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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: JoeLo on June 07, 2005, 08:40:19 pm
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Starcraft proabably the best RTS ever borrows a lot from on of the best Space sims ever.
Name and plot wise.
Valkryie is a bomber intercept fighter in both games and TErrans are huamns more to come later
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie
Personally, I've always thought the Vasudans and Protoss were somewhat similar. Not sure why :wtf: But I do.
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Using a really common fighter name between two games, and making humans in it does not a similarity make.
Ok, they're in space (starcraft only sometimes). They have aliens...they have humans...and it's sci fi.
By your logic practically every game ever made ripped off of Freespace 2. :wtf:
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If the StarCraft Valkyrie is supposed to be a homage to something, I'd put my bets on some sort of Anime. That would be in the Blizzard style.
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"Valkyrie" is a pretty common name. It just sounds cool.
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Starcaft always reminded me more of the Aliens universe more then the FS universe. Watch the movie(Aliens) then play the terran campain you'll see it.
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Originally posted by kv1at3485
If the StarCraft Valkyrie is supposed to be a homage to something, I'd put my bets on some sort of Anime. That would be in the Blizzard style.
I think it's more to the point than that:
In Norse myth, the Valkyries were group of women who scouted the battlefields and guided the best of the fallen warriors to Valhalla (the warriors afterlife, where they would train in preparation for Ragnarok or something I think).
In Starcraft (and FS), the Valkyrie is a woman who flies around the battlefield guiding (enemy) warriors into the afterlife.
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Originally posted by Fade Rathnik
Starcaft always reminded me more of the Aliens universe more then the FS universe. Watch the movie(Aliens) then play the terran campain you'll see it.
I think the cutscene you're thinking of is in the Zerg campaign.
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
Norse myth
replace that with asatru religion and il agree with you. valkyrie are actually what the angels in christian mythology (dont you find it offensive when somone denounces a religion as mythology) are based off of. seeing as asatru predates christianity by several thousand years, they should get brownie points or something.
the battle criuser is funny "take it slow" "make it happen" if you dont know where they got that idea, your not a geek, leave youre computer and gadgets on my desk and pick up a jock strap and a cheerleader on your way out.
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ok, i've thought of this before, but i must say, it all fits very well. we have terrans, the protoss as the vasudans (even the technology advancement is kinda noticable) and then we have the zerg. even their apearance with the zirglings is something kina like this...kinda....if you have ever played warhammer 40k then you would know of the tyranids. i havnt played that in so long but if i remember i always thought that they ripped of starcraft for them.
alos..anyone sayin that FS was ripped by SC has got to be joking....i am pretty sure that starcraft was made before FS anyway, therefopre predating the concept and being able to say that FS got the idea from SC..or perhaps it is just a coincidence...
thats what i think.... :)
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SC was made in 97, FS1 in 98, and FS2 in 99 :p
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thanks for that UT :)
so like i said then...the storry was either concieved off SC..which i forgot to point out....u know the whole...xel naga/ancients connections.
but yea, i think it is just a coincidence since it takes years to make games...
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Originally posted by JoeLo
Starcraft proabably the best RTS ever borrows a lot from on of the best Space sims ever.
Name and plot wise.
Valkryie is a bomber intercept fighter in both games and TErrans are huamns more to come later
Thats not much more than a toothpick to stand on. Sure there are some similarities and if you look around at the sci-fi genre in general you see a ton of the same stories and plotlines and names used over and over again. Its the popular discourse of the genres both on TV, in theaters, and on the computer screen to use these elements over and over again.
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Originally posted by IceFire
Thats not much more than a toothpick to stand on. Sure there are some similarities and if you look around at the sci-fi genre in general you see a ton of the same stories and plotlines and names used over and over again. Its the popular discourse of the genres both on TV, in theaters, and on the computer screen to use these elements over and over again.
this is quite true. i must say though that there is another sci-fi genre that stays away from alot of this....this is my all time favourite....DUNE
in the later...it find enemies of its own race....sticks more to a reality of now instead of creating crazy other races to be the enemy (all hail humanity in otherwords)
though, if you go back into the days of the butlerian jihad..then youve got the "thinking machines" and the "titans"/"neo's" (cymecks) but, the thinking machines were created after the cymecks(human brains with machine bodies) took over the human race and got lazy...giving birth to the ever watching "Omnius" enlsaving humanity and the cymecks for about 1000 years....untill they both rise up and the humans come out victorius blah blah...
i think this to be one of the most realistic sci-fi worlds ever created ever....does anyone agree?
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Now, I dunno about you guys, but I figure the Valk (SC) got it's name from the VF-1 Valkyrie of Macross/Robotech fame. Can't be arsed with this roundabout shieldmaiden rubbish. :D
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hmm...perhaps there is no conection with the name and the unit....why do the makers of the game have to do this? i cant see why they cant go and call soemthing a poo haler even though its a ship thats shoots stuff....i mean...not everything ahs to be based of something else....
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Originally posted by Kosh
I think the cutscene you're thinking of is in the Zerg campaign.
Actually the movie he's talking about is Aliens (http://imdb.com/title/tt0090605/), 1986 sci-fi flick by James Cameron. Still, that cutscene did remind me of both Alien and Aliens when I saw it, so I see where he's coming at.
And I agree with the Terran campaign reference, too. First time I played through it, the Mar Sara missions just felt evil and an Alien-style atmosphere anyway.
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Its the dropship pilots that seal it for me. Click on them a couple of times and they start doing shameless rip offs of pheros'(sp, the dropship pilot in Aliens) lines.
