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Title: Photoshop
Post by: Nico on July 08, 2005, 12:50:47 pm: Ok, Photoshop, I love it and all, but it's a damn memory hog. So I wanted to know if anybody knew about a 2D program that would be about as good, but not such an ogre to my poor PC. I don't want to hear about paintshop pro, btw. I knew i'm kind of asking for the impossible there, but you don't know if you don't ask, right?
Title: Photoshop
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 08, 2005, 02:44:25 pm: Have you tried the GIMP?
Title: Photoshop
Post by: TopAce on July 08, 2005, 03:17:55 pm: Buy more RAM.
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Nico on July 08, 2005, 03:25:29 pm: Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Have you tried the GIMP?

No. Any good?

TopAce: send me money.
Title: Photoshop
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 08, 2005, 03:32:04 pm: Uh, I like it. The opinion varies from person-to-person. It's free to download, so it's not like there's any big problem with trying it. :p
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Nico on July 08, 2005, 03:58:49 pm: I'll try it, then.
Title: Photoshop
Post by: TopAce on July 08, 2005, 04:00:09 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Nico

...
TopAce: send me money.

So, my advice was useful :p
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Nico on July 08, 2005, 05:16:05 pm: Terribly. I don't know how to thank you for it :p
Title: Photoshop
Post by: DaBrain on July 08, 2005, 06:48:42 pm: Quote
Originally posted by TopAce
Buy more RAM.

Just upgraded to 1,5 GB. That helped a lot.

But still... I'm working on a 16k*8k planet map and PS is slow as hell. :(

@Nico you can lower the memory usage by disabling the protocol step-back option. (Or whatever it is called in other languages than german. ;) )
Title: Re: Photoshop
Post by: ZylonBane on July 08, 2005, 07:01:15 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Nico
I don't want to hear about paintshop pro, btw.

Well then screw you.
Title: Re: Re: Photoshop
Post by: Nico on July 08, 2005, 07:20:52 pm: Quote
Originally posted by ZylonBane

Well then screw you.

Whenever I can, indeed :p
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Nico on July 08, 2005, 07:41:09 pm: Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Uh, I like it. The opinion varies from person-to-person. It's free to download, so it's not like there's any big problem with trying it. :p

I seem to like it (yeah...), tho I don't understand why it's multi windowed ~~ Can you set a priority so the two tool windows are always displayed above the file one?
Title: Photoshop
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 08, 2005, 07:57:52 pm: Under Gnome, I know you can do that by clicking the icon and selecting "On top" for them. Otherwise, look under "File->Preferences->Window Management". Set both the toolbox and the docks to "Keep above" and restart GIMP.
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Carl on July 08, 2005, 08:20:38 pm: DaBrian, when working with a 16,000 x 8,000 map, any program will be slow.
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Turnsky on July 09, 2005, 02:09:49 am: it is a memory hog, but i've found it to run fine with 1 gig in it..... altho there has been times when it had almost 900 meg of that :p
Title: Photoshop
Post by: DaBrain on July 09, 2005, 07:00:33 am: Quote
Originally posted by Carl
DaBrian, when working with a 16,000 x 8,000 map, any program will be slow.

Well, with 2 GB ram, it would be a tad faster.

I need 4 GB ram :devil: .
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Martinus on July 09, 2005, 07:02:28 am: Quote
Originally posted by Nico

I seem to like it (yeah...), tho I don't understand why it's multi windowed ~~ Can you set a priority so the two tool windows are always displayed above the file one?

[color=66ff00]This has been a long time complaint about GIMP as far as I remember.
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Title: Photoshop
Post by: Fineus on July 09, 2005, 07:11:14 am: Nico, have you tried just sorting your computer out? I mean.. if you've half a gig of RAM then Photoshop should run fairly acceptably if you're not trying to do anything else with it at the same time?

Personally, I think PS is worth sorting ones computer out for :)
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Nico on July 09, 2005, 07:36:20 am: Quote
Originally posted by Kalfireth
Nico, have you tried just sorting your computer out? I mean.. if you've half a gig of RAM then Photoshop should run fairly acceptably if you're not trying to do anything else with it at the same time?

