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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on July 01, 2005, 06:14:05 am
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/01/bush_net_policy/
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Right, now it's war.
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well, ****. considering how global this is, this can't end well..
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eJihad? Virtual truck bombings, ahoy!
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:lol: Time to see how good ICE defenses they have...;7
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Bush wants to control all the internets. :nervous:
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Wow...incredible.
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Incredibly stupid. Do we expect any less from the US government?
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Originally posted by EtherShock
Incredibly stupid. Do we expect any less from any government?
Fixed. :D
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"The US government has reason to believe that the terrorists are planning on using l337 h4x to pwn us in de_dust2. We will not stand for this hatred of freedom."
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And we have the nerve to complain about China's censoring the net...
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:wtf: Is this a joke? :wtf:
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- "And they will chain you talking about freedom"
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HA!
Come on guys, there's a really bloody simple solution.
Besides, as I've said before, its OUR Internet. ;)
*starts counting*
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By the way, how many root DNS servers are there anyway? I imagine most of them would be outside the US, no?
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Wow.
That sucks.
Next anti-freedom crisis?
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Originally posted by Rictor
By the way, how many root DNS servers are there anyway? I imagine most of them would be outside the US, no?
http://www.root-servers.org/
Most are US; note that I think 2-3 of those ones have servers both in the US and otherwise.
Note that this issue is not so much about the physical location of the servers as who has central control and administration over them. It's a sign that the US is not willing to abdicate any of the top (or should it be bottom?) level control to other countries - or specifically the UN - over the DNS system.
For me, given that the internet is unquestionably a global 'entity', giving a single country control over it - especially when that country would be able to administer it based upon its own 'national security concerns' - it seems only fair that the UN should be given at the very least a say, what with it being the only entity representing all net-using countries.
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Most DNS root servers are in the continental US. However, if they weren't it wouldn't matter. INTERNIC is in the US and they can just stop updating all the external root servers.
Come on people, the solution is pretty damned obvious.
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Bloody revolution? Senseless violence? Lobby groups?
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you could always just route around us, we own the hardware it seems only logical that we should administer it. there is nothing stopping you from building your own internet.
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Except compatability issues. But he's right, why can't everyone else just build DNS servers of their own?
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Originally posted by Bobboau
you could always just route around us, we own the hardware it seems only logical that we should administer it. there is nothing stopping you from building your own internet.
Yeah, but it would be such a pain in the ass to have two(or more) internets. *4 years into the future, goes to cnn.com and hits a farm porn site). "oops, wrong internet..."
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The problem isn't the DNS servers. The problem is INTERNIC. We own the core registry. Oh, yeah, every little country here and there has its own country TLD (.us, .au, .fr, .de, et al) but the vast majority of interesting content is under .com, .net and .org.
The solution isn't to build your own DNS servers. The solution is to build a new core registry and then route-hijack all requests intended for the root nameservers to the new registry's root nameservers. All it would take is everyone else of any import everywhere but the US to get off their asses, bite the bullet and not let the US get away with it.
But it won't happen, because everyone knows, deep down in their hearts, that the Internet belongs to the United States. If they didn't, this situation would have been fixed already, seeing as how all of you outnumber all of us by about 20:1.
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Given the Internet's importance to the world’s economy, it is essential that the underlying DNS of the Internet remain stable and secure
Given the Internet's importance to the world’s economy, it is essential that the underlying DNS of the Internet remain in control of US government.
Why the hell would anyone disagree :doubt:
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Originally posted by castor
Given the Internet's importance to the world’s economy, it is essential that the underlying DNS of the Internet remain in control of US government.
Why the hell would anyone disagree :doubt:
Given the Internet's importance to the world’s economy, it is essential that the underlying DNS of the Internet remain in control of an International Body.
Why the hell anyone would deny Democracy :doubt:
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The US will lose - Though it take a thousand years, we will be FREE. :P
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Freedom is na illusion...
I don't really igva a damn..
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*Bush takes a leak*
Public: OH NOES!!1!1 OUR FREEDOM@!1!
*yawn*
wake me up when I have to care.
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Originally posted by mikhael
But it won't happen, because everyone knows, deep down in their hearts, that the Internet belongs to the United States.
haha, but bollocks.
the reason is just that changing the whole thing would simply cost too much in many (un)expected ways.
A matter of practicality, not (your) nationalism.
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Methinks someone is missing his Sarcasm Meter.
