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Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Omniscaper on May 13, 2005, 09:04:04 pm: Ugh.... I can see why Jolene Blallock objected to it. Riker and Troi and the TNG connection to the series is COMPLETELY uncalled for. Enterprise fans care more (if at all) about the crew of Enterprise, not Riker's mid-life crisis. I guess the B & B genious felt that Enterprise needed to be shoved down the throat of Trek lore by having TNG cast members prepping them up during their own demise. The only redeeming factor to the last episode is a 30 second montage of all 3 Enterprises with Intro monologue we are all familiar with spoken by all captains of Enterprise. (CG TOS and TNG Enterprises never looked better)

Every Trek series produced a finale fit to its series. It fit their scenario and it stood by themselves independently. I guess, in a sense, that this ending perhaps fit the series considering 3 seasons of rather WEAK Trek. The 4rth season of Enterprise showed quite an improvement and the show may have redeemed itself entirely thanks to a shift in creative talent. But alas, since previous seasons sucked, Braga and Berman felt they needed to remind people why it sucked.

All in all.... The series Enterprise is one big nasty cake. Three seasons make up the moldy cake. The fourth composed the DELICIOUS icing. Topped with a steaming turd ball for a finale cherry.

Oh well.... its over. Now its time for the long silence till the next Trek TV carnation.

Braga and Berman.... F*** YOU very much.
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Post by: Ford Prefect on May 13, 2005, 09:19:23 pm: I thought it was a good way to kill it with dignity. I liked the way they connected it historically to The Next Generation without sh*tting out some stupid time travel story. It was actually a very respectable tip of the hat.

By the way, did anyone catch the little insertion of the phrase "all good things"?
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Omniscaper on May 13, 2005, 09:24:15 pm: It just didn't FEEL like a series finale. Its seems more like a neat TNG cap. Its last episode didn't even get 2 hours. "Demons" is a good episode... its not even close to be considered a SERIES finale.

Interesting quote by Scott Bakula (Captain Cheese Beagle) "Enterprise Finale Validates Show's Part of Star Trek Legend"

http://www.syfyportal.com/article.php?id=1845

I always thought the general CONTENT of a series validates its place in the Trek pantheon. Not its finale!!!!
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Mongoose on May 13, 2005, 09:37:08 pm: I didn't mind the finale that much, and Terra Prime was downright teriffic. That last scene with all three Enterprises did bring a tear to my eye. I'm going to miss this show; despite what most people feel, I enjoyed all four seasons. It was killed off before its time. Rest in peace. :(
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Unknown Target on May 13, 2005, 09:38:55 pm: I haven't seen it...but...shouldn't they have connected it to TOS? I mean, chronologically, and fan-wise, it's closer and more well known (respectively).
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Liberator on May 13, 2005, 09:44:24 pm: Terra Prime airs this week for me since last week's ep for me was Peter Weller in a Flying Moon Colony taking over a weapon that shouldn't exist in that time period since they don't even have phasers worthy of the name.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Ford Prefect on May 13, 2005, 09:44:37 pm: Quote
I haven't seen it...but...shouldn't they have connected it to TOS? I mean, chronologically, and fan-wise, it's closer and more well known (respectively).

Good idea. Let's get some actors from TOS and pretend they aren't 100000000000000 pounds heavier than when they were on the show.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Carl on May 13, 2005, 09:47:11 pm: not to mention old or dead.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Omniscaper on May 13, 2005, 09:48:45 pm: A TOS connection would have been NICE much like the Miirror Universe episode. But I guess Shatner won't look so good in his old uniform. I was expecting the Archer to send off the first Constitution class starship. Oh well... BLEH.

Despite whatever connection, the finale should have focused on an ENTERPRISE based story. This "finale" is nothing more than Braga and Berman pitifully LEGITAMIZING Enterprise into Trek canon.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Carl on May 13, 2005, 09:54:50 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Omniscaper
I was expecting the Archer to send off the first Constitution class starship.

The Enterprise NCC-1701 was the first constitution. Archer would have been 140-something years old.

i suppose T'pol could have, though.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Omniscaper on May 13, 2005, 10:06:50 pm: I haven't memorized the Trek timeline, so pardon me. Archer mentioned Enterprise being decomissioned because of the first warp 7 starship. I was hoping to see either a Constitution class (not necesarly the Enterprise) or a new design that crosses this series' design and TOS design.

