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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: MicroPsycho on May 25, 2005, 04:47:06 pm
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A word of caution for those who do not wish to know anything about this film, turn back now.
I finally saw this movie after school yesterday, and I really don't know what to say. I'd first like to say that I am a big Star Wars fan, I loved the originals and grew up playing games from X-Wing, Tie Fighter and Rogue Squadron, among many others. Episodes 1 and 2 had been fairly dissappointing, they weren't great movies, they might even have been good moviesm but certainly not bad movies. After seeing several trailers and waiting in anticipation, I thought George had made a turn around and actually made a good movie to this otherwise mediocre trilogy. Damn was I wrong. Not only was this movie bad, but it was, for lack of a better word, retarded. On top of abbismal acting, none of the characters had any depth to them, and didn't behave anything like their formal selves, especially the droids, who had voice changes and were given "personalities". Oh yeah, R2-D2 kills 2 SBDs, at once, wtf? The story had some potential, Anakins reasons for turning to the darkside are legitimate but the horrible execution of the story ruins it. On top of that was rushed story, everything happened too fast. The acting, as I said before was horrible, the biggest offenders being Anakin, Palpatine and, surprisingly and to my horror, YODA! Hayden Christenson as Anakin started the movie with quite a good job of acting and line delivery, but it went downhill, very, very fast and near the end he sounded like a complete idiot, with lines like "Love can't save you Padme but my new powers will" or something along those line. Yoda, says everything in his "backwards talk", I mean everything and some of his phrases sound utterly retarded.Ian McDarmound as Palpatine had flucuation is his voice between words and wasn't even subtle at twisting Anakin to the dark side, he may as well have had a sign on his chest reading "I am a Sith Lord". Which brings me to another point, there are no sith! I was expecting some sort of group of lightsaber weilding sith, nope, not one, except Dooku, who loses both hands before being decapitated, the Jedi are slaughtered by the Clone Troopers, not Sith. Every 'important' character had at least one hand cut off, if they died, I think some friends and I counted about 6 or 7 de-handings throughout the movie. Kashyyyk was another dissapointment, there was no big battle, there were 3 explosions, a wookie and 2 decapitations. The most unfortunate part of the movie is however, that fact that we, the viewer gain nothing from it. Sure you've seen the original trilogy and no what happens, but you should learn something new after watching the backstory, and know the fact that Darth Vader is played by a whining prick who can't act doesn't count. The only really cool part about this movie, aside from the lightsaber battles, which were well done, was General Greivous, but he dies and the movie quickly goes to hell after that.
I am really dissapointed in this movie, and it is very unfortunate that this trilogy had to end this way.
MicroPsycho
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Ermm... it's mentioned in Episode I that there is only a Sith master and apprentice.
If they had an army of lightsaber wielding Sith, that'd be in violation of the plot...
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Please explain JK:JA and KOTOR2 then...
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Plot.
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Jedi Knight- Badguys needed. They're also technically "Dark Jedi" not Sith.
KOTOR- The Sith didn't come up with the rule-of-two yet.
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The no sith part is only one of many dissapointments in the film
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Let's be honest here - did you really expect anything more than a mediocre CG-fest action movie? Lucas is a crap director and an even worse writer. That much is obvious even from Episode IV (fans may crucify me for this, but it's what I think), let alone these new ones.
I probably won't even bother seeing it, to be honest - I watched Episode II a few weeks back, and I want the two hours of my life back...
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I saw General Grevious (however you spell it) and about accused them of stealing material from Power Rangers.
I didn't think it was all THAT bad though.
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Grevious was the best part, its only after he is killed that the movie goes horribly, horribly bad. If anything you have to admit that his stance with 4 lightsabers is cool.
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I think he was a cool character, and the lightsaber fight wasn't too bad.
I just thought he was waaay over CGI.
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4 lightsabers vs. 1...
Obi-Wan shouldn't stand a chance.
Think about it, if G attacks with 4 sabers at one for different directions - you CAN'T block that with 1 saber...you just can't..
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Originally posted by Deepblue
Please explain JK:JA and KOTOR2 then...
Easy. They weren't sith. Not true Sith in the sense of historical Star Wars. All of the "Dark Jedi" Baddies in KOTOR and JK, and all those games have always been lackeys or ammateurs.
