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they say that fear and anger are bad because they lead to hatred. Don't they realize the importance of fear? fear is what is stopping you from going into battle without a lightsaber, and even what makes you fight back in the first place. no fear=sitting there and letting them shoot you. no anger=stress build up and high blood pressure. the Jedi contradict themselves by defending themselves.
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The first line of the Jedi Code:
There is no emotion, there is peace....
is true. A Jedi must control his emotions, which are dangerous.
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One could argue they do not defend themselves out of fear.
But I don't really give much of a rats about Star Wars anyway so diss them all you like. :)
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Theres a line between fearless and stupid ;)
Anyway :wtf:
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Screw the Jedi, all we need to remember is Darth Maul:
"Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the corrupt. Fear, fear is my ally."
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One could argue they do not defend themselves out of fear.
I think that's right. My interpretation would be that Jedi are trained to the point where their self-defense is a very analytical process. They don't think, "OMFG BBQ SUM1 IZ SHOOTING AT ME!!!!111111", but, "Well, there are guys there, there, and there, so if I deflect at that angle and jump over there I will be able to occupy those guys long enough for my partner to clear a way out of here," etc.
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Originally posted by Gai Daigoji
Screw the Jedi, all we need to remember is Darth Maul:
"Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the corrupt. Fear, fear is my ally."
When was that?
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Originally posted by Corsair
When was that?
Episode one if I remember right, got it off a quote website.
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Bah, I already knew the Jedi Philosophy was wrong.
THE DARK SIDE IS ALL :p
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The Light Side has Samuel L. Jackson. If I were a Sith, I would take on all the other Jedi just to avoid fighting that badass mother****er.
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
The Light Side has Samuel L. Jackson. If I were a Sith, I would take on all the other Jedi just to avoid fighting that badass mother****er.
Nah, he left all the badassness on his other suit, the pulp fiction suit. Here he is just a fluffy little inocent bunny.
:p
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it's not so much having fear as letting it control you (ie, crapping yer pants)
anyone been watching the Clone Wars cartoon series BTW ? It rocks.
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Nah, he left all the badassness on his other suit, the pulp fiction suit. Here he is just a fluffy little inocent bunny.
No way. The man has BMF engraved on his lightsaber. He brings a can of whoopass with him wherever he goes. If Mace Windu had been with Han, Luke, Leia and company during their adventure on the first Death Star, they would have walked out of that station with every single person on board dead. Then he would have killed Chewie just to show Han who's boss.
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@ Roanoke: I have the 2nd Season Perma-recorded (Love DVR), and I have the 1st Season on DVD. :)
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Originally posted by Gai Daigoji
Episode one if I remember right, got it off a quote website.
It definitely wasn't from the movie; I don't think he said more than five words in the entire film. :p
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I do think he did say "hargh!" toward the end.
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Yeah, but his facial expression said so much more.
(http://n00103.myspace.com/00103/49/51/103791594_m.jpg)
"I think I made a mistake."
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"Oh bollocks. My mother warned me about men like you..."
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"Oh ****, I left the oven on!"
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"Oh crap, my make-up is running..."
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Originally posted by vyper
"Oh bollocks. My mother warned me about men like you..."
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Genius.
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"I knew I should have put suncream on"
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
The Light Side has Samuel L. Jackson. If I were a Sith, I would take on all the other Jedi just to avoid fighting that badass mother****er.
You mean a Mushroom Cloud Layin' Mother F**cker, Mother F**cker!
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Originally posted by TopAce
The first line of the Jedi Code:
There is no emotion, there is peace....
is true. A Jedi must control his emotions, which are dangerous.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion...
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"Fear is my ally" wasn't actually in the first movie - it was in the Duel of the Fates music video that was released alongside the movie.
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Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power I gain victory
Through victory my chains are broken
The force shall set me free
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What's that from?
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It's the code of the sith
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from KotOR, yes?
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yep
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
No way. The man has BMF engraved on his lightsaber. He brings a can of whoopass with him wherever he goes. If Mace Windu had been with Han, Luke, Leia and company during their adventure on the first Death Star, they would have walked out of that station with every single person on board dead. Then he would have killed Chewie just to show Han who's boss.
