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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on June 22, 2005, 12:28:50 am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4114824.stm
Bush is backing Vietnam. Doesn't anyone find this just a little hypocritical? I mean the US invaded a country not too long ago because it was run by a bad regime and then goes on and on about freedom and democracy, but he then turns around and helps to support a communist state.
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See, you have to keep in mind when criticising Bush that, well, he's not the one who's doing this. Remember that he is simply a Puppet for his Adminitration (a widely believed fact i'll have you know), Bush is just a front man, the face of the Group behind the scenes, he has pretty much NO say as to what goes on and what he supports...to the REAL powers that be in the US, all he is, is a Hand-shake and a Smile, that's all...
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Oh, so now it's "kill him when he does, kill him when he doesn't", eh? Nice.
Goodbye. *leaves thread*
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Vietnam is wanting to join the WTO so the only reason we're being so nice is something called "cheap labor".
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Kosh: Not at all. Iraq didn't like the US, the US didn't like it. Vietnam is speaking to the US.
What Bush is doing is sending a message to the rest of the world. Maybe not a friendly one, but anyone who believes the US would invade a country just because it doesn't like the government needs to do a lot more reading. Or change their primary news source from Fox.
Originally posted by Mefustae
See, you have to keep in mind when criticising Bush that, well, he's not the one who's doing this. Remember that he is simply a Puppet for his Adminitration (a widely believed fact i'll have you know), Bush is just a front man, the face of the Group behind the scenes, he has pretty much NO say as to what goes on and what he supports...to the REAL powers that be in the US, all he is, is a Hand-shake and a Smile, that's all...
I've heard this touted often, but I've never seen any proof. Usually it's based on the assumption that Bush is stupid. But I'm a little incredulous that someone could really be that dumb. I think it's more likely that someone would be smart enough to appear that dumb.
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as far as I can remember, Vietnam, recently, hasn't really done anything bad.
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Huh huh. (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/06/21/vietna11177.htm)
Well, if you mean 'Vietnam, recently, hasn't really done anything bad' to the America, well, here, you're right. But then, so did Irak. Except if you count the money lost by bombing the countryweekly.
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Power to horses!
Hem, sorry, couldn't resist.
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Weird man. That's all I can add.
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
What Bush is doing is sending a message to the rest of the world. Maybe not a friendly one, but anyone who believes the US would invade a country just because it doesn't like the government needs to do a lot more reading. Or change their primary news source from Fox.
Pretty god-dammed mixed message in the same week Rice promised to support democracy at the expense of stability. Or something.
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We do we even talk about this **** anymore? It never goes anywhere and 9 times out of 10 nothing ever comes from it, nobody ever learns anything constructive, and it goes downhill from post 1. So just do yourselves a favor and kill this thread.
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Vietnam is a different country now. Yes, it's still communist, but it's a rising economic star and George Bush and co. want in on it. Plus, they want to join the WTO, from what I've read in this thread, so it's all economic based.
Just because they were enemies in the past doesn't mean they have to be enemies in the future (look at Britian and America).
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[q]n addition to trade ties, the US also sees Vietnam as strategically important in a region where China's influence is increasingly strong, says BBC state department correspondent Jonathan Beale.
Mr Khai is due to hold talks with US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to discuss military ties.
Mr Khai has told The Washington Post that the two will announce that Vietnam is to join the Pentagon's International Military Education and Training [Imet] programme. [/q]
*ding*
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Originally posted by DeepSpace9er
We do we even talk about this **** anymore? It never goes anywhere and 9 times out of 10 nothing ever comes from it, nobody ever learns anything constructive, and it goes downhill from post 1. So just do yourselves a favor and kill this thread.
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So in essence, all those young men who died in the Vietnam war, and those who lost limbs and the civvys who got cooked in Napalm.... did so for nothing since now the US can be pally with Vietnam ... hmm... ;)
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Originally posted by vyper
So in essence, all those young men who died in the Vietnam war, and those who lost limbs and the civvys who got cooked in Napalm.... did so for nothing since now the US can be pally with Vietnam ... hmm... ;)
Well in essence the soviet union has been defeated and the spread of communism stopped so the USA's longterm goals were accomplished :)
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Kosh: Not at all. Iraq didn't like the US, the US didn't like it. Vietnam is speaking to the US.
What Bush is doing is sending a message to the rest of the world. Maybe not a friendly one, but anyone who believes the US would invade a country just because it doesn't like the government needs to do a lot more reading. Or change their primary news source from Fox.
Vietnam doesn't really like the US either, but it doesn't like China even more. The Vietnamese are very afraid of China. China has a history of invading Vietnam that goes wwwaaaayyyyy back.