I guess the next Trek prequel movie will fill in the blanks between Archer and Kirk.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Mefustae on May 13, 2005, 10:06:42 pm: Well, let's hope that if and when the next Trek series/movie is made, Braga and Berman have the sense to stay the hell away from it...
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Annorax on May 13, 2005, 10:07:42 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Omniscaper
I haven't memorized the Trek timeline, so pardon me. Archer mentioned Enterprise being decomissioned because of the first warp 7 starship. I was hoping to see either a Constitution class (not necesarly the Enterprise) or a new design that crosses this series' design and TOS design.

I guess the next Trek prequel movie will fill in the blanks between Archer and Kirk.

Let me guess... Daedalus class?
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Ford Prefect on May 13, 2005, 10:51:57 pm: Quote
The Enterprise NCC-1701 was the first constitution.

I don't think so. Presumably, the first Constitution class starship was the USS Constitution.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Trivial Psychic on May 13, 2005, 11:06:21 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Annorax
Let me guess... Daedalus class?

That would have been my suspicion... though said class looks significanty poorer than the NX-01. Someone would have had to rationalize the change to a sphere primary hull instead of a saucer.

One redeeming quality though... we got to see the highest detail ever shots of 1701-D. I doubt even Omni's Galaxy would match that for detail... perhaps with normal maps though.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Ace on May 14, 2005, 12:29:50 am: Terra Prime was great, and would have been an excellent finale on its own.

Liberator's complaint about the anti-comet array seems rather silly, because the phasors on the NX-01 managed to do the same damage as the array did when they were overloaded. (grumbles about lack of overloaded cannon use since then...) With the technology shown in the show, the array device makes sense. Cotto & co. are pretty competent in this regard.

The episode's ending with Archer's speech, tying up the relations between most characters, etc. was a wonerful tie-up.

All of the Voyages on the other hand, seemed rather unecessary.

My problems aren't with the overall concept, but the execution.

A 'holodeck adventure' showing the ship was something sort of needed to give a point of view. However, both Frakes and Sertis don't look how they did ten years ago. Setting the episode on Riker's starship would have been a better move.

Similarly, it would have been nice if the NX-01 was the start of the "five year mission" setup. The NX-01 is on its second such mission. Have Tripp become captain, a few others gain promotions and reassignments, but all come back together for Enterprise's decommission. Archer takes on his old role as Tripp lets him be an honorary captain, etc.

It'd make sense if Archer became one of the ambassadors for Earth and was traveling planet to planet selling this idea of the Federation, and it conveniently allows for this final get-together.

The event with Shren seemed also pointless. Tying it in with the politics of the time would have been better. Such as Shren crossing the Orion Syndicate while negotiating a trade agreement and they kidnapped his family. Enterprise is the nearest ship and is sent there. It seems odd how they handled Shren when it seemed that he was going to become a diplomat, etc. Having it be a "high stakes" thing that could effect the charter would make it better.

Then there could have been a short space battle with the Orions catching up with the NX-01, boarding, and then Tripp's sacrifice to save Archer.

Also, having Reid not on the ship but perhaps one of the higher ranking members of Section 31, and being the person to mention the issue with Shren would have worked. It would have given his character a lot of growth, especially since he was "in the game" again after Terra Prime.

Similarly, Hoshi might have been given a promotion in the time to being a higher up in Starfleet's linguistics. Being along with Archer on his recent mission.

Finally, the 'founding the Federation' scene was quite odd. Terra Prime dealt with the coalition treaties, yet this episode had a similar thing going on. They seemed to be careful to say that this wasn't the Federation Charter being signed but something that led to it... yet the Federation logo was on the wall of the place.

I would have set the episode perhaps 11 years after Terra Prime, and made it the federation's founding. Have Archer mention the Earth-Romulan war, Tripp becoming decorated due to his unconventional tactics using the older NX class ships, etc.

Then toss in at the final scene the NX-01 flying into drydock over Earth (when Archer is saying the "...and boldly go where no man has gone before.") and see the camera pan to a Daedalus that goes to warp.

...and if Archer is to become a footnote in history, why was he at such an important speech? It'd make better sense if his speech in the episode 'Terra Prime' was his big epic one. But overshadowed by the Federation Charter where he may have been just one of many guest speakers.

But the moral of the story is that Berman and Braga should never be allowed to write ever again. Under penalty of death :)

Of course what would be wonderful is having a fifth season of Enterprise (written by the same folks as season 4) start with:
The Ent D flies by, and the shot zooms into the bridge. You see the various crew members working, and standing with them is a Romulan in a TNG uniform along with one of the Sphere Builders.