For example, KOTOR had Revan, and Malak. They were the Sith Lords. The Dark Lords of the Sith. The traditional "Sith" duo we're used to, a la the Emperor and Vader. Now, they had the Sith Empire, which is more or less just a name, like the Galactic Empire. Thus, for short, all the bad guys were just called Sith.
I know they also had Jedi weilding lackeys. These would be mini-apprentice types. Revan and Malak, and later Malak and Bandon, were the only true "Dark Lords of the Sith" and thus the traditional "Sith", while all the other nameless evil lightsaber toting baddies were "Sith" wannabes... Dark Lords in training, although the only way they could be a true "Sith Lord" or what have you, is if one of the Lords trained them in the "true" nature of the dark side. A la Vader and the Emperor.
In RotS, it's taken that the Jedi have had dynasty over the galaxy for at least 4,000 years. The Revenge comes with Anakin, becomming a member of the Sith himself, slaying all the Jedi.
Anakin brings balance (aka peace) back the force by "killing" Vader and the Emperor, thus destroying the Sith, in the original canon Star Wars, forever.
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Sometimes, I wonder what "balance" there is if you killed all the Jedi, became the Dark Lord of the Sith for about 20 years then killing the Emperor FINALLY and leaving your son, Luke, to be the only Jedi left after that.
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Misleading, the propechy is.
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Hand count by phatose:
Dooku: 2 hands lost
Grievous: 4 hands lost
Windu: 1 hand lost
Conclusion: Jedi REALLY need to create lightsaber resistant wristbands.
Plothole: Padme Dies immediately after giving birth. Leia claims to have known her mother for a brief time in ANH.
Conclusion: Lucas really should've hired some star wars nerds as fact checkers.
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The Grievous fight should've gone like this -
Grievous brings out his four lightsabers, starts slicing up clone troopers as they make their bust. Then Obi-wan jumps down from above and ignites his lightsaber. Grievous turns, hunkers down and starts doing the spinning thing with his lightsaber.
Obi-wan lowers his lightsaber and force-pushes Grievous off the cliff.
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Grievous from the cartoon was a ****ing badass, he was badass on par with Mace the MCLMF Windu, I don't think that would have done the job, Grievous kills Jedi for shits'n-gigles. but then again, it sounds like he went out like a wuss in the movie anyway.
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He got 0wned like no tomorrow. It was sad. He rides around on a wheel and then gets shot in the heart. WTF.
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...:doubt:
that makes me cry :(
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Thats the trouble having organics,so vunerable.
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Grievous was good at running away, because he constantly faced heroes. He really needed some extras to face to make him look cool (like stormtroopers).
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Observation: General Grievous, despite his attempts to ascend to a higher state of being, is still a meatbag.
Conclusion: Meatbags deserve to be blasted. ...and blasted he was!
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LOL :lol:
Would've look good seeing clones getting taken out when he spins through them.;)
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they did that in the cartoon, he smashed into a room, a bunch of troopers came in and the jedi who were in the room (to protect palpatane) ran off leaveing him and a bunch of lowly troopers alone. all they did was let you hear the carnage as the jedi waited for the elivator. at first it was a mass of blaster fire and mechanical noise, but it soon got quieter and quieter, untill, in a mater of seconds, there was nothing but silence.
seriusly, with an ass stupid name like "Grievous" I realy didn't want to like this charicter, but he was just such a badass in the show, and he ****ing dies like a gadomed pansy in a roundup factory. fothermucker!
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It looked great in the cartoons and would've look impressive in the movie aswell ;)
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I still think the most horrible parts of the movie, aside from Christensens bad acting was that a) R2-D2 killed 2 super battle droids by spraying them with oil and lighting them on fire with his booster rockets :wtf: and b) Darth Vader yelling "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" at the end, it was just too funny.:lol:
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The more and more I read, the more I realize just how much of a travesty the movie really was. Yeah, coming out of it, you're left with a 6-7/10 in your mouth, but the more you think it over.... :ick:
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Here's something that's bothering me...if Grievous is a robot...why the **** is he breathing? And if it's because he has organics, why the hell can he jump out into deep space and survive.
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Originally posted by Ace
Observation: General Grievous, despite his attempts to ascend to a higher state of being, is still a meatbag.
Conclusion: Meatbags deserve to be blasted. ...and blasted he was!
