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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Styxx on June 07, 2005, 07:23:04 pm
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Apparently:
http://www.christiansciencemonitor.com/2005/0606/p25s01-stss.html
Not good as an energy source right now, but still, that's some neat stuff.
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That's pretty cool. :yes:
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Christian Science Monitor...:wtf:...talk about your oxymorons.
Anyway, looks cool :)
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Finally! A power source for my death ray :nervous:
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Wow... cool. Maybe we can make something out of this at last. :)
Originally posted by Unknown Target
Christian Science Monitor...:wtf:...talk about your oxymorons.
Hey! :p
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Didn't Dr.Octpus once almost invent cold fusion? And look where that ended up.
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Cool.
Funny how in Sci-Fi there's been quite a few references to crystals being an energy source etc.
Very interesting. :)
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Originally posted by Grug
Cool.
Funny how in Sci-Fi there's been quite a few references to crystals being an energy source etc.
Very interesting. :)
Or a storage device....turns out that works well too.
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Indeed. :)
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Originally posted by Rictor
Didn't Dr.Octpus once almost invent cold fusion? And look where that ended up.
No that was normal, hot, fusion, hence the big ball of fire.
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Goodnes gracious great balls of fire!
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****! Now we know how to make stars stop!
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okhay call me stupid but dont nuclear cores make a helluva bang when they fuze? i mean cmn look at the nuke ... yes the initial explosion to create the temp is big but after theat the Hydro atoms go kaboom
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I believe it when I see it,
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Originally posted by Janos
I believe it when I see it,
unfortunately i agree
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Originally posted by Ashrak
okhay call me stupid but dont nuclear cores make a helluva bang when they fuze? i mean cmn look at the nuke ... yes the initial explosion to create the temp is big but after theat the Hydro atoms go kaboom
Indeed, but mind you that's the result of a considerable chain reaction. They fuse lots and lots and lots of hydrogen together all at once (IIRC, by setting off a fission bomb around it, creating great heat and pressure) and those release so much energy that the other hydrogen atoms have enough energy to fuse, making more energy and so on til you run out of hydrogen.
This only seems to do 1 or 2 at a time, and while they give off energy, it's not enough to heat the rest of the atoms to the point of a chain reaction. Only the ones directly affected by the electric field can possibly fuse.
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who in the hell is dr. octopus?
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okhay call me stupid but dont nuclear cores make a helluva bang when they fuze? i mean cmn look at the nuke
Ok, you're stupid. :p
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Yess!! Now I can look forward to putting a Mr. Fusion on the back of my Mercury Sable!
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Interesting... i wonder how they were able tp keep it a secret for so long. it had to be made sometime.
Now the real fun begins. Who will use it for what. The oil industry need to crash :) We will never see better cources of energy unless they go.
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There has been an enormous amount of money spent on fusion because countries with no oil reserves want it (As does the American military so even the oil industry's desires come second).
As for whether this works or not I'm reserving judgement. 2 previous claims of cold fusion have proved to be complete bulls**t so I'm not going to start celebrating till I hear the responses of other phyicists.
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[color=66ff00]The entire point of a fusion reaction (from our point of view anyway) is to get a lot of energy output from a small energy input. As the article described the current system needs a large energy input to produce a small energy output.
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Well it's nothing more than a proof of concept at this stage. Next step is to find out the variables that influence it and only then can you start thinking about building a prototype that reverses the energy in- energy out ratio.
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[color=66ff00]From what I inferred from the article and my (not complete by a long shot) knowledge of particle physics the factors have been known for quite some time. (Unless you're referring to the factors in this specific system?)
I think the problem has always been implementation and not understanding.
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I think the problem has always been implementation and not understanding.
You're absolutly right.
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Originally posted by Dark RevenantX
****! Now we know how to make stars stop!
what? :wtf:
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Christian Science Monitor...:wtf:...talk about your oxymorons.
Anyway, looks cool :)
An oxymoron? Why do you think christianity and science are mutually exclusive? Quite the contrary..
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]From what I inferred from the article and my (not complete by a long shot) knowledge of particle physics the factors have been known for quite some time. (Unless you're referring to the factors in this specific system?) [/color]
I meant in this particular system. They'll spend a while on experiments like what happens if I turn dial A all the way up and turn Dial B down before they start building a prototype. The science is pretty well understood. The engineering might be a completely different matter :)
They'll want to spend a while optimising the small scale reactions before they attempt to scale them up :)
Originally posted by TrashMan
An oxymoron? Why do you think christianity and science are mutually exclusive? Quite the contrary..
I think UT confused christian scientists and creation scientists. The second one is an oxymoron. The first one depends on the person.
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An oxymoron? Why do you think christianity and science are mutually exclusive? Quite the contrary..
It is not supposed to be that way, but it is. Over the centuries, the christian church has proven itself to be very anti-technology, and very anti-progress.
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"Christian science" is not just a generic term that people throw around; there is a specific institution called The Church of Christian Science. Its members are famous for letting their children die of common ailments such as appendicitis because they reject modern medicine.
I'm not sure whether this newsletter is connected with that church, but the fact that it is reporting on a relevant scientific issue would lead me to conclude that it probably is not.
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Ok, now, I don't want to see another post about the name of the site on this thread. This is about cold fusion, not religiosity, its integration with sience and the implications of that. Future posts about it will be deleted, and the poster warned.
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Actually I want to go one farther than that Styxx (specifically, Re: Ford Prefect). You people really should learn to check your statements for anything RESEMBLING reality before you post. The Christian Science Monitor actually is a very reputable popular science journal, much like Discover, etc. It wouldn't take much background (or for that matter, just reading one of their articles) to find that out.
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Rather interestingly Seth Putterman one of the scientists involved in this experiment is also responsible for debunking (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/experiment_prog_summary.shtml) the claim of the Rusi Taleyarkhan to have achieved cold fusion via soniluminesence.
I'll let the tin foil hat brigade make of that what they will :)
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Originally posted by Janos
I believe it when I see it,
*kaboom* :eek:
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Originally posted by Swantz
who in the hell is dr. octopus?
Doctor Octopus or Dr. Otto Octavius was a scientist, nuclear physicist, I believe. He had a set of mechanical arms that he secured around his body to aide in his experiments. One day, an accident happened during an experiment that fused the arms to his body and gave him complete control over them with his mind, and he went "mad."
Doc Ock (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/droctopus.htm) is one of Spider-Man's arch enemies and a formidible one he is.
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Cool concept, but I'm sticking with tokamaks until I see some more info/confirmation.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Rather interestingly Seth Putterman one of the scientists involved in this experiment is also responsible for debunking (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/experiment_prog_summary.shtml) the claim of the Rusi Taleyarkhan to have achieved cold fusion via soniluminesence.
I'll let the tin foil hat brigade make of that what they will :)
Why am I not surprised...
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Surprised by what?
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Originally posted by Mongoose
Cool concept, but I'm sticking with tokamaks until I see some more info/confirmation.
the concepts of the tokamack reactors are more ahead of its time than is capable with current technologies, then again, the new "crystal" style these guys are tying to make like in star trek for example (i guess, bad example?), may end up in unison with the tokamack reactor concepts.
im not physicst, but the general idea makes a whole lot of sense, and is capable of being used, granted over time.
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I heard about this a few months ago.
I don't recall that these current crystals being used are specifically engineered to increase the EM field output, like the new lithium-ion batteries being developed with more surface area on the molecular scale.
This means that the process could be possibly made much more efficient.