With some rough lines of dialog such as:
"Unless you destroy the humans, this may well be what occurs."

"The Earthers have already prevented our expansion into Andorian and Tellerite space. We need no additional reasons to war with them. Why do you show me this?"

"Because when the time is right senator, you will need allies."

The bridge then dissolves into a crude holodeck, and then the builder's hologram vanishes.

The senator then walks out through a door where Remans, etc. can be seen.

Cue to titles, and a season 5 opening two parter that deals more with events leading to the Earth-Romulan war.

That way it's a bit of a slap in B&B's face, and the immediate future of the series can be rewritten to a better story arc.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Mongoose on May 14, 2005, 02:16:51 am: If there was any way for that to happen, it would be completely amazing. :D

Incidentally, don't ever bother visiting the Enterprise forum on StarTrek.com; every time I visit there, I become incredibly annoyed by the fact that there are more series bashers than fans. :p
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Post by: Flipside on May 14, 2005, 04:09:39 am: It's a pity it's over in a way, I stopped watching the show after about series 2, not really because of the acting/writing or anything, but simply beause I was suffering from OverTrek.

However, it's like Star Wars in a way, keep chopping away at the trunk for long enough and eventually the tree will fall over, I think that's what happened here. The Trek universe is so set in place now that even the slightest variance from canon established in previous (or later) episodes will just make things sit 'wrong'.

This is why it's always a bad idea to make prequels, you are literally a slave to what has gone before, at least sequels give you a lot more artistic license. Bringing in Time Travel again for the first few series, especially since most of the Star Trek team had already stated they were kinda bored with it by the end of TNG, was a pretty silly move as well.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Knight Templar on May 14, 2005, 09:01:28 pm: I near cried when Tripp died.

I thought Deanna was actually kind of hot.

I let out a big wtf when they didn't let us hear his speech. I suppose he already gave it more or less in Terra Prime.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Carl on May 14, 2005, 09:07:44 pm: It was stupid of them to kill trip. if it was 50 years in the future and he was old, then it wouldn't have been so bad, but 5 years? I think B&B just wanted to make it so Scifi couldn't continue the show.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Bobboau on May 14, 2005, 09:39:27 pm: meh, it's years into the future, there's nothing to stop them from continueing.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Carl on May 14, 2005, 10:16:23 pm: but why watch it and develop the character if he's gonna die? it'd be gay.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Ford Prefect on May 14, 2005, 10:23:30 pm: Quote
I let out a big wtf when they didn't let us hear his speech.

Every time I watch Scott Bakula speak several lines in a row, I need a pan galactic gargle blaster.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Omniscaper on May 14, 2005, 11:23:50 pm: Scott Bakula's line delivery have always helped me with my bowel movements. I still believe that Enterprise suffered from a mis-cast in addition to lousy producers.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Bobboau on May 14, 2005, 11:26:51 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Carl
but why watch it and develop the character if he's gonna die? it'd be gay.

...timetravle...:nervous:
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: IceFire on May 15, 2005, 12:14:58 am: See I think Terra Prime Part 2 was the real ending of the Enterprise series. The other episode was more about the ending of Star Trek on TV. All the various trek references, the elements of all of the Enterprises, when Trip and T'Pol are talking about going separate ways and so on...thats about the audience and the series.

I liked Terra Prime Part 2 much better....but I understand I think.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Sandwich on May 15, 2005, 02:20:38 am: Ironic that both Trek and Wars are going out with a whimper (I refuse to get my hopes up about EPIII, despite reviews) within one week of each other.

Did anyone else notice that Troi's Betazoid accent had been mostly swallowed up by her native British accent?

It'd be awesome if Coto manages to continue Enterprise on Sci-Fi or something - I'd love to see how he kicks Season 5 off. Is it for sure that it's not gonna happen, tho?
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Ashrak on May 15, 2005, 03:29:36 am: its dead ... permenantely and i also doubt there will be another ST series anytime soon (5 - 10 years)
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Omniscaper on May 15, 2005, 05:21:41 am: I am looking forward to the war with the Romulans movie. This would be the first Trek movie without a series as a foundation. If Berman and/or Braga are not involved, I'll DEFINITELY be looking forward to it.

If a series were to ever spawn again, I'd like to see the next NEXT generation resume the Enterprise's voyage.

