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Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: pyro-manic on July 08, 2005, 06:29:29 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4663719.stm
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Taristin on July 08, 2005, 06:30:34 pm
You british and your witches... meh.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: vyper on July 08, 2005, 06:30:40 pm
Gotta love the multi-culturalism.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Rictor on July 08, 2005, 07:11:00 pm
That sounds like witch talk vyper.

BURN HIM, HE'S A WITCH! QUICK, BEFORE HE CASTS A SPELL!
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Cobra on July 08, 2005, 07:11:50 pm
the witch thing: LMAO :lol:

the other thing: ...:eek:
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Fineus on July 08, 2005, 08:07:21 pm
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Originally posted by Raa
You british and your witches... meh.

Do they look British to you? :doubt:
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 08, 2005, 08:13:29 pm
WHAT THE HELL!?[/i][/u] :wtf:
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Nuclear1 on July 08, 2005, 08:19:30 pm
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
WHAT THE HELL!?[/i][/u] :wtf:


Times ten. Sick little ****ers.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Taristin on July 08, 2005, 08:25:59 pm
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Originally posted by Kalfireth

Do they look British to you? :doubt:



Twas a joke.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Nuke on July 08, 2005, 08:54:46 pm
i like witches, burn the christains!
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Fenrir on July 08, 2005, 08:55:53 pm
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Originally posted by Kalfireth

Do they look British to you? :doubt:


Not really... but they were in London. >_>
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Unknown Target on July 08, 2005, 09:31:37 pm
*sigh*
...:(
Makes me feel even better because I'm actually a witch :rolleyes:

And the lead, the aunt, isn't British -

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The girl's 40-year-old aunt, who had brought her to England from Africa in 2002, was convicted of four charges of cruelty.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Stealth on July 08, 2005, 10:42:37 pm
i still say that these people should face a punishment identical to that of the girls... the same methods.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Ford Prefect on July 08, 2005, 10:50:52 pm
I think the US and the UK are having the international equivalent of a drinking contest.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Mefustae on July 08, 2005, 10:55:30 pm
Hmrph, all that Witch nonsence is purely that, nonsence...we in the Western world are just fine with our attempted Exorcisms thankyou very much...
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: redmenace on July 09, 2005, 12:09:13 am
Shes a witch, she turned me into a newt!

Honestly they should have weighed her to make sure she was the same weight as a duck. Sheesh People these days.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: karajorma on July 09, 2005, 03:54:23 am
I remember hearing of this case a while back. They're all from Angola. Apparently the accusation that the child was a witch came from another 6 year old child who claimed she'd done magic on him. :wtf:

So RedMenace's Monty Python quote isn't too far off.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Clave on July 09, 2005, 04:03:04 am
That's so wrong, child abusers deserve the maximum the courts can give :mad:
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Nuke on July 09, 2005, 04:03:04 am
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Originally posted by Mefustae
Hmrph, all that Witch nonsence is purely that, nonsence...we in the Western world are just fine with our attempted Exorcisms thankyou very much...


what you are shown about what a "witch" is or what a "witch" does is nonsence. most of it a fabrication for propaganda (the inquisition for example) or entertainment purposes (ie harry potter). my view of what a witch is is that of a pagan religious leader, an equivelant to a preacher, priest or shawman for that matter. i consider spells and magic to be the same as a prayer. as for the actual definition of what a wicth is, you can look to the dictionary, it will say "a person in posession of magic" or some similar def. i do not agree with this def. words are subjective. and often definitions are misleading. for example practicioners of wicca often call themselves witches. this seems misleading because you may find that just because you practice a religion does not make you a leader in that religion. my understanding of wicca is that each practicioner is in essence their own leader so in a sence this is true. wicca is of course a recent form of paganisim or neo-paganisim as its often refered. then their are ancient (as in predating christianity and perhaps even judisim) pagan religions still in practice, asatru and celtisim for example, that (by my understanding at least) have witches as leaders of their religions. i tend to frown on conservitives for denouncing paganisim because the pagans out-conserve them by a long shot. as a matter of rights anyone with respect of pro choice should by default respect anothers choice of religion o choice to become a religious leader.

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Post by: Nico on July 09, 2005, 05:39:15 am
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Originally posted by Nuke
my view of what a witch is is that of a pagan religious leader,


Actually that would be a seer, a druid or a shaman. witches are a purely christian thing, although they ARE derivated from paganic lore and are aimed at turning ancient lore into evil things, and thus prevent people from coming back to it. Exactly like the devil, btw.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Rictor on July 09, 2005, 05:50:34 am
Nuke:

don't tell me you're one of those Wiccans I see on the street in the black robes claiming to practice magic. 'Cause come the revolution, they're all going to re-education camps.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Flipside on July 09, 2005, 06:15:27 am
Ignorance, Fear and Stupidity.

How can anyone torture a child and then claim that the child is evil. If there were evil spirits involved here, they had moved in and settled down quite nicely in 3 adults bodies and were happily torturing an innocent child.

