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Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: aldo_14 on May 29, 2005, 05:19:58 pm
http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915

[q]Microsoft and the entertainment industry's holy grail of controlling copyright through the motherboard has moved a step closer with Intel Corp. now embedding digital rights management within in its latest dual-core processor Pentium D and accompanying 945 chipset.

Officially launched worldwide on the May 26, the new offerings come DRM-enabled and will, at least in theory, allow copyright holders to prevent unauthorized copying and distribution of copyrighted materials from the motherboard rather than through the operating system as is currently the case.
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Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 29, 2005, 05:32:49 pm
More reason to favor AMD. Only for the moment, though.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Taristin on May 29, 2005, 05:55:21 pm
If AMD sells out to, I will be forced to make the jump to mac.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: übermetroid on May 29, 2005, 06:03:48 pm
there will allways be a way....  ALL WAYS!  :D
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: MatthewPapa on May 29, 2005, 06:49:04 pm
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Originally posted by übermetroid
there will allways be a way....  ALL WAYS!  :D


Exactly. I bet someone will figure out how to crack it the day after it comes out. It happened with the PSP.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Taristin on May 29, 2005, 07:17:41 pm
Intel are nothing but monkey rimmers anyway... < /tiara >
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 29, 2005, 07:41:08 pm
I doubt that even Macs are going to hold off against DRM for long. After all, how much of Apple does MS own?
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Ghost on May 29, 2005, 08:52:24 pm
AMD won't sell out... I hope. Long live the Athlon!
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: phatosealpha on May 29, 2005, 10:09:18 pm
Well, good for them.

Too bad you'll just end up with a case of a few hard core techies breaking the copy protection off, then everybody else distributing those.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Unknown Target on May 29, 2005, 10:18:31 pm
Yea, I don't doubt that a day (or less) after these come out, somoene will be distributing an app to disable it. Not only that, but I'm sure AMD, for the moment at least, will not implement it.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: WMCoolmon on May 29, 2005, 10:25:39 pm
If Intel implements this, AMD (or Apple) will have my guaranteed business as long as they refrain.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: phatosealpha on May 29, 2005, 10:44:48 pm
Still, it's a less the pleasant development.  Intel, despite their rather poor performance in the last couple of generations versus AMD, still pretty much rules the market.  And while the X2 buries the Pentium-D in performance, it's also a lot more expensive.  Intel's deploying their DRM quietly, and they are a lot more likely to achieve market penetration then AMD or Apple is.  Can't help but wonder if AMD and apple will be forced to follow suit.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: WMCoolmon on May 29, 2005, 10:54:45 pm
Pardon my naivete, but why would AMD have to add DRM to compete with Intel?
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Taristin on May 29, 2005, 10:58:36 pm
If AMD does, I will never buy another PC... in fact, I'll learn to code, and to make my own hardware, and create a motherboard that runs on 6 3200+'s all running sync. >.>
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Nuke on May 29, 2005, 11:14:40 pm
drm doesnt do **** if your files dont have a copyright bit set. and only .01% of my mp3 files have those.and most of the ones that do were leagally downloaded anyway.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Unknown Target on May 29, 2005, 11:17:08 pm
Yea, but that means people who buy off of iTunes or w/e = out of luck. Not only that, but AMD might have to put it on in order to get software manufacturer support.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: phatosealpha on May 30, 2005, 01:08:28 am
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Pardon my naivete, but why would AMD have to add DRM to compete with Intel?


Immediately, they don't.  The problem though, is that AMD doesn't have much market share, thus not a lot of practical say.  If content producers start making use of this DRM and enforcing it so that non-DRM enabled mobo's can't use DRM protected content, there's a big problem though.  Especially when you consider that one of the big proponents of DRM is microsoft.

If this catches on and they start producing software that can't run on non-DRM hardware - a distinct possibility because intel owns so much of the marketplace - AMD is faced with two choices.  Either implement DRM on their processors, or have processors which won't run protected content and software.  With their minimal market share, AMD isn't in a position to make demands or to make software/content producers make non-protected content - intel owns so much of the market that any losses due to not being able to run on AMD hardware is almost certainly going to be offset by casual piracy on Intel hardware being dettered.  Ends up being a situation of "comply or die sister, it's that simple."

worst case scenario?  Sure.  But we're talking Intel and Microsoft, not to mention all of hollywood and the RIAA - AMD, despite their benchmarks, just isn't a serious threat.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Dark RevenantX on May 30, 2005, 01:23:53 am
I think that AMD should invent a death star and threaten Microsoft into losing the DRM ****.  Freespace 2 might get a sudden patch that makes it need the legit thing!
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: WMCoolmon on May 30, 2005, 01:40:44 am
:wtf:
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: phatosealpha on May 30, 2005, 01:51:13 am
AMD can barely afford to build new fab plants or advertising, let alone a death star.

Besides....what kind of idiot build a super-battle station that takes 16 years to build but can be destroyed by one x-wing and two torpedos?  Not to mention, what kind of idiot builds a battlestation that take 16 years and gets blown up by a kid with an x-wing and two torpedos, then builds ANOTHER one of the friggin things?
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: aldo_14 on May 30, 2005, 04:28:22 am
Bill Gates?
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: kode on May 30, 2005, 07:30:32 am
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Originally posted by Raa
If AMD sells out to, I will be forced to make the jump to mac.


'cept apple and ibm are also tcpa, so it's all pretty much fuc-all. and yeah, VIA is too, so no luck there either.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Taristin on May 30, 2005, 08:45:38 am
Screw via. nVidia nForce all the way.
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: Singh on May 30, 2005, 09:05:07 am
*pats his AMD machine.

Bah. Give a few months and I can probably coax my father to find an Indian supplier that sells motherboards without the DRM :drevil:

Not that it matters anyway; I rarely download illegal stuff...most of my music is ripped directly from the games :p
Title: Intel to add DRM to new chips
Post by: kode on May 30, 2005, 10:51:25 am
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Originally posted by Raa
Screw via. nVidia nForce all the way.


I was talking about the fact that they make 586 compatible cpu's. I don't see nvidia have a license to do that.

not that nvidia isn't also a tcpa member.

http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-members.html