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Originally posted by Zarax
Given the Internet's importance to the world’s economy, it is essential that the underlying DNS of the Internet remain in control of an International Body.
Why the hell anyone would deny Democracy :doubt:
The Internets are not democratic.
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Originally posted by Deepblue
Fixed. :D
Because not all governments are US governments?
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Here, put this on. *hands Janos a sense of humor*
He meant that all govnerments are dumb, not all governments that aren't US governments are dumb.
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Originally posted by Janos
The Internets are not democratic.
You're right, they're anarchic.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Here, put this on. *hands Janos a sense of humor*
He meant that all govnerments are dumb, not all governments that aren't US governments are dumb.
I pretty much disagree with "all governments are dumb", though.
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The USA owns the hardware, they funded its early and current R&D so my opinion is that they should keep it at least for now. And plus, why fix somethign if it isnt broken? The USA hasnt done anything (to my knowledge anyway) showing that they cant handle the responsibility of managing the root servers.
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In that, MatthewPapa, you are mistaken. The handover of INTERNIC's responsibilities to Verisign was botched. The splitout to multiple competitive registrars was botched. Verisign continues to mismanage their duties horribly. ICANN has mishandled their role continually. All of this is happening as a direct result of the US federal government tinkering with a system that was working fine (albeit noncompetitively).
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I think what MathewPappa was saying was that the US hasn't exactly done anything to harm the internet itself. We're still surfing fine, it's not like anti-US websites have been cleansed off the net. We're a stable country and pretty good at maintaining the internet. While I think it'd be better if it was in international control, I'm not going to start sabre-rattling until the US does something that definately proves that it should not have the responsibility it does.
I pretty much disagree with "all governments are dumb", though.
That's nice. That's your opinion, that's his. He expressed his in a joke. Yay for both of you :rolleyes:
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That's just it: the US SHOULD have the responsibility it has. We did create it, we've administered it for this long. This is, however, the Internet and the Internet is as open source as it gets. If other people think they can do better, the solution is simple: fork the project. Set up another shop. The rest is down to the market.
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As long as they keep the porn flowing, they can avoid full on mutiny. But mess with the sacred cow, and there's going to be trouble.
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Originally posted by MatthewPapa
The USA hasnt done anything (to my knowledge anyway) showing that they cant handle the responsibility of managing the root servers.
Ask Indymedia about how the US government policy toward their servers...
True they aren't alone but a centralized structure is easier to control...
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True, the US hasn't done anything like try to destroy any websites that oppose it.........yet :nervous:
With a grab like this it is only a matter of time before it becomes abused.
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Originally posted by Kosh
True, the US hasn't done anything like try to destroy any websites that oppose it.........yet :nervous:
With a grab like this it is only a matter of time before it becomes abused.
As Zarax said, do a google on Indymedia.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Methinks someone is missing his Sarcasm Meter.
really, cause the US "owning" the internets because it was invented there is surely an argument I've heard before...
Besides, my sarcasm meter works in metric only, not imperial :p
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The vision of a US-controlled internet infrastructure will be anathema to large parts of the world however and it is a demonstration of the US administration’s failure to think globally that it doesn't recognise that there is surprisingly little preventing other parts of the world from creating a second Internet outside of US control.
I can honestly imagine what happened in the UN when they realised this;
American Representative - "We are taking presidence over the entirety of the Internet...how you like them apples!"
Australian Representative - "Yeah? Yeah? Well...well, we'll make our OWN Internet, with...Blackjack! And...Hookers! ...It'll be called...the Internet2[No Bushes]...how you like THEM apples!"
Everyone Else - "...Applesauce B***h!
[Please note, this post is intended for those who have seen 'Jay&Silent Bob Strike Back', and watch 'Futurama']
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Well well, i have to say i´m impressed my country did the right thing for once. See, most of the content of our national internet sites is located under our own DNS. We don´t use .com, we use mostly .pt. And if i understand all this mumbo jumbo right, we can run our national grid independentlly, if Bush does decide to pull a fast one. Or so i think, because this crap is hard to understand...
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Which country do you live in?
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.pt is Portugal I think.
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"My internet could DOS your internet!"
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"My internet is faster than your by 1bps!"
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They'll never get full control of the Internet, and you know why? One reason; you see ther-
*Paragraph deleted by U.S. Department of Defence - Have a nice day, and enjoy Freedom*
-ybody just dies! So really, for that simple reason and that reason alone, the US will never be able to control the Internet.