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Originally posted by nuclear1
Actually the movie he's talking about is Aliens (http://imdb.com/title/tt0090605/), 1986 sci-fi flick by James Cameron. Still, that cutscene did remind me of both Alien and Aliens when I saw it, so I see where he's coming at.
And I agree with the Terran campaign reference, too. First time I played through it, the Mar Sara missions just felt evil and an Alien-style atmosphere anyway.
Er, I think what he means is that the cutscene in starcraft that most screams "Aliens" is Battle on the Amerigo, which is part of the zerg campagin.
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Personally, I've always thought the Vasudans and Protoss were somewhat similar. Not sure why :wtf: But I do.
The sound of their voices?
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starcraft did pic fun at a lot of sci-fi. and such. most of the people in the special thanks section were those who had someting of theres made fun of in the games. i notices aliens got picked on (dropship), st:tng (battlecriuser), contact (archon), dune (the dead worms in the desert terrain of brood war), to name a few. if freespace would have come out before starcraft, they would have made fun of it too.
as for the dune universe, id have to admit its somewhat original and doesnt have an alien in sight, cept the worms. ive never read the books and probibly wont, as my brain isnt really compatable with reading. i would like to know more about what happened before where the movies picked up. dune has about 8000 years of unexplained human history.
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ok, about dune...
it did have about 10000 years of unexplained history..but biran hurbert and kevin j anderson have cleard that up for alot of this world with the 3 "prelude to dune" books, "house atredies" "house harkonen" and "house corrino"
this explains the bits leading up to the start of the dune books...like why the atredies got dune and about the son instead of the daughter with jessica and stuff...
they also did 3 books like 1000 or 10000 years before..i cant remember the timeline...
this is the butlerian jihad series...it explains where the sheilds came from...where space folding came from..why the harkonens hate the atredies so much and vice versa, how the spice was found and how it became the biggest thing in the univers...ow the sister hood of the bene geserites were formed(they were atredies decendents), where the suk doctors came from, how house corrino formed (they were actually harkonen) where sword masters came from, how mentats were mad, how the thinking machines were destroyed and the starting of the spacing guild and so on.
it is very cleverly intertwined and stuff...oh andit also tell of whey the fremen are called fremen (it does come from free men) and how the first person descoverd how to ride the worms...and why there are some city dwelling fremen and deep desert fremen...
shows where glow globes come from too...umm...the cornnos should actually hate the harkonens too. but they were once harkonens...then they were butlers..and then they were corrinos.
umm..any more questions...ask me :)
i never knew that those worms were from dune in brood war...hee, cool
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The Terran Dropship always reminded me somewhat of the GTB Athena.
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Originally posted by Setekh
The sound of their voices?
That, and the idea that both talk alot about fighting with honor and fighting for the Homeworld/Emperor.
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Originally posted by psycho_fergo
i never knew that those worms were from dune in brood war...hee, cool
The worms are in at least a dozen other scifi universes.
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i just linked sand -> worms -> dune! its one of the many things that made starcraft great.
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I think the gameplay and story elements had a bit to do about that too :nervous:
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It's a well known fact Blizzard likes to poke fun at things in their games. They should make a sequel. Starcraft was awesome.
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Originally posted by psycho_fergo
ok, about dune...
it did have about 10000 years of unexplained history..but biran hurbert and kevin j anderson have cleard that up for alot of this world with the 3 "prelude to dune" books, "house atredies" "house harkonen" and "house corrino"
this explains the bits leading up to the start of the dune books...like why the atredies got dune and about the son instead of the daughter with jessica and stuff...
they also did 3 books like 1000 or 10000 years before..i cant remember the timeline...
this is the butlerian jihad series...it explains where the sheilds came from...where space folding came from..why the harkonens hate the atredies so much and vice versa, how the spice was found and how it became the biggest thing in the univers...ow the sister hood of the bene geserites were formed(they were atredies decendents), where the suk doctors came from, how house corrino formed (they were actually harkonen) where sword masters came from, how mentats were mad, how the thinking machines were destroyed and the starting of the spacing guild and so on.
it is very cleverly intertwined and stuff...oh andit also tell of whey the fremen are called fremen (it does come from free men) and how the first person descoverd how to ride the worms...and why there are some city dwelling fremen and deep desert fremen...
shows where glow globes come from too...umm...the cornnos should actually hate the harkonens too. but they were once harkonens...then they were butlers..and then they were corrinos.
umm..any more questions...ask me :)
i never knew that those worms were from dune in brood war...hee, cool
did they ever explain what happened to earth?
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In one of the early battles of the Butlerian Jihad, the human fleet nuked the crap out of it to destroy the machine presence there.
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cool, sounds like something i would do :D
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No kidding? :D
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Originally posted by nuclear1
That, and the idea that both talk alot about fighting with honor and fighting for the Homeworld/Emperor.
and that they're both technologically advanced... they have weak bodies and rely on heavy armor,
etc.
:)
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actually i noticed a big correlation between WC3 and SC :)
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They're the same game with different units? :p
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on earth...there was a big uprising and some humans escaped...one being an atredies. he was the sone of the cymek titan agamemnon and he had had a life extension treatment and lived for like...a very very long time...he was still alive like 200 years or something later...
i wish they explained who took out salusa secundus though...they said that that family was removed from all records...and also...how the hell did they bring corrin back to being a good planet..after the machines had stripped it if all usable elements while defending it.
anyway..i think dune is an awesome game..and should be made into a better game than alread exists...but i think it is a touchy thing to do, because you cant just make somethng up....it has to be in cannon with the books exactly...that is a hard thing to do..