There are so many possibilites to explore:

It would be nice for Starfleet to begin exploring a new GALAXY via transwarp technology.

TNG had also many stories that were left untouched. I was disappointed when the episode "Conspiracy" (dunno if correct title) was never followed up on. It was the episode when high ranking officials of Starfleet was infiltrated by an alien organism complete with Queen bee. The episode ends with them sending out a signal before their demise.

Perhaps a follow up on the Doomsday Machine and their origins.

Sigh.... it will be awhile till something fills the TV Trek void.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Ashrak on May 15, 2005, 05:53:41 am: Quote
Originally posted by Omniscaper

It would be nice for Starfleet to begin exploring a new GALAXY via transwarp technology.

too stargate atlantis

and wasnt there some "wierd superbarrier" at the edge of the galxy in TOS?
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Post by: Omniscaper on May 15, 2005, 06:25:57 am: Or the remains of the Star Wars universe. Star Wars does take place in a "galaxy far far away".... but it was "a long time ago"

TOS... galactic barrier? I recall Spock saying that the Doomsday Machine and the V'ger probe originated from another galaxy. Transwarp/transwarp conduits do not use normal space, so any such barrier could be easily bypassed.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Flipside on May 15, 2005, 09:43:22 am: The barrier was used in Star Trek 6 or 7, the one with Spocks brother.

As for anothe series, to be honest, I don't see one ever appearing. I think that was it guys, game over.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Ashrak on May 15, 2005, 10:55:37 am: Quote
Originally posted by Flipside
The barrier was used in Star Trek 6 or 7, the one with Spocks brother.

As for anothe series, to be honest, I don't see one ever appearing. I think that was it guys, game over.

nonono that was a barrier in the center of the galaxy aka the black hole ecretion(sp?) disk

i meant the one which appeared in TOS where some alien dudes took over ent and wanted to go back to theyr home galaxy and there was some red barrier thingie on the edge which smashed theyr ship
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Post by: Trivial Psychic on May 15, 2005, 11:37:49 am: Quote
Originally posted by Ashrak
i meant the one which appeared in TOS where some alien dudes took over ent and wanted to go back to theyr home galaxy and there was some red barrier thingie on the edge which smashed theyr ship

Actually, they were there at least twice in TOS. In the 2nd TOS pilot, the one with Kirk rather than Pike, the Enterprise was following up on the path of a lost Starfleet ship, the Valiant, which was last on a mission to go beyond the edge of the galaxy. When they hit the barrier, it knocked out their engines, but it also gave god-like ESP and special powers to 2 crew members. Then in the episode you mentioned, when the aliens spoke of the barrier to Kirk, he replied that they'd encountered it themselves. In another episode, some (realy) alien ambassador in a box was brought aboard by a blind empath played by the same actress that would later play Dr. Katherine Pollaski in TNG Season 2. A guy who came with them had feelings for her, but she had feelings for the ambassador (even though a method of communication hadn't been established). When he couldn't have her, he tried to kill the ambassador, but that species (the Medusans) cause madness to all who look upon them, except Vulcans who are wearing a weird orange visor. When he tried to kill the ambassador, he saw him (it) and went mad, ran to engineering and acted out his madness on the engines and took the ship to someplace that looks just like the afore mentioned barrier. It took a mind meld between the ambassador and Spock to get them out of there.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Annorax on May 15, 2005, 11:56:44 am: Quote
Originally posted by Omniscaper
I am looking forward to the war with the Romulans movie. This would be the first Trek movie without a series as a foundation. If Berman and/or Braga are not involved, I'll DEFINITELY be looking forward to it.

If a series were to ever spawn again, I'd like to see the next NEXT generation resume the Enterprise's voyage.

There are so many possibilites to explore:

It would be nice for Starfleet to begin exploring a new GALAXY via transwarp technology.

TNG had also many stories that were left untouched. I was disappointed when the episode "Conspiracy" (dunno if correct title) was never followed up on. It was the episode when high ranking officials of Starfleet was infiltrated by an alien organism complete with Queen bee. The episode ends with them sending out a signal before their demise.

Perhaps a follow up on the Doomsday Machine and their origins.

Sigh.... it will be awhile till something fills the TV Trek void.