The REAL reason Bush is doing this is because of one thing: China. Bush wants a friendly nation that shares a border with China.
I've heard this touted often, but I've never seen any proof. Usually it's based on the assumption that Bush is stupid. But I'm a little incredulous that someone could really be that dumb.
Have you taken a look at his business history?
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Originally posted by Kosh
Have you taken a look at his business history?
Given the way the federal government works, a record of failed business would be an excellent primer for leading it.
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Kosh: Not at all. Iraq didn't like the US, the US didn't like it. Vietnam is speaking to the US.
What Bush is doing is sending a message to the rest of the world. Maybe not a friendly one, but anyone who believes the US would invade a country just because it doesn't like the government needs to do a lot more reading. Or change their primary news source from Fox.
I've heard this touted often, but I've never seen any proof. Usually it's based on the assumption that Bush is stupid. But I'm a little incredulous that someone could really be that dumb. I think it's more likely that someone would be smart enough to appear that dumb.
Actually we were extrelemy freindly to Iraq, until they got those pesky things to protect their oil rights, essentialy raising prices.
What do you mean smart enough to appear that dumb go to http://bushisspecial.ytmnd.com that should be enough proof that hes a moron. Really that should be all the proof you need.
Also Bush's father made a massive donation to Yale the year he was accepted, one of the largest in history, concidience, no.
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And, once again, the brilliant and well-trained news analysts at YTMND.com shed their expert advice (which is, of course, not backed by photoshopped or simply randomly-taken pictures at times during speeches or otherwise where anyone would look like an idiot) on the subject of Bush's intelligence. :rolleyes:
Bear in mind that you are right in your first paragraph, and I will accept that Bush's father gave a donation (*cough*bribe*cough*) to Yale to let him in, but seriously... if you're basing your political opinion off a website built entirely off of jokes, then you need to do serious reading (though I do give you credit for the first paragraph; makes you not seem like a total idiot).
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Bush does have a remarkable capacity to look thick as two short planks, though. Especially considering that he has speechwriters.
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Just to pile up some other dung:
Philip A. Cooney (Bush's environmental advisor) just resigned as it was found he... ahem, tamed the environmental reports in order to make them look better to the president eyes.
Meanwhile, Schwarzy is working on an environmental plan for California that is Kyoto compliant...
Now, not to interfere in your internal affairs guys but if I was in the GOP I'd try to make an amendment to fix the nationality "issue"... Looks like Hillary got some muscled opposition :p
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Not to mention it's soon going to be illegal to 'deface' the American flag in any way. So say you wanted to release an album with a cover of the American Flag with a Skull and Crossbones on it? Forget it. Want to do some topical political art involving the Stars and stripes? Nope. It appears the symbol is now more important than the freedom of expression it's supposed to represent ;)
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*cough*DemolitionMan*cough*
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(http://lppf.iespana.es/tlz_grabs/4acv05/405-37.jpg)
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Originally posted by Flipside
Not to mention it's soon going to be illegal to 'deface' the American flag in any way. So say you wanted to release an album with a cover of the American Flag with a Skull and Crossbones on it? Forget it. Want to do some topical political art involving the Stars and stripes? Nope. It appears the symbol is now more important than the freedom of expression it's supposed to represent ;)
(http://img202.echo.cx/img202/8049/bushsignsflag7ml.gif)
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:lol:
Also, have you noticed where Bush plans to shove America's first new power station in 30 odd years?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20050622/ts_latimes/nuclearindustrylaysfoundationforcomeback
I wonder if that's intentional? ;)
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Originally posted by Sandwich
*cough*DemolitionMan*cough*
That's what I thought.
It seems that the US can still learn a couple of lessons from (a native of) Europe :D
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Not to mention it's soon going to be illegal to 'deface' the American flag in any way.
Says who?
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Originally posted by nuclear1
And, once again, the brilliant and well-trained news analysts at YTMND.com shed their expert advice (which is, of course, not backed by photoshopped or simply randomly-taken pictures at times during speeches or otherwise where anyone would look like an idiot) on the subject of Bush's intelligence. :rolleyes:
Bear in mind that you are right in your first paragraph, and I will accept that Bush's father gave a donation (*cough*bribe*cough*) to Yale to let him in, but seriously... if you're basing your political opinion off a website built entirely off of jokes, then you need to do serious reading (though I do give you credit for the first paragraph; makes you not seem like a total idiot).
