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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: adwight on June 20, 2005, 08:59:29 pm
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Well, I just recently learned that NCAA Football 2006 is not coming out for my gamecube, but it is rather coming out on the other two systems. There seems to be absolutely no sense to this move, as the previous 3 were on gamecube. Why would EA do this, making me get another console just to play NCAA Football 2006. I love the NCAA Football franchise, but I do not want to have to get an entire different console to play it. Screw you EA, you and your PS2 and XBOX bandwagoness.
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Hey, it's great to see another person with the much under-appreciated Cube, not many around these days...
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I'm getting one when the new Zelda game comes out...
It actually looks pretty good, not like some stupidass little kid running around.
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Originally posted by adwight
Well, I just recently learned that NCAA Football 2006 is not coming out for my gamecube, but it is rather coming out on the other two systems. There seems to be absolutely no sense to this move, as the previous 3 were on gamecube. Why would EA do this, making me get another console just to play NCAA Football 2006. I love the NCAA Football franchise, but I do not want to have to get an entire different console to play it. Screw you EA, you and your PS2 and XBOX bandwagoness.
It's called "economics". It's probably more profitable to give Cube users the finger. Deal with it.
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Well, your first mistake is enjoying sports video games. Be mindful of your feelings, Padawan. Sports games are the path to the Lame Side. You must shed your fear of losing these games, and concentrate on cool games with killing and explosions.
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Well, your first mistake is enjoying sports video games. Be mindful of your feelings, Padawan. Sports games are the path to the Lame Side. You must shed your fear of losing these games, and concentrate on cool games with killing and explosions.
gamecube sorta lacks those games too:doubt:
But I hope revolution kicks arse!
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Gamecube is done with.
As soon as Nintendo announces a new box coming out, everything they made thus far is left behind.
People who know more about this (I personally don't give a **** myself), took a days time to talk about it, such as Absath over at CAD.
(http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/images/comics/20050606.jpg)
I'm also betting in the case of EA, it's much more profitable to make the game for PS2 or Xbox, seeing as how those two systems are what the general "gaming" society owns. By now, everyone knows that signing up a game with Nintendo on the Gamecube, is signing a game with the losing team.
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the cube has better graphics than the ps2, and has sold more than the box...
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I think the Gamecube has sold 1 million less (globally) than the Xbox. I couldn't give a monkeys about NDADFDSSDCSFSDFG Footbal (which isn't football, of course), for myself it was a lack of Pro Evo that screwed the Gamecube.
Although i think the Nintendo DS is outselling the PSP and PS2 combined in Japan at the moment, so I doubt Nintendo will really care.
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
It's called "economics". It's probably more profitable to give Cube users the finger. Deal with it.
simple fact: in tasmanian stores, the gamecube is simply not sold here.. at all.. most stores don't even stock the games.
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Shame really as a pure, for-games-only machine was a good idea, especially when it was new.
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The only good things that ever came out for the Gamecube as far as I'm concerned were Twin Snakes, Resident Evil 4 and Eternal Darkness. And possibly the new Zelda game, but if it's as frustrating as Wind Waker (I personally couldn't care less about the childish graphics) it's getting sold too.
The Revolution has backwards compatibility with the Gamecube though. But even then I'm not sure I'm going to buy it, considering how much of a disappointment the Cube was for me.
Originally posted by kode
the cube has better graphics than the ps2
That's really only in theory. There are very few games which actually take advantage of the Gamecube's technology from what I've seen, most of the games look like PS2 games.
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Originally posted by Ransom Arceihn
The only good things that ever came out for the Gamecube as far as I'm concerned were Twin Snakes, Resident Evil 4 and Eternal Darkness. And possibly the new Zelda game, but if it's as frustrating as Wind Waker (I personally couldn't care less about the childish graphics) it's getting sold too.
The Revolution has backwards compatibility with the Gamecube though. But even then I'm not sure I'm going to buy it, considering how much of a disappointment the Cube was for me.
That's really only in theory. There are very few games which actually take advantage of the Gamecube's technology from what I've seen, most of the games look like PS2 games.
indeed, look at the amount of graphics pushing the latter generation of PS2 games do these days.. RE4 is aparrently the only GC game that really pushes the hardware, as it were.
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Originally posted by Turnsky
simple fact: in tasmanian stores, the gamecube is simply not sold here.. at all.. most stores don't even stock the games.
Are you sure they haven't just, you know, not come out down there yet?
:p
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Never buy an EA game, they are corporate whores and deserve to die.