The DS9 relaunch novels did follow up on this...
Spoiler:
They're really an earlier evolutionary form of the Trill symbionts.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Sandwich on May 15, 2005, 04:39:22 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Annorax

The DS9 relaunch novels did follow up on this...
Spoiler:
They're really an earlier evolutionary form of the Trill symbionts.
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That makes absolutely no sense to me... the Trills have been around for hundreds of years at the very least by the middle of TNG (when Jadzia Dax is introduced in DS9's launch), but the THG episode with the conspiracy was a scant few years earlier.
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Post by: Bobboau on May 15, 2005, 04:57:21 pm: you know I've always wanted to see a DS9 movie
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Movie: Return of the Emisary

or maybe just
Star Trek: Return of the Emisary

something with the Dominion/Pah`Wraith makeing another play for power, and then Sisco comeing back and getting all "BEHOLD MY WRATH" on there asses with super wormhole alien powers. Bajor finaly joining the federation. ect..
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Post by: Flipside on May 15, 2005, 05:08:04 pm: Just for clarification, the wierd Alien ambassador was a Medusan, which, like may others of the truly alien races that the federation encountered, vanished after a single episode. It's a pity really, I would have liked to see more of that kind of stuff.
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Post by: Ace on May 15, 2005, 05:18:33 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Bobboau
you know I've always wanted to see a DS9 movie
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Movie: Return of the Emisary

or maybe just
Star Trek: Return of the Emisary

something with the Dominion/Pah`Wraith makeing another play for power, and then Sisco comeing back and getting all "BEHOLD MY WRATH" on there asses with super wormhole alien powers. Bajor finaly joining the federation. ect..

Bah, the Dominion as a whole going evil again really wouldn't make too much sense and sounds like a lame fan fiction story. Disillusioned rebel Jem'Hadar and Vorta warlords could work though.

What would actually be fun though would be a miniseries dealing with the Hur'q and the Klingons. Have a human turn out to be Khaless reborn (probably a main character), who leads the Federation and Klingons against what seems to be an utterly impossible to win war against the Hur'q who have returned.

Then you can have the plotline dealing with how the Klingons eventually joined the Federation.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Flipside on May 15, 2005, 05:21:38 pm: I still want to know how the Klingons changed from being humans with beards into the forehead monsters ;)
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Post by: Bobboau on May 15, 2005, 05:29:03 pm: you didn't watch Enterprise did you?
they explained it.
an acedent while trying to make genetic super klingons led to a virus who's only cure caused severe facal disfigurement, leading to a whole generation of klingons scared for life (if they were on one of the colonies effected by the illness.)
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Post by: Flipside on May 15, 2005, 05:32:25 pm: Ahhhh... Thanks for the explanation, you're right, I got bored with the temporal cold war and stopped watching Enterprise quite early on ;)
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Post by: Ace on May 15, 2005, 06:10:34 pm: The last season was quite good. The Klingons attempting to make Khan-like augments was a clever way of handling the issue while connecting it to other bits of Trek.
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Post by: Grey Wolf on May 15, 2005, 08:09:01 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich

That makes absolutely no sense to me... the Trills have been around for hundreds of years at the very least by the middle of TNG (when Jadzia Dax is introduced in DS9's launch), but the THG episode with the conspiracy was a scant few years earlier.
Trill predate that even. Their first appearance was in TNG, probably about the same time as one or the other of the two episodes involving the conspiracy.
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Post by: NGTM-1R on May 16, 2005, 12:28:46 am: It was a seaon or two after that, IIRC...
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Post by: deep_eyes on May 16, 2005, 12:46:30 am: IM sorely disapointed by B&B's portryal of a true ending. there was no need to throw shran and his 20 min segment of action (i guess just to make it mildly entertaining), and having TNG members apart of the story at whole totally blew me off.

terra prime 2 fuggin had me tearing over the baby issue and how trip was raining tears to tpol over it in the end...

im mad they killed trip off too, which was the gayest thing they did since KILLING DATA.

but i just realized something, trip himself was almost shown as much, if not more than archer or most of the rest of the cast then anyone else IMO....

the ending was nice the 30 second shot, kinda backwards, but it woulda been better if they did show the initial speech, then jump to the soverign (instead of the ent.c (i think)) to the consitution, then to the nx-01....

i dunno its like what everyones doing with all good things, ****NIG THEM THE **** UP.
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Post by: Sandwich on May 16, 2005, 02:01:31 am: Trip was waay cooler than Archer, that's why. And I agree with you 100% on the rest. :)
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Post by: Inquisitor on May 16, 2005, 09:53:07 am: I wasn't overly impressed with either episode. Was teh Riker issue covered in a TNG episode? The whole Pegasus thing sounded familiar....

