steak gonna make a Vasudan Pride render? If he does, then I will change my wallpaper from that l4m3 shivan attack one
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Nico on June 29, 2001, 03:06:00 pm: I'm a crappy pilot, so for me, vasudan ships aren't the best. I loved my herc1 (then tried PXO and discovered that the herc was doomed, there). then I tried the seth. Yeah true, it's better for mplayer. But I'm just too bad (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
I prefer to make ships than fly them lol (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: GrandAdmiralAbaht on June 29, 2001, 04:01:00 pm: What are you talking about. The Vasudans don't suk (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/mad.gif). The Herc 2 is crap compared to the Tauret! The Vasudan beams chare quicklier and are more powerful than the Terran ones. The Vasudans are the supreme rulers in fighters :hammer (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)escept for the Horus)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: phreak on June 29, 2001, 04:17:00 pm: Except the Terran Mara r00lz you all
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Sandwich on June 30, 2001, 06:41:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by GrandAdmiralAbaht:
(escept for the Horus)

Whaddya mean? The Horus is the Terror of the Empty Spaces between the Stars! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

Personally, my fighter preference is not divided between Terran and Vasudan. It's a division of where the primary hardpoints are located. For example, Chasing a Herc 1 in a Tauret; the primary weapon fire is so spread out to port and starboard on that fighter that unless I perfectly align my ship to have the same "up" as the Herc, even when I hit, it's only with half of my lasers. On the Erinyes, however, the primaries are bunched close together and usually can all hit the target at once. IMHO that is also why the Erinyes is such a powerful fighter - it can make effective use of it's 8 primaries at once. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Setekh on June 30, 2001, 07:12:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by morris13:
Instead of the "heavy beam cannons" the tech database describes, it only has a pair of Terran Huge Turrets.

The tech database is bollocks. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) It's been discussed a few times, but the Mjolnir RBC is said to have missile banks 'able to tackle multiple bogies concurrently' - or something like that. And it has nothing like that, making the things sitting ducks against fighter/bomber wings - however, that's where the GTSG Dante comes in. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: morris13 on June 30, 2001, 11:24:00 am: Bombers hell. mjolnirs are sitting ducks against LOKIS.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 30, 2001, 11:40:00 am: What did I say about Lokis?!

Do not underestimate a Loki. In the hands of a skilled pilot, the Loki is very deadly.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: morris13 on June 30, 2001, 11:58:00 am: Maybe so, but any pilot who can be deadly in a Loki can be more deadly in something with MORE FREAKING GUNS! =P
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Sandwich on June 30, 2001, 05:00:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by morris13:
Maybe so, but any pilot who can be deadly in a Loki can be more deadly in something with MORE FREAKING GUNS! =P

NOOOOoooooo......!!! Morris, what have you done?!? Now Snipes has the perfect oppourtunity to talk endlessly about his "modified Loki that works in multiplayer with 40 hardpoints"!!! AHHHhhhhh!!!! Run for your lives!!!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: DragonClaw on June 30, 2001, 07:00:00 pm: Who wants to duel on PXO, I'll show anyone that the Herc2 ownz all...

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 30, 2001, 07:12:00 pm: Herc II Sux... I'll kill you in my Loki!
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Shrike on June 30, 2001, 07:13:00 pm: Ok, this belongs in HL, that's for sure.....
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 30, 2001, 07:18:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by sandwich:
NOOOOoooooo......!!! Morris, what have you done?!? Now Snipes has the perfect oppourtunity to talk endlessly about his "modified Loki that works in multiplayer with 40 hardpoints"!!! AHHHhhhhh!!!! Run for your lives!!!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

Hey... I don't have that anymore... I lost it in the great crash of 2001...