I reckon the new Nintendo Revolution might actually make a good buy vs the new consoles. Although the graphics will probably only be similar to Xbox1, it will probably cost half as much compared to the other new ones. Plus its so small.
If it's cheap enough I'll grab one, just so I can carry it around my pocket and whack fanboi's over the head with it. :D
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
Are you sure they haven't just, you know, not come out down there yet?
:p
oh har har.. no, it's because harvey norman are being console elitist bastards about it.
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LoL.
Never buy from Harvey Norman, they are corporate whores and deserve to die.
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Originally posted by Grug
Never buy an EA game, they are corporate whores and deserve to die.
I reckon the new Nintendo Revolution might actually make a good buy vs the new consoles. Although the graphics will probably only be similar to Xbox1, it will probably cost half as much compared to the other new ones. Plus its so small.
If it's cheap enough I'll grab one, just so I can carry it around my pocket and whack fanboi's over the head with it. :D
i don't know i have enjoyed quite a few EA games
Nintendo is stuck with the "cute console" syndrome. "Cute games", even if they are ingenious and revolutionary, rarely sell as well as Halos and GTAs. GCs sales are low outside of Japan, and it's not economically profitable to make some types of games for Cube. It doesn't matter if it's a superior system - the marketing sucks, the console has weird reputation and quite a few people - even myself - rather play Halo 2 than Pikmin. Sucks to be Gamecube.
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Pikmin was the one game I was considering getting Gamecube for, and I own and am an abid fan of Halo2...
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Originally posted by Grug
Pikmin was the one game I was considering getting Gamecube for, and I own and am an abid fan of Halo2...
Doesn't matter. It's just an example - that's what people think of when GC is mentione (if they think anything at all). If you say PS2, people go all "ooooh, GTA:SA!". If you say XBOX people go "oooh! Halo [huge]!" If you say Gamecube, people stare at you with their blank cowlike stares, thinking of mating, food and maybe Super Mario.
Bad reputation, managment and marketing has destroyed bunches of good franchises, while the bad yet well marketed just march on.
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I don't think Nintendo really care much. They cater to their Japanese fan base first. The rest of the world is mostly an afterthought.
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Nintendos bad reputation is entirely their own fault. Basically, their marketing head is stuck in 1984. Now, that was OK when their only major competitor was Sega and the average age of console gamers was 12 but that all changed when Sony released the original PlayStation. Sony changed the face of the console market. It's never been about the hardware, it's not even really about the games anymore. Mainstream popular culture is the new battlefield and brand strength, recognition and loyalty are the new weapons. Sony created that, MS get it (even if it's only through "monkey see, monkey do" with MS trying to replicate Sony's success by simply copying what they percieve to be the root of it) but unless Nintendo recognise that times have drastically changed and change their tactics to suit then they're destined to languish at the bottom of sales charts.
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Actually, I think Nintendos current tactics are spot on; they're targeting pretty much everyone but the 15-30 male age demographic that Sony and Microsoft are fighting over. The DS has been a massive success, for example, because of that.
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Nintendo have always targeted the "everyone but the 15-30 male age demographic", they never really thought that their buyers would grow up and want games/consoles that reflected that. Sony snuck up behind them and launched the console markets own version of Pearl Harbour. The DS has only really been successful due to the strength of Nintendo's Game Boy brand, if Nintendo's hold on the handheld market wasn't anywhere near as strong as it is then the DS would be destined to the same fate as such things as the Atari Lynx, the Sega Game Gear and more than likely the Sony PSP.
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IMO, Nintendo would be able to survive only by their handeld system. And frankly, I like them for the way they make fun and innovative game time and time again, instead of always shipping out variations of the same game.
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Nintendo are just as guilty as shipping variations on the same game as anybody else, they've been whoring the same 3 or 4 franchises (Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda and possibly Metroid) out for the past twenty years.
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
Nintendo have always targeted the "everyone but the 15-30 male age demographic", they never really thought that their buyers would grow up and want games/consoles that reflected that. Sony snuck up behind them and launched the console markets own version of Pearl Harbour. The DS has only really been successful due to the strength of Nintendo's Game Boy brand, if Nintendo's hold on the handheld market wasn't anywhere near as strong as it is then the DS would be destined to the same fate as such things as the Atari Lynx, the Sega Game Gear and more than likely the Sony PSP.
I think you'll find that 'outside the 15-30 male demographic' refers to both older and younger. And particularly female (I've read a lot of stories indicating that the Ds is popular with female, older and more casual gamers due to it's simplicity of control). And it's sold a ****load, too, even with direct competition from the PSP. So I think it'd be a bit stupid to dismiss it that casually.