:lol: I love HK-47. What a champ.
The "Noooooooooo!" Part took the last strand of respect I had for Vadar and burned it at the stake lol.
You can't really blame the actors for cruddy acting. I call it crap script writing and crap Directing.
Lucas is trying to make a 70's movie in the 2nd millenium.
All in all though I liked this movie better than all of the others. Little to no plot, more action, and Jedi kids die. :p
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Meh, I saw it last night.
I was pleasently surprised. If I turned my mind off to Hayden's horrible acting the huge plot holes, the movie was actually quite entertaining. The "NOOOOO." was stupid. Seriously, If Anakin had been promised the ability to save Padme, and then Palpatine doesn't deliver, and considering hes become pretty much a jerk, shouldn't he have killed Palpatine on the spot? Grevious was a very cool character, but I was extremely disappointed when he bloody got shot to death. I was hoping for some lightsaber choppage... The lightsaber fights were pretty awesome, and I'm sure I saw Delta squad in there.
In conclusion: good movie with mind off, bad movie with mind on.
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Because Anakin thought that he had killed Padme, so didn't feel like he could kill Palpatine + rule the galaxy.
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In other words, what was the point for him.
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In a sense. He'd ****ed up really bad, killing all the Jedi to save Padme, and then killed her himself (as far as he knew). Sure he could kill Palpatine and rule the galaxy, but he'd already done his share in ****ing it up, he probably figured that if he ruled it he'd just make it worse.
And if he killed Palpatine and let the Senate sort it out, he'd be busted for sure.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Here's something that's bothering me...if Grievous is a robot...why the **** is he breathing? And if it's because he has organics, why the hell can he jump out into deep space and survive.
I was wondering about that too.
I felt hat this movie was worth watching twice, before I decided to delete it from my computer. I don't what is worse: The fact that it was not that great of a movie, or the fact that it was still so much better than the first two (The first one was one of the worst big budget movies I have seen to date)?
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The part I didn't like the most is, where Anikin turns to the Dark Side just to save Padme's butt, I was hoping he did it for the power and he enjoyed killing all those Jedi.
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Originally posted by WeatherOp
The part I didn't like the most is, where Anikin turns to the Dark Side just to save Padme's butt, I was hoping he did it for the power and he enjoyed killing all those Jedi.
:rolleyes:
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im confused as to waht greivous is/was, robot but hes got organic parts?
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Wasn't he a person who lost a lot of parts, then the rest was stuck in a robotic shell?
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Originally posted by Kosh
The first one was one of the worst big budget movies I have seen to date.
You obviously didn't watch XXX????
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uhm think cyborg not robot :)
i for one liked the movie
so sue me you ****tards.
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Originally posted by Ashrak
uhm think cyborg not robot :)
i for one liked the movie
so sue me you ****tards.
[color=66ff00]*waits for a ****tard to step forward*
Nope, none here.
Guess you'll have to be one of the other 4 people in the world that thought this movie was good. :rolleyes:
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I think Episode 2 was the best movie of the recent trilogy, despite its godawful title
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]*waits for a ****tard to step forward*
Nope, none here.
Guess you'll have to be one of the other 4 people in the world that thought this movie was good. :rolleyes:
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guess im not getting sued then ... am i now? :p
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I also liked the film. I even liked the two previous episodes, which is rare, I think.
And the reason why Anakin did not kill attempt to kill Palpatine ever: How could he in that tin? He could hardly move his hands.
Compare the ferocity of his attacks in EpIII and in EpVI.
And Leia might have thought her mother was Bail Organa's wife, which is not true, not to say Bail Organa's wife could have died early and Leia was misled about who her real mother was.
Sorry for not quoting any of the posts.
Originally posted by Deepblue
Please explain JK:JA and KOTOR2 then...
LucasArts' stupid plots. They only had to send lightsabre-wielding enemies at the player. Gains more profit this way.
Do NOT ever believe what LucasArts does.
Originally posted by MicroPsycho
I think Episode 2 was the best movie of the recent trilogy, despite its godawful title
Would you rate a movie based on its title? Who cares how it is called? You call it Episode II anyway.
Originally posted by TrashMan
4 lightsabers vs. 1...
Obi-Wan shouldn't stand a chance.