:wtf: What the bleep are you talking about? Samuel Jackson's performance as Mace Windu may have been fairly good, but the character lost all respect I had for him the moment Lucas had him say "This party's over". Corny, corny, CORNY!
Just like all the rest of the crap to have emerged from Lucas's brain in the past 10 years. :rolleyes:
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Fear can be your greatest ally and your worst enemy.
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Oh come on Sarnie, he couldn't exactly start talking Tarantino style in Star Wars - I think he did pretty well. His entrace in that scene was cool.
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depends on the fear, there's rational fear (like the normal fears that keep us from injuring ourselves) then there's the irrational fears, meaning fearing something that you have little or no understanding of, and this can lead to hatred of what you do not understand.
such is human nature.
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Originally posted by Thrilla
You mean a Mushroom Cloud Layin' Mother F**cker, Mother F**cker!
His character name is Mace Windu, by the way.
Originally posted by redsniper
from KotOR, yes?
Both the Jedi and the Sith codes had existed before KOtoR.
Originally posted by Ford Prefect
No way. The man has BMF engraved on his lightsaber. He brings a can of whoopass with him wherever he goes. If Mace Windu had been with Han, Luke, Leia and company during their adventure on the first Death Star, they would have walked out of that station with every single person on board dead. Then he would have killed Chewie just to show Han who's boss.
Mace Windu was a more trained warrior than the EPIV Luke.
Why are you wondering this anyway? It didn't happen. It was Luke that was with them and it happened as George Lucas screenplayed it.
Originally posted by Kosh
Fear can be your greatest ally and your worst enemy.
The wisdom of the Sith, I imagine.
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The wisdom of the Sith, I imagine.
Actually I thought of that myself. I am not into Star Wars. I have no idea who or what these "Sith" are (although I am getting the impression they are bad from various posts :p).
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I'm likeing the sith more and more.
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Originally posted by Kosh
Actually I thought of that myself. I am not into Star Wars. I have no idea who or what these "Sith" are (although I am getting the impression they are bad from various posts :p).
It would be long to explain to somebody who doesn't know Star Wars. In short, the Sith use Dark Force powers and there are always two of them: A master and an apprentice. If the apprentice grows stronger, it can challenge its master to a fatal duel. If the apprentice kills the Master, he will become the Dark Lord of the Sith, in a word, the Master. After mentling the title of Dark Lord, it can train another apprentice. What's surprising is that it's acceptable by the Sith.
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Incidentally, apparently the final film...er...final as in the first 3. Er, as in the last 3 made...er.... you know what I I mean.... is actually very good.
At least according to teletext movie reviews.
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Fear.. Nothing bad in it as long as you know you're afraid.
But if you don't.. there goes your so called freedom of choice -- I have to do this, I have to do that, can't do this. This is good, that isn't.. said who, exactly?
Living in a bubble, hard to break when you don't even know it exists.
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it looks pretty action packed:yes:
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TopAce: Joking, dude. The anachronism is intended to emphasize the total badassness that is Mace Windu, AKA, Mushroom Cloud Layin' Motha F**cka.
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Pfft, the Jedi are all a bunch of wussies with their heads stuck up their asses. They couldn't even realize the galaxy was being controlled by a Sith lord, morons. Not only that, it took another Sith lord to defeat Sidious. Luke couldn't do it himself. Then again, it's not like the emperor played fair, but when does the bad guy ever play fair?
If I were a Jedi, I'd probably be like Anakin, only skip the walking iron lung phase. I'd wear it to parties though. :p My appearance would not deteriorate either. Face it, the dark side is cool. It's fun being bad. I'd probably eventually turn back to the light though, but not before wreaking havoc across the galaxy.
As for Mace's line, I think that may have been improvised. Samuel L. Jackson seems to only be able to play the bad mother****er. I know he requested that his character not "go out like a punk" in Revenge of the Sith (a recent TV Guide article spoiled who he meets his demise by). I can agree with him on that. I think his character deserves to go out blades-a-swingin'. Mace Windu looks like he can kick some major ass. Jango Fett went out like a punk: decapitated in one swoop. It's too bad Boba is too young to avenge his father's death. That would've been awesome.
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Originally posted by TopAce
What's surprising is that it's acceptable by the Sith.