Maybe someone should rub Peppers in their eyes, just to get rid of those evil spirits, of course :)
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Martinus on July 09, 2005, 06:22:53 am
[color=66ff00]They're just pissed 'cause they're muggles and thus have no magical powers.

i.e. the inability to make a computer work.
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Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Unknown Target on July 09, 2005, 10:12:44 am
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Originally posted by Rictor
Nuke:

don't tell me you're one of those Wiccans I see on the street in the black robes claiming to practice magic. 'Cause come the revolution, they're all going to re-education camps.


Wiccans and witches are two different things. Some witches are wiccans, and some wiccans are witches, but not all wiccans are witches and not all witches are wiccans. And anyway, most of those people you see in the black robes are just goths.

But Rictor, I am one of those Wiccans you see on the streets - but I dress in tan cargo pants and a bright orange shirt.

Anyway, you don't have to dress in blacka nd act all gothy to be a wiccan and/or a witch. It's just a lot of people do because they think it's a requirement. It's the Wiccan/witch version of a poser.

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 ..understanding of wicca is that each practicioner is in essence their own leader


This is mostly correct, unless someone is in a coven. But for the most part, that is true.
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wicca is of course a recent form of paganisim or neo-paganisim as its often refered.


That is true - however, both wiccans and non-wiccans alike make the mistake that Wicca and other neopagan religions are just like their ancient counterparts - not so. They have changed, much like any other religion. Most ancient beliefes are based on the location of that group of practitioners. Nowadays, it is a more global religion, taking bits and pieces from other religions.

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as a matter of rights anyone with respect of pro choice should by default respect anothers choice of religion o choice to become a religious leader.


Also true. Wicca, specifically, is very acceptig of other religions and viewpoints - one of the reasons (besides the belief system) that I converted to it.


Nuke, do you practice any form of paganism? I'm just curious, you seem to be pretty knowledgable of the field.


EDIT: And by the way, I do believe that by the technical definition, a pagan is someone who does not practice Christianity. Which makes everyone, including Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc, pagans, does it not?
Anyway, that's not the point of the thread.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Ford Prefect on July 09, 2005, 11:19:45 am
Nuke is a nihilist; I would certainly hope he doesn't practice any form of reverence for a perceived cosmic order. :D
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: TrashMan on July 09, 2005, 11:27:18 am
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Originally posted by redmenace
Shes a witch, she turned me into a newt!

Honestly they should have weighed her to make sure she was the same weight as a duck. Sheesh People these days.


You're completely wrong! they should have tied her to a rock and thrown her in the water. If she floats, she's a witch!
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: vyper on July 09, 2005, 01:47:49 pm
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Originally posted by Unknown Target


Wiccans and witches are two different things. Some witches are wiccans, and some wiccans are witches, but not all wiccans are witches and not all witches are wiccans. And anyway, most of those people you see in the black robes are just goths.


Well, it'd be a ****ing nightmare creating the database relationships for that club...
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Unknown Target on July 09, 2005, 02:39:37 pm
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Originally posted by vyper


Well, it'd be a ****ing nightmare creating the database relationships for that club...


I don't get it...:wtf:
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: pyro-manic on July 09, 2005, 03:23:45 pm
When you create a database, you have to link each table to the other tables by describing the relationships between them, eg. car parts with their manufacturers. The more complex the relationships, the more of a pain in the arse it is to create the relationships.

Ugh. I feel dirty just talking about that, but I've just finished my Computing A-level, so I know more than is healthy about data structures. :ick:
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Unknown Target on July 09, 2005, 03:32:11 pm
You'd just have to have three lists. One is Wiccans, one is witches, and one is Wiccans/witches.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Nuke on July 09, 2005, 04:40:34 pm
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Nuke, do you practice any form of paganism? I'm just curious, you seem to be pretty knowledgable of the field.


ford is correct, i am a nihilist. there are too many religions and to choose one often alienates many others. every religion tries to teach some important lesson, but they are often burried within alot of bs. when the religion become more important than its message, something is wrong.  i used to hang out in a wicthes chatroom.  i have many online friends who are wiccan, druid, asatru, or whatever. so thats where most my knoledge comes from.
Title: Three jailed for child "witch" torture
Post by: Unknown Target on July 09, 2005, 05:17:30 pm
Ah, I see. Thing about Wicca is, it's all-accepting. A philosophy about it that I read was that there is one field, but many different paths to that field. The field is heaven, or whatever you want to call it, and all those other paths are the other religions.

There's different ways to get there, but it's the same place. Something that made me convert from Christianity - what gave them the right to decide that they're completely right and everyone else is wrong (this is a lot of othe religions, too, not just them)? That's one of the reasons I chose Wicca, as well - it allows everyone to have their different beliefs and still coexist. Some might see this as being hackneyed and not firmly based, but I disagree. I think all religions should be accepting of others, and, while not leaving room for the thought that they might be wrong, simply accept that basically we are all believing in a higher power of some sort, even though it may be different to all of us.