Think about it, if G attacks with 4 sabers at one for different directions - you CAN'T block that with 1 saber...you just can't..
Obi-Wan was trained in using Lightsabres, Grievious only observed Dooku. In addition, Obi-Wan could use the Force for omprove his agility/reflexes/defence and other attributes.
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Dooku supposedly trained Grievous...
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Obi-Wan had use of the Force in addition to, and in complement of, his lightsaber training. Grevious has only lightsaber training and extreme maneuverability with those 4 arms. In retrospect, it's no surprise that a sufficiently-trained Jedi was able to beat him, although they could have done a much better job of the battle, with there being a lot of Obi-Wan figuring out time and again how to turn the 4 seperate blades of his opponent into a disadvantage. None of that "Oh, look, I have four lightsabers that are being held off by this Jedi's single blade!" :rolleyes:
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As I said, the lightsaber fight should've gone like this:
*Obi-wan jumps down and ignites his lightsaber*
*Grievous ignites his lightsabers and starts spinning them.*
*Obi-wan lowers his lightsaber and force-pushes Grievous off the cliff.*
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I enjoyed the film. It had a few faults, granted (particularly the obvious anti-climax of the baddy winning), but I didn't notice the length of it atall - which qualifies as good enough in my book. :)
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I didn't think it was long at all. I was surprised when I heard people talking about that...I thought it could easily have been a bit longer.
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Yea, the length wasn't so bad. But Grievous is one giant plothole himself.
Anyway, the whole lightsaber fight with him was awful. He was actually trained by Dooku, and he also whipped all those other Jedi. Not to mention in the series (which can be considered canon, considering GL himself asked for it to be made), he was seriously killing like five Jedi, two of which were Jedi Masters.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Yea, the length wasn't so bad. But Grievous is one giant plothole himself.
Anyway, the whole lightsaber fight with him was awful. He was actually trained by Dooku, and he also whipped all those other Jedi. Not to mention in the series (which can be considered canon, considering GL himself asked for it to be made), he was seriously killing like five Jedi, two of which were Jedi Masters.
Well... I never watched the series. I'm not even sure if it was even shown in the UK.
And Grevious was a fairly pathetic bad guy (he either coughed a lot, or ran away from a fight). But; I wasn't all that bothered by that all in all, it was only a side story.
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Grevious: "You fool! I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku!"
Obi-Wan: "That's why you're going to lose."
Seriously though, it's important to remember a few things about the Grievous/Obi-Wan fight:
1) General Grievous is only able to fight Jedi because he's in a robotic body. He can't channel the force, which suggests that a Jedi's reflexes are still potentially better.
2) Obi-Wan is an exceptionally good Jedi.
3) Count Dooku is an exceptionally lame Sith.
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I don't think that Dooku was 'lame'. It is possible he simply did not pass his knowledge very well.
From Real Life you can take this example: That your teacher knows almost everything about his/her subject does not mean he/she is able to teach you all that.
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well i kinda liked the loosness of obi and ani ... they were like having fun while takeing out droids and **** heheheh
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Aren't you banned? :D
They did not have fun. Both of them were wise enough not to take WAR as a jest.
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:rolleyes:
I get the impression you may take this whole film series a bit too serious, sometimes.
Obi-Wan definately enjoyed square-go-ing Grevious. As seen by the big grin.
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I wouldn't enjoy gutting anyone, especially ones who want to slice me in half with four lightsabres.
Anakin may have enjoyed some kills: He wanted to be displayed superior. So he was.
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sweet when did i get half banned again hehe
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Originally posted by TopAce
I wouldn't enjoy gutting anyone, especially ones who want to slice me in half with four lightsabres.
Even someone who had killed several of your friends?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Even someone who had killed several of your friends?
Hatered leads to the dark side my young padawan
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Even someone who had killed several of your friends?
Friends?
There is no emotion, there is peace...
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Originally posted by TopAce
Friends?
There is no emotion, there is peace...
Which is what i mean about taking the movie a bit seriously.
There are times when characterisation, emotion, is more important to the story or simply the scene than to adhere to, for example, this Jedi code malarky. I'd have found that scene a hell of a lot duller, I'd expect, had Obi-Wan been completely emotionless.
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I can't add anything to that, really.
I respect your opinion, but I won't change mine.