Do bear in mind i said 'current strategy'. Nintendos marketing was screwed up all the way since the N64, and they're now making a concentrated shift in targeting this area, and through specific hardware design.
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[color=66ff00]From the last statistics I saw about a month ago the big N hold a 4% share of the western world's console market, Sony have a little over 50% IIRC.
Nintendo have always catered for gamers primarily, their machines are testament to that. I for one thought the cartoonish style of windwaker was fantastic, pseudo-realistic dungeon games are being released in hordes, Shigeru has always been about style and substance; Windwaker personifies both. :nod:
BTW I'll be playing Shenmue 3 on whatever console it comes out on, some games push themselves above the platforms they are released on and demand playing.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]From the last statistics I saw about a month ago the big N hold a 4% share of the western world's console market, Sony have a little over 50% IIRC.
Nintendo have always catered for gamers primarily, their machines are testament to that. I for one thought the cartoonish style of windwaker was fantastic, pseudo-realistic dungeon games are being released in hordes, Shigeru has always been about style and substance; Windwaker personifies both. :nod:
BTW I'll be playing Shenmue 3 on whatever console it comes out on, some games push themselves above the platforms they are released on and demand playing.
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Western, though. I think the global (non-portable) Market would be something like 55 25 20 (Sony, MS, Nintendo), given the relative parity of the Xbox and Gamecube in overall sales.
Albiet maybe that's the point (good in Japan, bad in west). Although if they're doing well in Japan but not the US, and MS' situation is the exact reverse.... why criticise only one of the 2?
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Originally posted by Genryu
IMO, Nintendo would be able to survive only by their handeld system. And frankly, I like them for the way they make fun and innovative game time and time again, instead of always shipping out variations of the same game.
That's right, they're so original with mario golf, mario tennis, mario kart, mario swimming pool and mario kitchen :D
"next month on nintendo DS: Mario Laundry!!!!!1111"
Hem, sorry, sometimes they're doing a donkey kong game or a zelda game too :p
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Actually, it seems to me like the Playstation has the most unique, innovative games. Partly due to the sheer volume of games for it.
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Don't listen to Mario's lies. (http://www.aethiamud.org/communist_mario/)
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Don't listen to Mario's lies. (http://www.aethiamud.org/communist_mario/)
:lol:
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RoFL @ communist Mario. :lol:
Although if they're doing well in Japan but not the US, and MS' situation is the exact reverse.... why criticise only one of the 2?
Because us round eye's don't understand the Japanese tastes \ culture, and they don't fully understand ours. It's two very different cultures destined to clash. :p
I wonder how popular Halo is over in the east.
In the west, there is that whole yankee attitude of a big tanked out unstoppable force kicking the crap out of everything.
In the east, well I'm not sure entirely, but I think it involves bright flashing colours and collectible items?
Just different perspectives and customs I guess, as there always have been, and always will be. :)
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Originally posted by Grug
Never buy an EA game, they are corporate whores and deserve to die.
Originally posted by Grug
Never buy from Harvey Norman, they are corporate whores and deserve to die.
Communist Grug? :shaking:
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
Nintendo are just as guilty as shipping variations on the same game as anybody else, they've been whoring the same 3 or 4 franchises (Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda and possibly Metroid) out for the past twenty years.
I can agree with the whoring of Mario and Donkey Kong, but how can you say they are whoring Zelda and Metroid, 2 of the best game franchises out there, with none of the games actually sucking (except for a really old zelda...)?
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Originally posted by Raa
Communist Grug? :shaking:
:nervous:
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Originally posted by Grug
RoFL @ communist Mario. :lol:
Because us round eye's don't understand the Japanese tastes \ culture, and they don't fully understand ours. It's two very different cultures destined to clash. :p
I wonder how popular Halo is over in the east.
In the west, there is that whole yankee attitude of a big tanked out unstoppable force kicking the crap out of everything.
In the east, well I'm not sure entirely, but I think it involves bright flashing colours and collectible items?
Just different perspectives and customs I guess, as there always have been, and always will be. :)
I don't think Halo is popular atall. Neither is GTA AFAIK.
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
Actually, it seems to me like the Playstation has the most unique, innovative games. Partly due to the sheer volume of games for it.
have you seen some of the games out for gc and ds?
WarioWare has got to be one of the oddest and most unique games out there (and addicting).
I really don't see too many games out from Sony that make me think them as original or innovative