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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nuke on May 21, 2005, 04:39:54 am
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this is what ive come up with so far, any suggestions?
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I'm getting an account login thingy.
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damn, didnt work the way i thought it did, it should be showing my parts wishlist.
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Suggestions: Venice core AMD 3200+ or 3700+ San diego core if you've got cash to burn. If pentium is in the name, I'm stopping right here and spending the rest of my post scoffing at you.
RAM: OCZ VX if you're buying a DFI mobo, OCZ platinum R2 (TCCD) if you're not
Mobo: N-force 4 based, in all probability
Graphics: X800XL if you're an Ati fan, 6800GT if you're an nvidia person. (if you're going AGP, nVidia it is)
Sound: Depends on mobo. The new MSI Nforce 4s have integrated auidgy equivalent by creative, IIRC.
Power supply: Just as long as it doesn't suck.
HD: Matter of taste and budget
Case: Matter of taste and budget
Heat sink: XP-90/XP-90C/XP-120 if board supports it, AlCu if you're out for quiet, stock if you're not gonna overclock like mad.
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should work now kinda, mind you im trying to spend less than $800
how does this config stack up against my p4 2.4ghz northwood (rest of my hardware sucks ass even more)? im not sure how they rate chips anymore, i was so comfy with ghz then they had to change the rules. :mad:
ok, detsils, im going with a micro-atx cube, its a rather sexy box, it will be minimalistic but powerfull. they are out of stock but il place my order the second they are not. hopefully by then il have the cash. im going pcix16 video. for sound i will just use my extigy. also i got the dvd burner i just bought, which will be the only removeable media drive in the box. im definately going amd, intel has gone to schiet lately. also i dont intend to be overclocking, i like my machines to last. i dont want a machine full of bottlenecks like the one im using now.
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Look at heatflow, small cases and high-power parts don't always match up. I'd also go for a Radeon X something for the graphics, but that's just my fanboyism.
The rest seems ok, but definately make sure the PSU you're getting is matched with the parts.
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They didn't change the rules. The rules have always been complicated. Intel just didn't tell you that, cause that would make them lose.
A neutered clawhammer is a poor way to go. Save some cash and get a 3200+ venice and OC the hell out of it. Or don't. Truth is, I've got a 3200+ winchester and while I can overclock the sucker to 2.5 ghz (from 2.0 ghz stock) I've got no need to. And a 3200+ venice should hit 2.5 easy if you've got some reason to.
I've never heard of foxconn in my life, and the mobo is probably not where you want to save cash.
I know jack all about the case, and they give you no specs on the PSU. That isn't a good sign.
RAM....well, it's an AMD64. Not all too relevant, really, you can get away with cheapie here.
I'd undercut on the processor to a cheaper 3200+ or even 3000+ venice, spend the extra on the mobo and the PSU.
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actually that was the most expensive micro-atx i could find that would fit in the case i wanted. im not to happy with my selection but it has a nice set of features nd got good reviews.
the processor did seem a little bit more expensive that i expected. mind you i dont really know anything about amd. i wont be overclocking the sucker. im kinda concernec because the chip is only 2.2 ghz, im running 2.4 pentium now. i expect the faster system bus, hyper transport feature, and faster memory would make the whole of the machine faster, i just dont like that im slowing down my chip.
the psu i believe is 420 watt. im running a 400 watt now and its powering a fully loaded machine just fine. when i was a pc tech and we switched from low-end amd to intel we had to change out entire stock of power supplys because intel neede a special power connector for the cpu. does amd have a similar connector or is it all prety standard now?
as for the rest of the system i pretty much know what im getting into. except maybey the sata hard drive, but that souldnt be too difficult to figure out.
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The CPU can indeed be easily downgraded to a 3k+. I have one myself, backed up by a gig of DDR and a Radeon 9800Pro. I can run HL2 at almost full settings at high res. (Only AA has to be turned down a bit).
But, I'll repeat, the PSU better be good. Also, if you want this thing to sit in living room, or in a bedroom and leave it on while you sleep, check the noise level on the parts. A graphics card will add some noice unless it has either passive cooling or something water-cooled. The AMD procesors will clock themselves if idle back if you tell them to in the BIOS. My 2Ghz AMD64 3000 runs at 1Ghz most of the time, with the CPU fan standing still.
Other parts to check are casefans, bigger and slower is better, and the PSU.
EDIT: I see you edited.