The rule of the Sith is that the strongest rule. Think of them as the Republican party in space ;)
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The rule is two is inherantly weak... The Jedi are under no such restrictions and if you noticed there were hundreds in the galaxy with only two sith at any one time... This ruins my enjoyment greatly as the numeric advantage is staggering and only idiots would get defeated by two lousy people (with many of the same abilitites)... Keep in mind this mindset evolved since I became a fan in '78...
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The idea is that the Sith achieve their ends through Machiavellian manipulation. Palpatine took power by pitting factions against each other and painting himself as the hero. Then, once he was in power, he held control with brute military force. He didn't have to fight everyone personally.
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Tehre were thousands of Sith and Jedi before...
but hte Sith practicly exterminated themselves in the later periods..
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
I think that's right. My interpretation would be that Jedi are trained to the point where their self-defense is a very analytical process. They don't think, "OMFG BBQ SUM1 IZ SHOOTING AT ME!!!!111111", but, "Well, there are guys there, there, and there, so if I deflect at that angle and jump over there I will be able to occupy those guys long enough for my partner to clear a way out of here," etc.
I think their use of their martial training is motivated less by self-preservation and more protecting those that can't/wouldn't protect themselves.
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That's what they stated in KotOR. The Guardians protected the weak, the Sentinels attempted to prevent those who would oppress from doing so, and the Consulars attempted to determine why those who prey upon the weak did so.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
...Just like all the rest of the crap to have emerged from Lucas's brain in the past 10 years. :rolleyes:
Exactly.
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I heard that Anikin turns to the dark side in Episode III
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...while the chronicleors of the Jedi archives whine and moan about everyone falling to the darkside, especially when they never did, but never admit to their own failings.
*cough* Atris *cough*
Oh yeah Tin Can?
I heard that it is revealed that Darth Vader is Luke's father in Episode V!
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I heard Vader dies in Episode VI, but I don't believe it. I mean, how could they kill him?
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Cheese is liberated in ep VII
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are there any plans for doin the 3 that are after RoJ
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So long as Lucas doesn't do them, I'm game! :D
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NM
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my housemate is going to watch III on the 19th at Fox Studios in Sydney, which is apparently where it was made (i wouldn't know...) Therefore we've been having star wars nights to kinda prepare ourselves. good excuse not to study.
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I heard Lucas has got plans to make a 100 episode Star Wars TV series.
He just won't let the damned thing die will he. =/
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Originally posted by Liberator
So long as Lucas doesn't do them, I'm game! :D
Whoever does the final trilogy, it won't be Lucas. Although, he claims this is the end, there is no 3rd trilogy. It will probably be another 25 or so years before we even see any possibility. He's going to have to be dead before that happens.
Maybe the TV show will be something just to do with his "free time." I saw an interview that gave me the impression that he's tired of it. He feels like he's created a monster, and that this is beginning to become a burden on him, but that's just my interpretation. He's probably enjoyed it just as much. I do agree, it has taken over his life. I feel he needs a break from Star Wars though. I'm curious as to what else he's capable of. He's a good writer for the most part. I'm not too familiar with him as a director, but I'll bet he could do some great things that have absolutely nothing to do with Star Wars.
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In episode 3 Anakin realises the truth. There is no cheese.
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What Penny Arcade thinks about a Star Wars TV series:
(http://img.penny-arcade.com/2005/20050427l.jpg)
:lol::blah:
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Actually, I think it could rock to no end if Lucas got together with whoever is to blame for the new BSG series and had a SW TV series with similar production values.
*gets shivers* ;7
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Originally posted by Grug
I heard Lucas has got plans to make a 100 episode Star Wars TV series.
He just won't let the damned thing die will he. =/
(http://www.coloradohouse.net/images/cash_register.jpg)
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:lol: I think he's got more than enough money now.
Does anyone remember the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles? He's got some experience in television.
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Originally posted by EtherShock
I think he's got more than enough money now.
Oxymoron.
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Meh, with this up-coming TV Series, i couldn't really care less who directs, writes, or becomes mega-rich, i just hope we get some serious Wookie-ness for our troubles :doubt:
Also, i wouldn't mind seeing some more Animated stuff, Genndy Tartakovsky who directed the animated Clone Wars series came up with some damn brilliant stuff...!