But it was easy to make (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) C'mon DC... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 30, 2001, 07:19:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by morris13:
Maybe so, but any pilot who can be deadly in a Loki can be more deadly in something with MORE FREAKING GUNS! =P

You ask, so you shall receive (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Alikchi on June 30, 2001, 07:52:00 pm: GVF Seth r0x0rs j00 b0x0rs. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 30, 2001, 08:02:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Alikchi:
GVF Seth r0x0rs j00 b0x0rs. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

Smart guy! He is right you know... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Alikchi on June 30, 2001, 08:07:00 pm: *bows*
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 30, 2001, 08:09:00 pm: Now, all you need is 700 more posts (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Alikchi on June 30, 2001, 08:50:00 pm: You are my God Snipes (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

Only 690 to go.

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on June 30, 2001, 08:58:00 pm: "He's my special little guy" (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: morris13 on June 30, 2001, 09:48:00 pm: Why'd this thread get moved here?
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Shrike on June 30, 2001, 10:15:00 pm: *looks at the 10-15 post above*
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Alikchi on June 30, 2001, 10:54:00 pm: The topic degenerated into a "this ship sucks/kicks *** " thread.

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Post by: Setekh on July 01, 2001, 12:19:00 am: And he's smart, too. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: GrandAdmiralAbaht on July 02, 2001, 01:08:00 pm: We all knoe that the GVF Tauret can kick the @$$ of any Terran fighter( including the Lokis).

There is only one Terran fighter that rocks and that is the Ares.

P.S. The Ares does not handle like a POTATOE
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Sandwich on July 02, 2001, 01:51:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by GrandAdmiralAbaht:
We all knoe that the GVF Tauret can kick the @$$ of any Terran fighter( including the Lokis).

There is only one Terran fighter that rocks and that is the Ares.

P.S. The Ares does not handle like a POTATOE

Are you sane? I only ask because sometimes insane people have crossed eyes, and that might explain why you think that the Tauret rulez, since half it's shots miss any target the size of a fighter/bomber or smaller...

The Erinyes "rocks" far more than the Potato. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

Potato, potato, potato! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

But anyways, that all is simply my opinion and does not by any means prevent you from preferring a certain ship over another. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on July 02, 2001, 02:21:00 pm: Hey! I can kill your puny potato in my loki without any missiles. and without my 36 extra gunpoints... The ares may be cool, and powerful, but it is a potato, and it gets mashed like one...
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: morris13 on July 02, 2001, 03:42:00 pm: So explain to my why everyone gives the Myrmidon such a bad rap. It's got the highest combination of guns and speed you can get, its gunpoints are close together, and it has just as many hp as a herc does. I'd take a myrmidon against an Ares or an Erinyes any day, IMHO the added agility and speed more than make up for the Erinyes extra guns or the Ares armor.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Jabu on July 02, 2001, 03:52:00 pm: Personally, I love the Myrmidon (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Nico on July 02, 2001, 04:13:00 pm: open the myrmidon pof in model view and count the secondary points... you'll be amazed. If we could make all of them fire at the smae time, damn!
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Snipes on July 02, 2001, 04:27:00 pm: And it carries helioses (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

I love that ship (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Sandwich on July 02, 2001, 05:25:00 pm: I agree - the Myrm is quite good. I'd have to give it a tie with the Perseus, cause I love my maneuverability, but it's hard to beat a 6-hardpoint, high-compatability, Helios-carrying, fighter that has the looks to boot! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

But the Erinyes is still my favorite.

So to get back on topic, what do you all think should be done to the Mentu? I think we all agree that it needs heavy beams, but what and where? Pe3rsonally, I don't think it should be just another cruiser, so I like the idea of it having 2 beams on bottom for hit-and-run stirkes.

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Jabu on July 02, 2001, 06:11:00 pm: 2 SVas beams on the belly. Perfect for circling the enemy ship and repeatedly firing it's devastating beam weaponry with very little damage (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

I'd pit a few of them against a Ravana anyday. They can just circle it out of the firing cones of it's main beams.

