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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Solatar on June 23, 2005, 12:37:10 pm

Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Solatar on June 23, 2005, 12:37:10 pm
My iPod decided to quit on me. It glady erased all my music, and if I can get it to turn on it shows me a little picture of a folder with a ! triangle over it. I've tried putting everything back to factory settings, but the computer won't detect that the darned thing even exists.

Any ideas? (yes..I know iPods aren't always the best choice, it was a gift)
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: kasperl on June 23, 2005, 12:42:44 pm
Call Apple support?
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Solatar on June 23, 2005, 12:51:31 pm
I'm hoping to find a solution for this without doing that, but it's looking like I might just have to.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: kasperl on June 23, 2005, 12:54:01 pm
Start off by calling them, they've got the documentation in front of them and know all the known issues. If they tell you your garantuee is busted or something, you can start thinking about fixing it yourself. If they say 'we'll give you a free replacement' or something, all the more power to you, because you'll get one with a new battery.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Liberator on June 23, 2005, 12:54:14 pm
On the subject of not always the best choice:

iPods == teh sukage
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Solatar on June 23, 2005, 12:56:39 pm
Yeah...I think I'll try calling them, hadn't thought about it that way.:)

And Liberator, thank you for your great help in this matter. :rolleyes:
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: aldo_14 on June 23, 2005, 03:58:23 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
On the subject of not always the best choice:

iPods == teh sukage


That sort of comment always struck me as a bit odd.

Y'see, you have the '==' sign, which is a programming language equality check rather than that used in colloquial language. Fair enough.

But then you have both 'the' and 'suckage' misspelt, so any sort of smug satisfaction from using smart-arse programming language syntax is lost.

So it's a bit pointless, really.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Unknown Target on June 23, 2005, 04:16:25 pm
This has happened to all my friends - they say you need to reformat your iPod, I think.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Flipside on June 23, 2005, 04:24:15 pm
Meh, my old Sony Walkman never crashed :)

........... Mind you, it ate a fair few tapes and sounded like a cockroach trapped in a drainpipe, but hey ;)
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Solatar on June 23, 2005, 04:27:01 pm
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
This has happened to all my friends - they say you need to reformat your iPod, I think.


I tried to reformat it, but the computer won't even detect the darn thing as plugged in (iTunes or the formatting software).

EDIT: It might have something to do with me running several hundred miles at least with this thing in my hand (cross country training, then track, and I've had it for over a year).
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Kamikaze on June 23, 2005, 07:21:52 pm
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Originally posted by aldo_14


That sort of comment always struck me as a bit odd.
[...]
So it's a bit pointless, really.


I find it odd for other reasons. The == sign is like a predicate, which are kinda like questions to the machine.

In this conversation Liberator is telling others that ipods suck. So shouldn't a single = be more appropriate? It's not like he's asking "Do ipods suck?"

[/smug-satisfaction]

:p
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Nuke on June 23, 2005, 07:58:02 pm
i see the ipod syndrom is contageous
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Bobboau on June 23, 2005, 08:13:49 pm
useing the comparison opperator '==' rather than the assignment opperator '=' infers that the iPod is currently teh sukage, if the assignment opperator would have been used it would be like declareing that it is so, it's you makeing it that way, your oppionion, the comparison opperator does not change the value of iPod, therefore it is teh sukage you arn't saying that it is, it is a fact, it'd be teh sukage if you hadn't said anyhting.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Unknown Target on June 23, 2005, 08:17:24 pm
Shut up about the damn '==' already, yeesh :p

Anyway, my friend had to do a bunch of crazy junk. I think he reinstalled all the itunes junk and ipod drivers on his PC, plugged in his ipod, reformatted it...and there was another point where he reformatted it twice, I think.
Try looking on some Apple support sites, I think it's a common problem.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Kamikaze on June 23, 2005, 08:19:13 pm
No, for that you'd have to say "(foo == foo) -> true", because the expression by itself doesn't indicate true or false (where -> means "evaluated to"). Lib's "ipod == suckage" could have evaluated to false! :p
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Bobboau on June 23, 2005, 08:27:24 pm
while technicly true, I do beleive he had intended to give that as being a true statement, it seemed prety obvus to me, but maybe I'm wrong, Lib what did you mean exactly?
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Post by: Liberator on June 23, 2005, 08:49:06 pm
void main()
{
ipod = "teh sukage";
if(ipod == "teh sukage")
{
ipod = "still teh sukage";
}
}

*i think i got the syntax right:confused:
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Scuddie on June 23, 2005, 09:07:18 pm
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Originally bastardized by Liberator
void main()
{
ipod = "teh sukage";
if(ipod == "teh sukage") ipod = "still teh sukage";
}
Fixed.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Liberator on June 23, 2005, 09:15:13 pm
wasn't my way still technially correct though?  That's the way I remember learning it and I'm not much of a spare-time coder so I haven't learned all the little tricks.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Kamikaze on June 23, 2005, 09:36:22 pm
Not quite correct if that's C.


int main(int ac, char *av[])
{
  char ipod[80] = "teh suckage";
  if (strcmp(ipod, "teh suckage") == 0)
    {
      ipod = "still teh suckage";
    }
  return 0;
}
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Ford Prefect on June 23, 2005, 09:59:13 pm
To anyone who says iPods suck: My iPod and I are very happy together, and we'll be damned if we'll let you make derisive remarks about our relationship.

Seriously though, wtfbbq? Why does everyone think they suck?
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Solatar on June 23, 2005, 10:05:13 pm
"'Cause they do!"


well...that's the best response I've heard to that question so far. That and mumblings about battery life, which aren't untrue.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Liberator on June 23, 2005, 10:35:03 pm
It was supposed to be C++...I never learned C.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Scuddie on June 23, 2005, 10:42:16 pm
They don't suck for what they are, they suck for how much they cost.  Time and time again, Apple has proven that when we buy their products, we buy the Apple name, and the Apple design (which happens to be very nice, admitedly).  They cost roughly 60% more than an equivalent MP3 player.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Bobboau on June 23, 2005, 10:44:10 pm
you didn't speify what type ipod was suposed to be, I'm assumeing std:string, as the rest of the function would have been syntaxticlurificaly corect.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: EtherShock on June 23, 2005, 10:54:11 pm
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Originally posted by Solatar
EDIT: It might have something to do with me running several hundred miles at least with this thing in my hand (cross country training, then track, and I've had it for over a year).

:nod: Hard drives aren't built for that kind of abuse. They work fine as long as they stay still. You need a flash memory MP3 player for your purposes.
Title: On the subject of $300 paper-weights...
Post by: Solatar on June 23, 2005, 11:33:27 pm
If I ever get it fixed I'll probably tack it on my waist, instead of, effectively, shaking it up and down for 2 or 3 hour periods several times a week.

EDIT: I have an old 128mb flash player, but I need to find some duct-tape to hold the battery in...