Thing is, I do have something else running at the same time, and for a reason: Max. ANd maw isn't any lighter, memory-wise. Thing is, I obviously need both running at the same time, so you guess I get the "windows is running out of memory" fairly fast. I just ignore it, but it gets laggy. I don't have much choice and must do with it, but after a while, it grows on my nerves, hence my request.
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Fineus on July 09, 2005, 08:00:07 am: Ahh, I hear you - and can see why it's a problem as well (I tired running them together once.. never again if I can help it).
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Grug on July 09, 2005, 08:06:57 am: I run Max and Photoshop together as well. If your not using files the insane size that DaBrain has it doesn't get too lagy for me.
I've only got 768mb of ram too...
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Nico on July 09, 2005, 10:54:49 am: I have 512 :p
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Post by: Carl on July 09, 2005, 11:06:36 am: normally with this sort of thing, the guy who has the most RAM wins.
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Cobra on July 09, 2005, 07:00:21 pm: [size=8]GIMP MUST GO TO HELL![/size][/I]

thank you.
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Nico on July 09, 2005, 07:44:02 pm: Very constructive. I thank you not.
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Ghost on July 09, 2005, 07:50:10 pm: Quote
Originally posted by DaBrain
But still... I'm working on a 16k*8k planet map and PS is slow as hell. :(

Me= hm, cool...*cough* holy ****!
Title: Photoshop
Post by: DaBrain on July 10, 2005, 04:58:57 am: Just found a way around the slowness:

I'll just reduce the size of the map, save my working steps and apply it to the full scale texture. ;)

Hmm, the problem is: I can't save some things I do. :(
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Grug on July 10, 2005, 05:05:27 am: Quote
Originally posted by DaBrain
Just found a way around the slowness:

I'll just reduce the size of the map, save my working steps and apply it to the full scale texture. ;)

Hmm, the problem is: I can't save some things I do. :(

?

Which things?

Should just be able to resize the image as a whole, and then save as a non-layered format...
Title: Photoshop
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 10, 2005, 05:50:50 am: Quote
Originally posted by Cobra
[big]GIMP MUST GO TO HELL![/big]

thank you.

:wtf:
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Grug on July 10, 2005, 05:56:35 am: Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon

:wtf:

:rolleyes:
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Turnsky on July 10, 2005, 06:04:22 am: Quote
Originally posted by DaBrain

Well, with 2 GB ram, it would be a tad faster.

I need 4 GB ram :devil: .

the more ram you have, the more PS will use, it's a fact
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Grug on July 10, 2005, 06:25:59 am: Plus you just about need a seperate HDD for the scratch disk...
Title: Photoshop
Post by: DaBrain on July 10, 2005, 06:48:18 am: Quote
Originally posted by Grug

?

Which things?

Should just be able to resize the image as a whole, and then save as a non-layered format...

Coordinate-dependent stuff. There are a few things you just can't save for sure. When I draw somthing with a pencil, I can use that saved protocol.

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Originally posted by Grug
Plus you just about need a seperate HDD for the scratch disk...

Yeah, got a fast S-ATA disk for this. My old Raid-0 was faster, but... well it's dead now. :(

No Raid-0 for me again. ;)

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Originally posted by Turnsky

the more ram you have, the more PS will use, it's a fact

With 4GB ram, you could just put the page file on a ram disk.
PS would run a lot fast with this.

BTW does CS 2.0 support 64-Bit CPUs already?
Title: Photoshop
Post by: mikhael on July 10, 2005, 10:00:58 pm: What kind of memory does your PC take, Nico? IE: what speed memory and how much per slot?
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Nico on July 11, 2005, 06:18:11 am: No idea, I'll check next time I turn my PC off (so I'll tell you in 6 months :p ).
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Gortef on July 11, 2005, 07:38:33 am: Download Sisoftware Sandra, PC Wizard or some other similiar prog and that will tell you which type of memory you have ;)

On topic: I can't really think of any other good image editing software than PS. Seriously, I've been totaly brainwashed by Adobe :p

Maybe PS-Elements could be less memhog but it does lack some things (being a cheaper version). On the other hand, my experience with PS-E says that one should try it if it has all the elements one uses. It is quite usefull and powerfull considering the prize. If it lacks some tools, perhaps some free small software can help (XN-View etc.)
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Grug on July 11, 2005, 07:42:36 am: Quote
Originally posted by DaBrain

Coordinate-dependent stuff. There are a few things you just can't save for sure. When I draw somthing with a pencil, I can use that saved protocol.

I'm not sure I understand.
I can't really think of any situations where resizing the image would mess stuff up that badly... :blah:
Title: Photoshop
Post by: Taristin on July 11, 2005, 08:55:03 am: Max, itself uses alot of Ram. I have a gig, and at one point, my pagefile had .99GB used.