And the Mentu is still my favourite ship. It's going to see some rather special action in my campaign (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: morris13 on July 02, 2001, 06:18:00 pm: Well, The mentu has four big turrets, I figure two should be heavy beams and two should be heavy flak. The number 1 turret on the rear underside of the ship actually has a slightly forward slanted turret normal, so a beam cannon in that turret will actually have exactly the same field of fire that the two front ones have. Personally, I think that it probably makes the most sense from a realistic ship design point of view to put the two beam cannons in the 1 and 2 turrets. This gives the Mentu more or less a spherical field of fire, it can hit things anywhere except along a narrow wedge (about 10 degrees) directly in front of it and along the sides. This is more in line with the normal way the GTVA builds ships.
That said, it would be a more powerful setup to put the two big guns in the front underside 15 and 16 turrets. That way the mentu can engage anything below it with both its main guns, and has all-round anti-fighter cover from the heavy flak guns. This is probably the most effective setup, as long as mission design makes sure that the mentu is always slightly 'above' its target, otherwise it'll never get to fire at all.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: phreak on July 02, 2001, 06:19:00 pm: I liked the hybrid Mentu in TS. Quality work.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Jabu on July 02, 2001, 06:21:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by morris13:
as long as mission design makes sure that the mentu is always slightly 'above' its target, otherwise it'll never get to fire at all.

Well, that's easy. And can be easily explained by a tactic the captain pretty much has to use. And it's fast and manouverable, so it has the upper hand against almost anything.

I love that ship.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Bobboau on July 02, 2001, 07:40:00 pm: I made an improved vertion of the Mentu
I think it's on my AOL FTP but as I'm finaly dumping AOL it won't be for long

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Bobboau on July 02, 2001, 07:56:00 pm: it's probly named Ammet BTW

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Jabu on July 02, 2001, 08:09:00 pm: Yeah, I've got it. Pretty damn cool, too.

Shivan skin, 2 VSlash, 1 SVas (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Jabu on July 02, 2001, 08:11:00 pm: Oh yeah, I modified the Mentu to have 2 SVas (Turrets 15 and 16)and 1 Heavy Flak (Turret 01) turrets on the underside rotating turrets.

I also gave the Aten a SVas on the underside rotating turret (Turret02a). Makes the ship quite useful, actually (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: phreak on July 02, 2001, 08:14:00 pm: I thought the Aten was good for kamakazie attacks only.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Jabu on July 02, 2001, 08:21:00 pm: I'm also upping the speed a bit. To make it slightly faster than the Mentu. That means VERY fast, for a cruiser (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

It's good in swarms, or as a weakener. Jumps in, fires a few volleys from it's primary beam, jumps out before being destroyed. Then the bigger ships come in and finish off the enemy. A good tactic to be used against destroyers when you have nothing larger than a corvette on your side.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Akira on July 03, 2001, 08:35:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by GrandAdmiralAbaht:
What are you talking about. The Vasudans don't suk (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/mad.gif). The Herc 2 is crap compared to the Tauret! The Vasudan beams chare quicklier and are more powerful than the Terran ones. The Vasudans are the supreme rulers in fighters :hammer (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)escept for the Horus)

Vasudan beams are stronger??? umm you're wrong compare the most powerfull terran beam to the most powerfull Vasudan beam, that would be BFGreen compared to BVas and the BFGreen does a lot more damage.

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Jabu on July 03, 2001, 08:47:00 pm: Not really. The BFGreen is a Colossus-only weapon, so it's Terran/Vasudan.

You can compare the BGreen to the BVas, though. The BGreen wins slightly in power, but it has a longer fire wait.

The TerSlash totally loses against the VSlash, the VSlash doing over 2x damage.

Again, the SGreen is totally whupped by the SVas, in both fire wait and damage.

So all in all, Vasudan beams are way more powerful, with the exception of the B-classes.
Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Akira on July 04, 2001, 01:36:00 am: interresting, very interresting indeed.

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Bobboau on July 04, 2001, 12:33:00 pm: vasudan beams are about twice as powerfull as terran beams but fire half as long, as a general rule

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Title: Mentu Cruiser.
Post by: Akira on July 05, 2001, 03:50:00 pm: so they do the same amount of damage pretty much, well except for the Vslash and Terslash

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