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Fair enuff. :)
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I thought it was worth going just to see the Cruisers duking it out at the start.
I think Grievous had been seriously injured when Windu nailed his chest are with a Force Attack as he grabbed Palpertine, hence him being not such a badass later on
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When were Grevious, Windu, and Palpatine ever together?
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Sounds like it was right before the movie actually begins. Grevious kidnaps Palpatine and is about to board his shuttle or something when Windu catches up with them.
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Originally posted by TopAce
I don't think that Dooku was 'lame'. It is possible he simply did not pass his knowledge very well.
From Real Life you can take this example: That your teacher knows almost everything about his/her subject does not mean he/she is able to teach you all that.
That and Grievous wasn't gifted with the force so even if Dooku was the best teacher in the world, Grievous wouldn't have been as effective as Obi Wan. It would be like someone like Einstein trying to teach a 3 year old the theory of relativity. Doesn't matter how good a teacher Einstein is, the kid still won't learn it all.
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Incidentally... possibly worth noting Grevious was killed with a blaster - and he didn't have the force to predict it and block/avoid it (even without a lightsaber it's possible).
Oh, and I thought the intro battle was braw, too.
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Does anyone feel like the new and old movies are disconnected somehow? Like the old Star Wars (where the acting was incredible, I loved everything about what they said and did), seemed much...I don't know, somehow whole, and somehow not, as did the old ones. Except for names, they seemed to be of two completely seperate series.
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I actually came out of the theater somewhat pleasantly surprised; I always say that pessimism pays off a lot better than optimism. :p I'm willing to forgive Lucas the first half-hour of the film for the last hour. That opening battle, up until the crash landing, was utterly idiotic; it had nothing to do with the rest of the film, the special effects looked exactly like a video game (mind you, I wish the SCP could manage to pull that off :)), and the dialogue/action was pretty pathetic. The love scenes were also terrible; "I'm only beautiful because I'm in love"!? :wtf:
I thought the movie really began to pick up when Palpatine started working on Anakin; that scene when they were in the theater watching that glowing...thing (what was that anyway? :p) had some really good dialogue. I thought Palpatine in general was pretty badass. Yoda's dialogue was great, as always; as cheese-tastic as his fight scene with Palpatine was, I couldn't help but get exctied about it. The fight scenes on Kashyyyk and that rocky place whose name I can't remember were pretty good. Having never seen the Clone Wars series, I thought Grievous was rather annoying and a bit of a distraction; I thought that Obi-Wan's fight with him was good, though. The slaughter of the Jedi, although a little rushed, was good; the sad effect of the youngling scene was somewhat lessened by someone in the first row laughing out loud right after it (someone else responded with "Yeah, real funny buddy"). :p
The best scene, by far, was the climactic fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin; that was far better than I expected. When Darth Vader took his first breath, with the mist swirling in front of him...very kickass. I didn't think that the ending tried to tie up too many loose threads, as some people have said; I thought it did a pretty good job of pulling everything together. (Does anyone else think that Luke got the shaft when compared to Leia? :p)
I was struck at how much Ewan McGregor managed to sound, and even look, like Alec Guiness at times; he did a great job. I still think Hayden is a terrible actor, but at least he was eons better than in Episode II. Natalie Portman wasn't that great herself. The original badass himself, Mace, was great once again; his death seemed a little underwhelming for his character, though. (I was expecting Boba Fett to finish him off, considering how he was holding his father's head at the end of Episode II.) That explanation for Palpatine's appearance was kind of weak; I think it would have been better if Palpatine had just managed to disguise himself somehow using the Force. The part with Qui-Gon and the explanation for the "Force ghost" was kind of weak as well. The one truly fantastic part was, as usual, the score; I liked how John Williams worked Duel of the Fates in at the end.
Overall, I thought the movie was much better than the previous two, if nowhere near the original trilogy. (The New York Times lost whatever credibility it had left when it proclaimed the flim "better than the original Star Wars!" :p) I think that Lucas earned at least a small bit of redemption for it. For better or worse, Star Wars is over. Now I just have to go back and watch my original, un-interfered-with VHS copy of the Original Trilogy. :D
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Originally posted by supremacy
That and Grievous wasn't gifted with the force so even if Dooku was the best teacher in the world, Grievous wouldn't have been as effective as Obi Wan.....
