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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The FRED Workshop => Topic started by: DarthWang on June 16, 2005, 05:25:35 am

Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: DarthWang on June 16, 2005, 05:25:35 am
I have a pretty interesting idea, but I'm wondering if it will work, and if anyone has ever tryed anything like it before.

I'm thinking about making a mission with a planetary bombardment, my idea is to have a huge background pic of a planet in the mission and have some capships move toward it with waypoints, and then stop and use their beams to fire on a few, small, sensor - invisible targets so it looks like they're attacking the planet itself. I would also make the targets invulnerable so the bombardment would keep up as long as I wanted it.
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: karajorma on June 16, 2005, 06:20:57 am
The idea isn't new but I don't ever remember seeing it actually being done in a mission.
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: aldo_14 on June 16, 2005, 06:57:28 am
I have a feeling the inverse may have been done (beam from a planet), though; I'm sure it's one of the POTDs on the mainpage.

I'd suggest looking at having a big flat plane with an alpha mapped planet texture (rather than a bg image; I think TBP use this method), and adding subsystems to it which can act as the beam targets.  IMO that might be useful in order to avoid any problems with perspective.

EDIT; http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/hlp/item_show.php?itm=200
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: pyro-manic on June 16, 2005, 12:23:17 pm
I remember playing a campaign which uses this. I think it might have been Boomerang. A Moloch bombards bunkers on a planet, and you have to destroy the turrets before it can finish the job.
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: Slanker_MT on June 16, 2005, 12:48:21 pm
Are you sure? I haven't played Boomerand for ages, but I reckon that it had a tactical jump from a Moloch.. not sure about the bombardement, though.
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Post by: Roanoke on June 16, 2005, 12:51:57 pm
Getter Robo G mentioned he used do a similar trick a while ago, IIRC.
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: Unknown Target on June 16, 2005, 02:24:36 pm
Why don't you just make the planet a model and have the ships actually attack it? Unless you were going for a no-mods approach.
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: pyro-manic on June 16, 2005, 03:19:52 pm
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Originally posted by Slanker_MT
Are you sure? I haven't played Boomerand for ages, but I reckon that it had a tactical jump from a Moloch.. not sure about the bombardement, though.


Hummm. You might be right. All I remember was it was short, and involved a Moloch. Boomerang is the one with the tactical jump, though...
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: Blaise Russel on June 16, 2005, 04:59:07 pm
General idea of 'faking' beam attacks has been around for yonks, be it for orbital bombardment, planetary cannons or even just missing an enemy capital ship at long range (c.f. Derelict).

I definitely know STLO has the Lucifer raining beamage down on Vasuda Prime.
Title: Re: Has this been done before?
Post by: Grunt on June 17, 2005, 10:03:51 am
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Originally posted by DarthWang
...idea is to have a huge background pic of a planet in the mission and have some capships move toward it with waypoints, and then stop and use their beams to fire on a few, small, sensor - invisible targets so it looks like they're attacking the planet itself. ...


Exactly the opposite is done in TCP - Chapter One last mission:

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,32543.0.html

Planetary guns firing on ships from the surface.
It should work well with a background image as you described.
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Post by: NGTM-1R on June 17, 2005, 12:47:36 pm
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
I remember playing a campaign which uses this. I think it might have been Boomerang. A Moloch bombards bunkers on a planet, and you have to destroy the turrets before it can finish the job.


That's Technological Superiority, I think.
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Post by: Flaser on June 17, 2005, 04:06:10 pm
If I recall there was a planetary canon in one of the Lightning Marshall episodes too.
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Post by: Mongoose on June 18, 2005, 03:30:52 am
I know I've also seen this done in a campaign, although I can't for the life of me remember which one. :p
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: RED DIAMOND on June 18, 2005, 08:29:32 am
While it has been done before, it matters not, as long as it fits into your mission or campaign. A new feature or trick that was groundbreaking when it was first introduced can be reused in ways that are just as creative as the original time it was used. Even if it is a straight rehash it can still be effective if used properly.
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: DarthWang on June 19, 2005, 06:10:48 am
I was just wondering if anyone had done it before because they might have tips.
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: Roanoke on June 19, 2005, 05:46:49 pm
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Originally posted by ngtm1r


That's Technological Superiority, I think.


was :(

I still think that's an ace name for a campaign
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: DarthWang on June 21, 2005, 09:07:49 am
I just made a mission like this, I'm pretty much finished with it I just have to do the briefing now.

You have to stop a Ravana before it reaches position and attacks the planet, and if it gets off too many shots you lose the mission. You have to destroy it or disable it before it gets in range or destroy its beams.
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Post by: Jetmech Jr. on June 21, 2005, 12:23:50 pm
Are you sure it was Tech Sup? I Thought it was the Aeos Affair that had the Moloch Bombardment.

In regards to the thread, yes, it's been done before. Not often, though.
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Post by: NGTM-1R on June 21, 2005, 12:48:22 pm
Very sure. I recall that mission quite well. The Shivans were going a little whacky, and for the first time in their history with the GTA/PVN/GTVA sent in ground troops. In relatively open terran, a Vasudan marine unit found them easy pickings.
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: aldo_14 on June 21, 2005, 12:50:23 pm
I find the phrase 'Vasudan marine' a bit odd, what with the whole born on a desert planet thing.
Title: Has this been done before?
Post by: NGTM-1R on June 21, 2005, 01:07:50 pm
Well, so do I, but I just blamed Command.