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Of course he did, he's the dude that created Samurai Jack. That show was freakin' awesome. I loved it! The cinematography was just amazing for a televised animation. He stopped doing it when he got picked up for the Clone Wars. u_u But maybe it'll be back once he's done with that. Who knows?
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I propose a new chapter in the Star Wars saga called The Genocide of the Ewoks.
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No!
The Genocide of the Ewoks and Gungans!
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Hey! Ewoks rock! :p
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Even better!
The Genocide of the Ewoks and Gungans by Wookies
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I cures the day George Lucas realized that he could use Ewoks to sell products, and the day when he completely lost the remains of his insanity, the day he invented Jar-Jar Binks.
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Originally posted by EtherShock
Even better!
The Genocide of the Ewoks and Gungans by Wookies
No no no. Wookies are the galactic dumbasses. It should be The Genocide of the Ewoks and Gungans, and Enslavement of the Wookies.
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No, Enslavement of the Wookies is a subplot of Episode III, I believe.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Actually, I think it could rock to no end if Lucas got together with whoever is to blame for the new BSG series and had a SW TV series with similar production values.
"to BLAME"?
Huh, and here all this time I thought you had good taste.
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Teh w00kies are not dumbasses, their vocal arrangements just can't produce standard.
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WARNING: Uber-bumpage alert.
ANOTHER WARNING: I don't care. :p
[q]Originally posted by ZylonBane
Originally posted by Sandwich
Actually, I think it could rock to no end if Lucas got together with whoever is to blame for the new BSG series and had a SW TV series with similar production values.
"to BLAME"?
Huh, and here all this time I thought you had good taste.[/B][/q]
You don't like the new BSG?
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no, blame has a negative connotation so he thought that you didn't like the new BSG. At least that's how I see it...
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How can anyone NOT like the new BSG series? :wtf:
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I've never seen it because I don't have cable.
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I don't have cable as well, hasn't stopped me thus far. :p
The best thing since Firefly, and perhaps better.
Or perhaps not, since no-one in BSG has yet to say a line such as Mal's "My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."
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Originally posted by redsniper
no, blame has a negative connotation so he thought that you didn't like the new BSG. At least that's how I see it...
No, you see, ZB is a different sort of fruit. He's very unlikely to have missed my saying "rock to no end" in the same sentence as I said "to blame", therefore, I highly doubt he took my usage of "to blame" as anything other than the sarcastic usage it was.
Ergo, he knows I like the new BSG, and thus the only reasonable explanation for his response is either that it is sarcastic, which, in this case, would be pointless, or that he doesn't like the new BSG.
{/Scicillian reasoning}
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Save that your "rock no end" referred not to the new BSG series, but the product of BSG's technical quality and Lucas' Star Wars story. It then becomes quite easy to assume that you were not sarcastic at all, but rather deadly serious; that is, you are suggesting that the effort put into making BSG would be better spent on a Star Wars series. Besides which, the inclusion of sarcasm appears a random and arbitrary thing.
Lesson for the day: don't mix and match sarcasm and truthful expression, people tend to end up getting hurt.
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I think it's most likely ZB is being a pedantic sarky bastard for the sake of being...well, a pedantic sarky bastard.
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Originally posted by Blaise Russel
Save that your "rock no end" referred not to the new BSG series, but the product of BSG's technical quality and Lucas' Star Wars story. It then becomes quite easy to assume that you were not sarcastic at all, but rather deadly serious; that is, you are suggesting that the effort put into making BSG would be better spent on a Star Wars series. Besides which, the inclusion of sarcasm appears a random and arbitrary thing.
Lesson for the day: don't mix and match sarcasm and truthful expression, people tend to end up getting hurt.
....:wtf:
Dude. Stop it.
70's BSG - okay-ish
00's BSG - concentrated awesome
70's-80's Star Wars - awesome
00's Star Wars - vaguely mediocre at its best
Ergo, BSG + Star Wars would rock. And why the hell can't we lay blame at someone's feet even if they did a GOOD JOB? Quit being picky. This has been talked about far too much already.
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well, you're the one that resurrected the thread...