Yes, yes, that's another fact why Grievous can't have won.
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Originally posted by Mongoose
.... his death seemed a little underwhelming for his character, though. (I was expecting Boba Fett to finish him off, considering how he was holding his father's head at the end of Episode II.)...
Oh, buddy, tell me how a roughly 14 year-old child could kill the second best lightsabre-wielder among the Jedi? :p
[EDIT] 2 more things:
I don't know who wrote it and where, that somehow the two trilogies are disconnected. My comment on it is that there are 18 years between Episode III and IV. A lot can happen until that. I say the picture of the two worlds(Prequel trilogy and Original Trilogy) is perfect: They give us the idea how the galaxy looked like in the times of the Republic and in the era of the Galactic Civil War(=Original Trilogy).
Second thing: Sorry for the double post again. :p
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Originally posted by TopAce
Oh, buddy, tell me how a roughly 14 year-old child could kill the second best lightsabre-wielder among the Jedi? :p
[EDIT] 2 more things:
I don't know who wrote it and where, that somehow the two trilogies are disconnected. My comment on it is that there are 18 years between Episode III and IV. A lot can happen until that. I say the picture of the two worlds(Prequel trilogy and Original Trilogy) is perfect: They give us the idea how the galaxy looked like in the times of the Republic and in the era of the Galactic Civil War(=Original Trilogy).
Second thing: Sorry for the double post again. :p
I think there is a bit of a visual disconnection; it's partly down to the simple fact they used CGI backgrounds for the prequel, and simply the different picture quality of the newer films. There's IMO definately a perceivable distance in the 'feel' of the 2 trilogies. I'm not sure if there is a story discontinuity; I'm sure some nit-picky bastard is out there willing to spoil everyones movie moaning about these things.
That and also because the first 2 prequel movies were pretty awful, whereas the original trilogy was good throughout.
That said, I think the 'force ghost' thing needed more work; how does/could Vader know of it, for example? It's only given as a single sentence to one of the biggest contradications between the 2 trilogies. But it's a very minor thing IMO with regards to the story or - crucially - the entertainment value of the film(s).
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The John Williams score (especially during the Vader/Obi duel), the choreographing (again, especially during the Vader/Obi duel) and the special effects (cruiser battle, Mustafa (is that how you spell it?) volcanoes)) were what saved it for me.
The script, and therefore the acting, was dreadful.
Only one thing we hadn't seen before, Palpatine with a lightsaber. I can't believe Yoda quit after falling a bit, he wasn't doing too bad.
7/10
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Originally posted by supremacy
That and Grievous wasn't gifted with the force so even if Dooku was the best teacher in the world, Grievous wouldn't have been as effective as Obi Wan. It would be like someone like Einstein trying to teach a 3 year old the theory of relativity. Doesn't matter how good a teacher Einstein is, the kid still won't learn it all.
Greivous has 4 robotic arms. He can move them in way impossible for a human to mimic (like rorating joins in every possible way..remember that chopper move he made?).
and he has robotic strength and speed.
Basicly, I found that fight lame.... 4 lightsabers vs. 1?
4 lightsabers coming simountaniously from 4 different directions = IMPOSSIBLE TO BLOCK with 1 saber.
Now if Kenobi had 2 lightsabers or if there were two jedi fighting grevious I could have accept it..
and why didn't Obi use the Force against Grevious? Force Push and stuff like that?
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Originally posted by TrashMan
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Basicly, I found that fight lame.... 4 lightsabers vs. 1?
4 lightsabers coming simountaniously from 4 different directions = IMPOSSIBLE TO BLOCK with 1 saber.
Now if Kenobi had 2 lightsabers or if there were two jedi fighting grevious I could have accept it..
and why didn't Obi use the Force against Grevious? Force Push and stuff like that?
This has been discussed before. Obi-Wan was trained and used the Force for defence, while Grievous only had four lightsabres, no Force and little training.
And why did not he use the Force? This question can be asked in the case of ANY fight scenes where at least Jedi take part. Simply because he did not. That's the answer. This is not a Jedi Knight game where you can use Force push all the time.
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Blooming eck.... let's not get all pedantic about whether or not he could have used Force Mlarky here; it's a movie - the director (and producer, scriptwriter, storyboarder, etc) will pick what makes for the best entertainment.
