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Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 09, 2001, 09:09:00 pm
I have almost completed work on the Kushan Firelance Frigate (just need to do engine glows and fix the textures).
I have a few shots posted here (//"http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/iverach/firelance.html")

[edit] We plan on making our own weapon effects later on, that BFRed is waaay to big for that ship [/edit]

[This message has been edited by Thorn (edited 11-09-2001).]
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: jonskowitz on November 09, 2001, 09:50:00 pm
That looks great.  I've always liked the ships and thier interactions in HW.  My only beef with the game is I think they downplayed fighters too much.
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: LAW ENFORCER on November 09, 2001, 09:56:00 pm
Ok who let the smoke grenade go

P.S the top one looks like it in HW at the mo.!!!
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Nico on November 10, 2001, 05:40:00 am
cool  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) but the shivan beam is different than the one one the top pic (on purpose?)
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Unknown Target on November 10, 2001, 05:58:00 am
Don't suppose you need some help?
I'm too lazy to do all my campaign work (hint, hint, nudge, nudge), and nothing much is going on at the RT MOD, so I'm free.
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 10, 2001, 07:17:00 am
 
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Originally posted by venom2506:
cool   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) but the shivan beam is different than the one one the top pic (on purpose?)

The top pic is a render, like it says...
But we plan on making our own weapon effects...
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Nico on November 10, 2001, 07:30:00 am
As I've never played HW, I'm really looking forward this mod so I can discover that universe  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
But I've heard many times fighters were useless in HW. I expect some big balance change I suppose?  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 10, 2001, 07:45:00 am
Definitely, fighters/bombers are going to make a huge difference in ship battles now, I'm not sure about this one, but I don't think corvettes are going to be player flyable. They will still be dangerous to fighters, but they wont eat them like in HW. The missile destroyer wont be able to take out wings of fighters in 2 seconds, but it will still offer enough deterrent to make you think twice before hitting it, or a ship its gaurding. The ramming friagates and mimmics are going to be the hardest ships to do. We may just end up making the mimmic a stealth ship (but still kamakaze) instead of trying to figure a way to make it cloak, change shape etc... The ramming frigate will have to be scripted into every mission :/
The multi-beam frigate is gonna be fun though  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 10, 2001, 09:25:00 am
 
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Originally posted by Unkown Target:
Don't suppose you need some help?
I'm too lazy to do all my campaign work (hint, hint, nudge, nudge), and nothing much is going on at the RT MOD, so I'm free.

Once we finish the ships and weapons we could use someone who can do some fairly advanced mission scripting...
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Ace on November 10, 2001, 02:40:00 pm
Fighters in Homeworld ineffective? Support vessels with fighters docked as carriers can bring slaughterfests to most enemy formations if reinforced with a few corvettes.

For a Homeworld to FS conversion, I would have corvettes as player craft, just make the main guns turrets. (and have a key SEXPTed to lock down and unlock the turrets, the guns themselves fire at your current hostile target)

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Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: LAW ENFORCER on November 10, 2001, 03:02:00 pm
That would be ACE! (ya see what ive done there?)
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Nico on November 10, 2001, 03:39:00 pm
a bad joke (one I could have said)?
 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
"notices something in law enforcers eyes, and quickly runs away"
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: jonskowitz on November 10, 2001, 05:38:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Thorn:
...but I don't think corvettes are going to be player flyable...

I agree with Ace.  Give them some normal gunz and have the AI run the turrets as normal.


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Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Alikchi on November 10, 2001, 06:34:00 pm
Personally, I think the IW2 engine would be better for this, but this is not unwelcome. Well done, I was wanting to do this  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 10, 2001, 06:55:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
I agree with Ace.  Give them some normal gunz and have the AI run the turrets as normal.



Hmm, a fighter(more like a bomber) with 4 turrets and 2 primaries..Hmm I guess that wouldnt be too bad, wed have to modify it a bit so it wouldnt kill every fighter in  range  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: jonskowitz on November 10, 2001, 07:29:00 pm
But I thought that's what MG corvettes were for  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif) (j/k)

You're right of course.  If you make the MG corvettes to godawful powerful then that's all people will use...

Of course, there's the fact that the things were pretty pathetic against capships so even if they were mean as all hell they're not always the right weapon for the job.

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Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Alikchi on November 10, 2001, 08:24:00 pm
Ya know what's going to be fun? Attack bombers.
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 10, 2001, 08:26:00 pm
Hehe..
yeah, slow, ligltly armored, only one weapon (but powerful), hehe, yeah.. fun..
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: jonskowitz on November 10, 2001, 08:38:00 pm
Ya'know, the way the FS engine handles turrets I'm not so sure it's such a hot idea to have the attack bomber lightly armored... not if it's actually going to go after capships.

That reminds me, are you going to have the sideslip capability enabled in this conversion?  
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Unknown Target on November 10, 2001, 08:40:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by venom2506:

But I've heard many times fighters were useless in HW. I expect some big balance change I suppose?   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

You must be thinking of HW: Cataclysm, the sequel.
The fighters are well-nigh useless.
However, in HW, the fighters are the most important class you have  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)


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Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Unknown Target on November 10, 2001, 08:42:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:


That reminds me, are you going to have the sideslip capability enabled in this conversion?  

If you don't know how to do this, I'll tell you...


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Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 10, 2001, 08:45:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
That reminds me, are you going to have the sideslip capability enabled in this conversion?  

I dont even know what that is :/
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Unknown Target on November 10, 2001, 08:47:00 pm
It's when the ships can "slide", like in real life.
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 10, 2001, 08:49:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Unkown Target:
It's when the ships can "slide", like in real life.

Ahh, is that what those other velocity settings are for?
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: jonskowitz on November 10, 2001, 09:56:00 pm
yup.  The default controls are numpad '1', '3', '+', and '-' (I think).
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Alikchi on November 10, 2001, 09:56:00 pm
IW2.
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 10, 2001, 10:27:00 pm
Ok, probably on the lighter ships, like Scouts, Interceptors and Acolytes...
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: jonskowitz on November 10, 2001, 10:45:00 pm
But, wasn't it was always the heavier stuff like corvettes that used it the most?
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Setekh on November 11, 2001, 03:25:00 am
Gee, whoever named that craft must've been pretty inspired...  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 11, 2001, 08:12:00 am
You've never seen scouts set on normal tactics, parked in front of your MS dancing around because there is an enemy ship within range? They dance like crazy..
Corvettes ok, I'll do it this way..
Corvettes can slide very slowly and fighters can slide slightly faster...
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 11, 2001, 08:47:00 am
The Firelance is finally complete, it will be available for download soon...
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: StarGunner on November 11, 2001, 04:08:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Thorn:
The Firelance is finally complete, it will be available for download soon...

I love the Drone frigget will it be there in the mod?

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Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 11, 2001, 04:47:00 pm
It might be, were working mainly on the ships in Cataclysm. Once we finish those we may do the origional Homeworld ships...
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Carl on November 11, 2001, 07:56:00 pm
are you gonna make both Kushan and Tiidan, Sally?
Title: Firelance Frigate Nearly Completed
Post by: Thorn on November 11, 2001, 08:09:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Carl:
are you gonna make both Kushan and Tiidan?

It will have Kushan, Taidan, Somtaaw, Beast and Turanic Raider ships...