I'm not sure how fast a 2.4Ghz P4 is, but what I wrote above should give you a fair estimate of your own new rig. Keep in mind that even during HL2, my CPU isn't at full capacity most of the time. My graphics card seems to be more of a bottleneck.
A 400 watt PSU sounds good, but bare in mind that just watts don't mean everything, check for reviews.
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the pictures of this case seem to indicate a rather large fan. it looks high performance to me, much higher than my current case. it even got a built in heat gauge :D noid soesnt bug me, if it did id have thown my current computer out the window.
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Be careful with the Venice core. Make sure that your motherboard's BIOS supports it, specifically. Otherwise, you either have to hotflash the BIOS when they release one that supports it, or RMA the chip like I had to do recently. Ended up with a 3500+ Clawhammer in the end, and I've actually been fairly happy with that. Same chip that's on the list, actually.
Again, find the actual make of the PSU, and investigate it before you buy the parts.
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Originally posted by Nuke
should work now kinda, mind you im trying to spend less than $800
hey dude take a look at something like this:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1359939&Sku=C460-1022%20M
$249, and includes everything from mouse, keyboard, case, PS, motherboard, processor, hard drive, graphics card, RAM, CD-Rom... pretty much a complete computer minus the operating system.
:)
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thats the wuss way out. :D the point was to make a computer better than what ive got, not worse. thats like the computers i used to "professionally" build, scarey. :D
*edit* psu specs off manufacturer's web page:
ATX 420W power supply
-High-gloss mirror finish -ooooh perdy
-1*80mm built-in UV blue LED fan -oooooh glowey
-Wire management:all wires are sleeved
-Size:116 x 149 x 87 mm
AC INPUT..........115V/230V - 60/50Hz
DC OUTPUT.....+3.3V....+5V....+12V....-12V....-5V....+5VSB
........................20A.....25A.....13A.....0.8A.....0.3A. ....2.0A
Max Combined Watts.......................420W
connectors
1 x 20pin Main Power
1 x 12V (P4)
4 x Peripheral
1 x Floppy
1 x SATA
i know about p4s and there power usage, however im not sure what an amd system needs.
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I don't trust that +12v line. With my True430, I'm really pushing the limits of it between the 6800GT and the A64 3500+.
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theres also this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130485) board. the only thing i dont like about it is that it has onboard video, when i intend to be using a pcix16 vid card. its got firewire and digital audio out (both of which are things i could use). i am kinda concerned about using a nvidia vid card on a mobo with an ati chipset :D
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Just because there's onboard video doesn't mean you have to use it. Disable it in the BIOS and use the PCIe one you want to use.
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i think il go with that msi board.
do you think a gig of ram is enough, or will i need more?
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A gig of ram is plenty.
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Checking out the case pics, I'm skeptical of this PSU working. But if you think you can get it to fit, it's pretty damn nice. It has a phat 12v line and is switched, and I can vouch for it running a 6600GT (AGP) + AMD64 2800 (754-pin). Like one review says, it does get a little hot, if you have good ventilation it'll cool down pretty fast though.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104124
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Originally posted by Nuke
thats the wuss way out. :D the point was to make a computer better than what ive got, not worse. thats like the computers i used to "professionally" build, scarey. :D
with all due respect, the computer i posted is comparable to yours, for much less than half the cost... i wasn't saying go for it, i was implying that you should look into 'barebones' systems like that... because they obviously rival the cost of building your own computer from scratch, if not beat it.
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it makes me question how they managed to get the thing so cheap. i know how theese companies work, i used to work for one. its that little extra that makes things expensive. im willing to pay that much if it will last me another 3 years.
a low profile case is one of the things i want, im tired of the typical clunky tower, this case is small and lightweight, which will come in handy should i ever decide to participate in lan partys. as for the power usage, thanks for the tips, my current rig is plagued by power probs, il probibly make use of ohms law and determine from the specs of all the hardware how much power i will actually need.
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It's simple, they used cheap parts. The AXP is still a decent processor, though going with one in a new system seriously limits your upgrade options down the line. The power supply claims to be 450 watts, but that doesn't mean all that much if it's not telling you which rails are getting how much power. The vid card was a piece of junk when it was new, and it's not new. The hard drive is an older slower 5400 RPM model.
If you use ohms law, be sure to apply it by rail.
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yea thats trickey, i havent had to use ohms law sence '99 :D