I mean... you could have, what? Obi-Wan kills Grevious in 2 seconds flat, or Grevious dissects Obi-Wan in the same time. Would it make a more entertainin movie that way?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
B...the director (and producer, scriptwriter, storyboarder, etc) will pick what makes for the best entertainment.
...speaking theoretically, with no relevance to the movie in discussion, of course. :p
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But of course.
Or rather, to correct myself...
The director (and producer, scriptwriter, storyboarder, etc) will pick what makes for the best entertainment.
And then scrap it in favour of a small musical montage with a small furry monster and a larger one. And possibly Jar Jar Binks.
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Originally posted by TrashMan
and why didn't Obi use the Force against Grevious? Force Push and stuff like that?
Terrible script, mediocre acting, and cheesy crap like R2-D2 taking out two super battle droids aside, my biggest problem with the movie was how Jedi were portrayed. There's no way Ki Adi Mundi (I think that's how you spell it) - a Jedi master would get taken down by a handful of clone troopers, even if they were using uber blasters. Plo Koon doesn't even get a single kill before he dies, a random clone trooper blows him away from behind. Look at episode two: it takes a HECK of a lot of droids to start taking out Jedi and as far as gun handling goes, I would imagine droids are almost as good as clones. And don't clone troopers eventually become Storm Troopers? In the original trilogy, a dozen storms couldn't even come close to taking out Han and Chewie let alone a JEDI MASTER! The brief scene in the movie where Yoda and Obi Wan were taking back the Jedi Temple was badass. When Yoda threw his lightsaber at a clone trooper and impaled him I almost died. THAT'S the way it all should have been, Jedi raping clones but eventually being overwhelmed by superiour numbers. And there was definitely a lack of force usage. When the buzz droids landed on Obi Wan's ship at the beginning of the movie, he should have just picked them up with the force and thrown them at something. Jedi are almost portrayed as weak little guys with a few cheap magic tricks, not the incredibly powerful good guys that keep the galaxy at peace. Well, I suppose my rant is done, but I I'll probably think of more reasons why I hated the movie later. Just my take on things.
Edit: The part where Palpatine takes out 3 Jedi Knights/Masters? in the span of like 2 seconds is probably one of the most obvious example of Jedi crappiness in the movie. I don't care if he's the Dark Lord of the Sith; there is NO way ANYONE is that good with a lightsaber.
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Storm Troopers!= Clones
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Storm Troopers!= Clones
Is that an excited Storm Trooper equals a clone, or storm trooper does not equal clone. If it was the latter, proper syntax would have been:
storm trooper != clone
It's less confusing for the rest of us that way :P
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My micro episode 3 review. Still looks like a Playstation game, but now it's a good Playstation game.
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Stormtroopers are supposedly clonetroopers that've been cloned over and over - but by Episode 6 they're clones of clones of clones, so genetic mutation has set in.
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Originally posted by TopAce
This has been discussed before. Obi-Wan was trained and used the Force for defence, while Grievous ONLY had four lightsabres, no Force and little training.
Ah yes..the amgical force... So he is suddenly immune to normal swordsmanship logic somehow?
Regardless how powerfull the Force is with him his lightsaber has to get from point A to point B following a certain trajectory and his lightsaber can onl,y block so many things at a time.
Geeze, you could havce just shown 100000 stormtroopers shooting at the same time at a Jedi and having him deflect all blaster bolts.. After all he is usiung the Force!
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Originally posted by supremacy
Terrible script, mediocre acting, and cheesy crap like R2-D2 taking out two super battle droids aside, my biggest problem with the movie was how Jedi were portrayed. There's no way Ki Adi Mundi (I think that's how you spell it) - a Jedi master would get taken down by a handful of clone troopers, even if they were using uber blasters. Plo Koon doesn't even get a single kill before he dies, a random clone trooper blows him away from behind. Look at episode two: it takes a HECK of a lot of droids to start taking out Jedi and as far as gun handling goes, I would imagine droids are almost as good as clones. And don't clone troopers eventually become Storm Troopers? In the original trilogy, a dozen storms couldn't even come close to taking out Han and Chewie let alone a JEDI MASTER! The brief scene in the movie where Yoda and Obi Wan were taking back the Jedi Temple was badass. When Yoda threw his lightsaber at a clone trooper and impaled him I almost died. THAT'S the way it all should have been, Jedi raping clones but eventually being overwhelmed by superiour numbers. And there was definitely a lack of force usage. When the buzz droids landed on Obi Wan's ship at the beginning of the movie, he should have just picked them up with the force and thrown them at something. Jedi are almost portrayed as weak little guys with a few cheap magic tricks, not the incredibly powerful good guys that keep the galaxy at peace. Well, I suppose my rant is done, but I I'll probably think of more reasons why I hated the movie later. Just my take on things.
