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Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Carl on May 06, 2005, 08:08:20 pm
Ha! They were using the artillery laser from "The Cage" as mining lasers!
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Omniscaper on May 06, 2005, 10:04:44 pm
Of course in the face of cancellation, this 4rth season has been excellent with canon driven stories. LOL canon with cannons...well phaser canon. I kill myself. ROTFL.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Trivial Psychic on May 06, 2005, 11:56:26 pm
There's an interesting shot near the end.  As the flying saucer is about to land on mars (its in the lower atmosphere) you can see some groove patters on its underside, near the center of the circle.  There are alternating grooves that look like "W"'s and "O"'s, so with the perspective of the "camera", it appears to say "WOW" on the "upper end" and "MOM" on the "lower end".
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Ace on May 07, 2005, 12:54:42 am
That reporter was nice... too bad she was evil :p
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Carl on May 07, 2005, 05:04:06 am
...or not. we'll see.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: vyper on May 07, 2005, 11:48:16 am
Meh, was ok.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: IceFire on May 07, 2005, 02:45:39 pm
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Originally posted by Ace
That reporter was nice... too bad she was evil :p

Hah...agreed :)
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Mongoose on May 07, 2005, 03:56:32 pm
Another great episode.  Damn...just two left now :(
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Hunter on May 09, 2005, 05:50:15 am
Kinda slow pacing, but a fair episode. Kinda reminded me of the political driven DS9 episodes.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Sandwich on May 09, 2005, 08:39:41 am
Well, at least we now have an inkling who "future guy" is/was.

EDIT: Correction: It's not the same actor, although it is RoboCop. :D
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: vyper on May 09, 2005, 08:51:54 am
I doubt it. How would he have access to the information and technology?
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Omniscaper on May 09, 2005, 09:11:58 am
I've always thought Suval (Vulcan jerk off) was the mystery future guy. Sorta sounded like him. I'm just glad they done away with that plot. But its too little and too late for Enterprise to redeem itself as a series. Its been a great season 4.

That would have been great if Archer hailed the flying moon base, "All your base, are belong to us!"
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Ace on May 09, 2005, 05:18:59 pm
Meh I sort of assumed Archer was mystery future man. Especially due to the episode where Archer returned through the communication device, and they thought he was shadowy figure dude at first.

...and I doubt that the series finale will answer that question. Heh maybe it's Barclay on the Ent D doing the messages in his spare time :p
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: IceFire on May 09, 2005, 05:44:53 pm
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Well, at least we now have an inkling who "future guy" is/was.

EDIT: Correction: It's not the same actor, although it is RoboCop. :D

Wait....who is Future Guy?
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: SadisticSid on May 10, 2005, 06:28:43 am
The guy guiding the Suliban I think, although I didn't consider it until I read the posts here.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Hunter on May 10, 2005, 07:00:39 am
Future guy can't be anyone we know, because there just isn't enough reason and backstory behind it. Future guy needs/needed to be an entirely new character, and his reasoning should have been built up over the series. Kind of like how the story of the Shadows was built up over the B5 arc. Instead we just get your typical James Bond type bad guy; "Because I can!". Even Berman himself admitted they hadn't decided what to do about Future Guy. Doesn't give you much confidence in the foundation of the series, eh? Enterprise would have been much better if Manny Coto had been there from the start. No disrespect to Berman and Braga, because they already receive too much flak, more than they deserve considering they HAVE done/taken part some good stuff over the years, but I think Coto would have brought the right kind of ideas to the table, which would have then been developed - Much like the way Season 4 has been handled.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Sandwich on May 10, 2005, 05:32:01 pm
I only mentioned it because I could have sworn it was the same voice, but the ST site lists different actors, so go figure.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: mitac on May 10, 2005, 07:07:19 pm
There are discussions going on all over the major Trek forums on the web, concerning the final episode. I don't want to spoil anything, you all know how to google, but what I heard sounds disappointing, to say the least. :sigh:
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Omniscaper on May 10, 2005, 08:23:10 pm
Of course... all creative effort was put by Braga and Berman. I'll download it. That episode does not deserve any points on Neilson rating system.