Anyway, the Riker/Troi thing was overdone, pretty campy. They coulda done the whole episode without it and had something decent, and still done the ending the way they did.

There were enough nods to the rest of Trek in the Enterprise segments of that episode.

Meh. Battlestar Galactica is back on soon, and Serenity is coming out soon enough.

I am glad they put "Where no MAN has gone before" back in.
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Post by: vyper on May 16, 2005, 03:29:15 pm: [q](instead of the ent.c (i think)) to the consitution, then to the nx-01.... [/q]

Twas the Enterprise D they started with young lad (hence Patrick Stewart's voice at that point)
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Post by: Liberator on May 16, 2005, 07:57:41 pm: Bleh...no, not even that...meh...
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Post by: Ulala on May 17, 2005, 10:58:07 pm: *sigh*
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Post by: Grey Wolf on May 17, 2005, 11:18:33 pm: I have nothing better to do at the moment, so let's check.
"Coming of Age", first mention of a possible conspiracy by Admiral Quinn, ST:TNG Season 1, Episode 18.
"Conspiracy", encounter with the aforementioned hive conspiracy, ST:TNG Season 1, Episode 24.
"The Host", first appearance of the Trill, ST:TNG Season 4, Episode 23.

Oddly enough, StarTrek.com lies about the first appearance of the Trill. They claim it was in the first episode of ST:DS9, over a year later.
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Post by: Annorax on May 17, 2005, 11:52:11 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Grey Wolf
I have nothing better to do at the moment, so let's check.
"Coming of Age", first mention of a possible conspiracy by Admiral Quinn, ST:TNG Season 1, Episode 18.
"Conspiracy", encounter with the aforementioned hive conspiracy, ST:TNG Season 1, Episode 24.
"The Host", first appearance of the Trill, ST:TNG Season 4, Episode 23.

Oddly enough, StarTrek.com lies about the first appearance of the Trill. They claim it was in the first episode of ST:DS9, over a year later.

Try reading the DS9 Relaunch novels... the conspiracy is followed up and explained in those. I will say that the creatures pretty much owned the Bajoran sector since before What You Leave Behind.
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Post by: Bobboau on May 17, 2005, 11:56:16 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Inquisitor
Was teh Riker issue covered in a TNG episode? The whole Pegasus thing sounded familiar....

yes, one of the latter TNG epps, Riker was ordered to lie to Pecard about what he had been doing on the one ship when they went looking for it years afer it had disapeared. I beleve they found it merged to an asteroid. it was an illigal federation cloaking device that would also allow the cloaked ship to pass through solid matter. (I beleve that is were the whole "out of phase" walking through walls thing started from, but the eppisode with a quasi-working romulan version may have come first.)
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Post by: Trivial Psychic on May 18, 2005, 03:01:20 am: Correct Bob. The Episode "The Next Phase" was in season 5 IIRC, in which Geordie & Ro were believed dead but actually had been phase-cloaked during transport and had to find a way both to get un-phased, and prevent the Romulan crew they had been assisting, from sabbotaging and destroying the Enterprise. The concept was introduced in this episode, then followed up in "The Pegasus" about 2 years later. In the later, the Enterprise was briefly fitted with the illegal cloak to escape from an asteroid the Romulans had sealed them into during the Pegasus recovery operation. How much you wanna bet that Section 31 ensured that whatever the courtmarial and subsequent discussions with the Romulans decided, the cloak would be spared any possible destruction order and quietly tucked away, and perhaps replaced with a fake. It might even explain how Dr. Bashier was abducted by Section 31 during their initial DS9 appearance onto a starship, without being detected. Perhaps said ship was phase-cloaked using the Pegasus model, or one based off it. I know, I know, all speculation... but fun speculation.

Later!
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Carl on May 18, 2005, 04:34:37 am: You know, I'm so glad that Enterprise was replaced by a show as classy, thought provoking, and high quality as a reality show about Britney Spears.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: vyper on May 18, 2005, 06:26:42 am: Makes you want to hug the UPN executives till they just turn blue, doesn't it?
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Mongoose on May 18, 2005, 06:08:10 pm: As I've said elsewhere, besides the odd Phillies game, I'm never even bothering to put UPN on again.
Title: Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 18, 2005, 06:17:42 pm: *Grey Wolf distributes the old HLP shotguns with ammunition