Edit: The part where Palpatine takes out 3 Jedi Knights/Masters? in the span of like 2 seconds is probably one of the most obvious example of Jedi crappiness in the movie. I don't care if he's the Dark Lord of the Sith; there is NO way ANYONE is that good with a lightsaber.
I was wondering about the same points that you mention in your post. I did not find Jedi weak generally, until Palpatine reveals himself being the Dark Lord. Remember how Anakin and Obi-wan slaughtered the battle droids on the Confederacy flagship? That is a true example how Jedi should be shown.
The scene where Ki-Adi-Mundi was killed did not gain my liking. Flaser rationalised the clone troopers who accompanied Ki-Adi were elites, which I don't know how should affect the shots they fire at Ki-Adi. I don't think this is a good reason why he should fall so quickly.
The scene where !Three! Jedi get slaughtered by two parries by Palpatine was the weakest part of the film, I dare. At least Kit Fisto(who is a good combatant) should have been able to survive for longer. I would have loved a scene where Mace Windu and Kit Fisto attack Palpatine and Anakin just arrives, enters the battle on Palpatine's side, knowing that is the only he can save his love, slaughter Kit Fisto and then they attack Windu together.
Ok, this is a bit abstract, becasue Anakin doesn't turn to the Dark Side so suddenly, it's only a better way to make the BATTLE. Plotwise, it does not fit, I know.
I trust there will be a canon explanation why Palpatine was able to kill three Jedi so quickly. I know that Windu is almost as much better with the sabre as much longer he has survived, but that does not mean those poor Jedi could not have fended off a single parry.
To whom it may concern:
It's stormtrooper, not written individually as Storm trooper.
And I think cloning was stopped for some reason after the declaration of the Empire and humans were trained instead of them. I don't know what purpose it should have, clones are more trained and are cheaper to train/create, but I do know that in the Original trilogy, stormtroopers were non-clone humans.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
When were Grevious, Windu, and Palpatine ever together?
Last episode of Clone Wars
As for my review of the movie. Play Lego Star Wars instead. The movie was okay but the game is better :D
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The scene where Ki-Adi-Mundi was killed did not gain my liking. Flaser rationalised the clone troopers who accompanied Ki-Adi were elites, which I don't know how should affect the shots they fire at Ki-Adi. I don't think this is a good reason why he should fall so quickly.
He was caught in a crossfire. I'm pretty sure I saw him get hit from behind by the battle droids.
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From the behind? I think this is just one other reason I should watch the film again.
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Anakin - 'If you are not with me, you are my enemy'
Obi-Wan - 'Only the Sith think in absolutes'
Getting political George?
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[color=66ff00]Why are you guys musing over a crap movie.
Instead muse over the many, very good SW books that have been written.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Why are you guys musing over a crap movie.
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This is no crap movie.
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Originally posted by TopAce
This is no crap movie.
[color=66ff00]It's only my opinion based on:
Poor acting.
Poor choice of actor (Anakin).
Poor dialogue.
Overuse of computer effects.
Frequent plot issues.
Alienation of fanbase.
I still watch the original triliogy which has never lost any of its magic for me but even they are happy accidents (consider that George Lucas was an inept director, the special edition DVD 'Making of' feature illustrates this quite clearly). Irvin Kershner was a good director, George Lucas is a good producer.
You have your own reasons for liking ep. 3 but I just see a faceless, uninspiring knock off. I'm not happy about it in the least and ignore it as I think it detracts from the universe.
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I agree that there are plotholes between the Original trilogy and EpIII.
Now that a lot of people mention poor acting, I am forced to think about it while watching the film again, which I am looking forward to doing. In acting, the only scene I found 'stinky' was when Padmé fell to the floor after being choked by Anakin. It seemed unnatural. Otherwise I did not pay much attention to acting.