It would be a great way for fans to give the final "bird" to B & B.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Liberator on May 10, 2005, 09:43:00 pm
Two words:

Ent D Riker and Troi...:sigh:
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 10, 2005, 10:29:19 pm
I doubt they'll do the Holodeck thing. That would just ruin the entire concept of Star Trek.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Liberator on May 10, 2005, 10:34:16 pm
Hate to break it to you, but we've already seen them being ignored by the crew...
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Post by: IceFire on May 10, 2005, 10:40:08 pm
I knew about Future Guy...but I have no inklings as to who he actually is.  I read once that he was "someone we knew" but I have no idea if that was true or ever followed through with.  I guess it never will be.

I'm a little worried about this last episode...we'll see how it pans out.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 10, 2005, 10:49:59 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
Hate to break it to you, but we've already seen them being ignored by the crew...
Really? Shows what I get for not watching after the second season.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Bobboau on May 11, 2005, 12:52:11 am
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Originally posted by Liberator
Two words:

Ent D Riker and Troi...:sigh:


it was at this point in the thread that I felt a great and terable sence of hollowness and forbodeing welling up within me. I have never fully grasped the evil that the B&B dioctorate of doom represented, honestly I liked the whole time war thing. but this... this is a horror that I canno.. I cannot fathom. how is it physicly posable for an idea to be so bad!? I turely fear that this may cause a rupture in the space time continum destroying all life in the universe, this must be made to end before it has a chance to anialate all that is good and pure. this is horable. it feels like the "last" eppisode of farscape, were it's like someone in charge was intentionaly trying to hurt the fans with just an insulting finalie.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Sandwich on May 11, 2005, 02:02:50 am
I must be missing the reference here. Are you guys hinting at the old hope (turned dread with Season 3 and then Manny Coto) that Enterprise is just a holodeck program? If so, what's that got to do with Riker and Troi? :confused:
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: mitac on May 11, 2005, 05:08:05 am
Don't read this below unless you really want to. Meh, the episode is flawed from within, so it probably won't hurt either...:rolleyes:

Spoiler:

"Six years in the future, an emotional Captain Archer and the crew return to Earth to face the decommission of Enterprise and signing of the Federation charter, ratifying the newly-formed alliance of planets they helped forge."

These events will be shown as a holodeck simulation, which is viewed by Troi and Riker on the future Enterprise-D. Plus the episode involves the loss of a major crew member.


It's probably best to consider Enterprise over with "Terra Prime".
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Post by: vyper on May 11, 2005, 10:28:58 am
Spoiler:
B&B's Egos would never have allowed that
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Ace on May 11, 2005, 06:14:53 pm
Except shouldn't the Earth-Romulan Wars occur before the founding of the Federation?

Unless the war occured during the six years after Enterprise. In that case NX class ships were the main vessels used? (if Enterprise is just now being decommissioned)
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: vyper on May 11, 2005, 06:49:53 pm
Nah even that's before the Romulan war.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Ace on May 11, 2005, 09:43:32 pm
I thought the Earth-Romulan War was before the Federation was founded?
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 11, 2005, 09:46:51 pm
Wasn't that supposed to be one of these seasons or something?
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Carl on May 11, 2005, 09:49:37 pm
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Originally posted by Ace
I thought the Earth-Romulan War was before the Federation was founded?


you are correct.
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: Knight Templar on May 12, 2005, 12:25:36 am
hey, what ever happened to future guy anyway?
Title: Enterprise: Demons
Post by: mitac on May 12, 2005, 05:34:18 am
B&B had no real plan for him from the start, it was a dead-end plot line. So Manny Coto did the best possible : he ended the temporal cold war after the first two episodes of season 4. Just stopped the plot line, thus allowing for some more "progressive" (read : better) stories to be told.

Edit : see Storm Front, Part 1&2.