Ummm I actually made that site, and I was using this to "advertise" it but yeah really I hate Bush, I hate Bush more than those damned Prom-R
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Says who?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050622/ap_on_go_co/flag_burning;_ylt=Aq5NbYcgJExWeQNVEaf7h5es0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
Though, it's been updated, the original report said that it stood a good chance of getting through this time, it's been altered now to make it look not quite as certain ;)
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Originally posted by JoeLo
Actually we were extrelemy freindly to Iraq, until they got those pesky things to protect their oil rights, essentialy raising prices.
What do you mean smart enough to appear that dumb go to http://bushisspecial.ytmnd.com that should be enough proof that hes a moron. Really that should be all the proof you need.
Also Bush's father made a massive donation to Yale the year he was accepted, one of the largest in history, concidience, no.
(http://www.schneider-andre.net/resource/poster/albert-einstein/full_poster-albert-einstein-003.jpg)
Wow, he must be really dumb! :rolleyes:
No, I haven't looked at his business history. Although considering how much people complain about his family being rich and him being an 'oil king', one would expect it to not be that bad.
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[q]
Joe Swanson: Peter, it's over.
Peter Griffin: Over? What are you talking about? What kind of talk is that? It's un-American. Did George W. Bush quit even after losing the popular vote? No! Did he quit after losing millions of dollars of his father's money in failed oil companies? No! Did he quit after knocking that girl up? No! Did he quit after he got that DUI? No! Did he quit after he got busted for drunk and disorderly conduct at a football game? No! Did he quit...
Joe Swanson: I get the message, Peter. [/q]
Um... his career;
EDIT (this was from a site called 'famous texans' or something... I forgot to post the link. Seems reliable enough, though.)
[q]Profession: In the West Texas energy business, George W. Bush started out researching who owned mineral rights. He later traded mineral and royalty interests and invested in drilling prospects. He had started his own oil and gas company by 1978, taking $17,000 from his education trust fund to set up Arbusto Energy (arbusto means Bush in Spanish). The company fell on hard times when oil prices fell. He made several attempts to revive the business, first by changing the company's name and later by merging with other companies. In 1983, Bush’s company was rescued from failure when Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation, a small oil firm owned by William DeWitt and Mercer Reynolds, bought it. Bush became chief executive officer. Harken Energy Corporation acquired Spectrum 7 in 1986, after Spectrum had lost $400,000. In the buyout deal, Bush and his partners were given more than $2 million worth of Harken stock for the 180-well operation. Bush became a director and was hired as a "consultant" to Harken. He received another $600,000 of Harken stock, and has been paid between $42,000 and $120,000 a year. By the spring of 1987, Harken was in need of cash. So Bush and his fellow Harken officials met with Jackson Stephens, head of Stephens, Inc., an investment bank in Little Rock, Arkansas (Stephens contributed $100,000 to the Reagan-Bush campaign in 1980 and gave another $100,000 to the Bush dinner committee in 1990.) Stephens arranged for Union Bank of Switzerland (UBS) to provide $25 million to Bush’s company in return for a stock interest in Harken. As part of the deal, Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh, a Saudi real estate tycoon and financier, joined Harken's board as a major investor. Stephens, UBS, and Bakhsh each had ties to the infamous, scandal-ridden Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI). In 1990, Bush sold his remaining stock options and left the oil business. Writer Jack Colhoun revealed some details of that stock sale, referring to Bush by his childhood nickname “Junior”:
On June 22, 1990, George Jr. sold two-thirds of his Harken stock for $848,560-a cool 200 percent profit. The move was well timed. One week after Junior sold his stock, Harken announced a $23.2 million loss in quarterly earnings and Harken stock dropped sharply, losing 60 percent of its value over the next six months. On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops moved into Kuwait and 541,000 U.S. forces were deployed to the Gulf.
"There is substantial evidence to suggest that Bush knew Harken was in dire straits in the weeks before he sold the $848,560 of Harken stock," asserted U.S. News & World Report. The magazine noted Harken appointed Junior to a 'fairness committee' to study possible economic restructuring of the company. Junior worked closely with financial advisers from Smith Barney, Harris Upham & Company, who concluded "only drastic action could save Harken."
A year earlier, in 1989, Bush prepared for his move from the oil business to the sports business when he helped assemble a group who purchased the Texas Rangers baseball team from Eddie Chiles. He and Rusty Rose served as managing general partners until Bush was elected Governor of Texas in 1994.[/q]
Another source from a definately biased[/b] site; http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#harken
3 failed oil companies, really. Incidentally, one of the main investors in Arbusto oil was reportedly none other than (via a representative named James R Bath) Salem Bin Ladin. Who was Osamas brother. And died in a plane crash in 1988 (which I guess avoids those awkward family dinners).