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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on July 11, 2005, 03:24:58 am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4648139.stm
Well, sort of :D
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If that was me I'd be tempted to hook up speakers when I'm in public and have to go "nananananananana" whenever I do something :D
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pfft.. call those bionic arms
THIS, is a cybernetic arm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Turnsky/Sketches/capern_armref.jpg) ;) :p
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Indeed, having one's mind directly connected to a machine is quite intruiging...but as this technology progresses, what is to stop the machine imposing its will on the mind connected to it...?
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because the machine doesn't have a mind :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Carl
because the machine doesn't have a mind :rolleyes:
what if the machine is hooked up to a politician?.. or a person who avidly watches (and likes) reality television? :p
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It'd be a marked improvement :p
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I'd feel sorry for the machine.
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Turnsky, that's a drawing.
Er, need I say more?
I wouldn't call that guy a bionic man though (how much machine do you have to be in order to become a cyborg, bionic or Darth Vader?).
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According to Kevin Warwick (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/22/captain_cyborg_lives/) you only need a microchip implanted under your skin to be a cyborg. But then again Kevin Warwick is idiotic arse
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Originally posted by Mefustae
Indeed, having one's mind directly connected to a machine is quite intruiging...but as this technology progresses, what is to stop the machine imposing its will on the mind connected to it...?
They are finding that any interface made between human and machine works only because the human brain is able to adapt to the outside signal. The machine itself is unable to work itself into the human brain.
They were finding that plugging a machine in and modifying someones thoughts would also be extremely difficult or entirely impossible (depending on what the research tells them) because every brain is different and every brain essentially re-writes everything every day. So you brain is like having an OS that moves the control panel from the start menu to word and then to internet explorer and does this every day.
The scientists were sort of in awe (the ones I was reading about) that the human brain had so much flexibility and was doing all the hard work of human/machine interfaces for them.
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If you read the article, I don't think the nerves have a direct hookup to the arm, but are instead moving muscles in his chest, and that is detected by the arm. Not sure though.
I do wish they'd get to work on the tech that allowed those monkeys to use a robotic arm as an extra limb,while maintaining controll over their existing ones. That'd be great, really.
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[color=66ff00]This is exactly the kind of thing I'd like to research after getting my degree.
This and direct nerve input on your average PC. It would allow 'locked in's' i.e. people who have full brain function but no voluntary muscle control to use a computer.
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Originally posted by kasperl
If you read the article, I don't think the nerves have a direct hookup to the arm, but are instead moving muscles in his chest, and that is detected by the arm. Not sure though.
I do wish they'd get to work on the tech that allowed those monkeys to use a robotic arm as an extra limb,while maintaining controll over their existing ones. That'd be great, really.
Hell yeah. I'll be one of the first to hook up an extra pair of arms. Imagine how much more efficient you'd be: both hands on the keyboard, one on the mouse and one on the number pad. ;) Better yet, two hands on the steering wheel and one on the emergency brake and one on the shifter. :D
I'll also be the first in line for a direct brain link to the internet--after I figure out how to put a transparent OpenBSD firewall between me and the net. ;)
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^looks like you're going for a "3 right arm 1 left" solution there.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Hell yeah. I'll be one of the first to hook up an extra pair of arms. Imagine how much more efficient you'd be: both hands on the keyboard, one on the mouse and one on the number pad. ;) Better yet, two hands on the steering wheel and one on the emergency brake and one on the shifter. :D
let me connect directly to the PC or the car, it'll be way more efficient imho :p
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Firecrack: I'd just switch things around to suit me, if necessary. My truck has the emergency brake on the left side of the steering wheel, thus a 2 left 2 right solution. My keyboard enforces a right side number pad but does not have to. Logitech makes a keyboard set with a separate number pad. You just move the number pad to the left et voila another 2 left, 2 right solution.
Venom: you're right, but I'm talking little steps. ;)
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Originally posted by mikhael
Better yet, two hands on the steering wheel and one on the emergency brake and one on the shifter. :D
Bollocks to that. Two hands on the wheel, one on the gear shift and the other one out the window giving everyone the finger! :D
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Originally posted by karajorma
Bollocks to that. Two hands on the wheel, one on the gear shift and the other one out the window giving everyone the finger! :D
[color=66ff00]Model driver. ;) :lol:
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I live in America. If I have a hand out the window throwing a finger, I'll get shot. ;)
Besides, how do you drift without the emergency brake? ;)
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They are finding that any interface made between human and machine works only because the human brain is able to adapt to the outside signal. The machine itself is unable to work itself into the human brain.
Probably because our technology is so primitive.
But if you think about it, nueral interfaces in anything has huge potential.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Besides, how do you drift without the emergency brake? ;)
Groinal attachment? Lots of nerves lead down there. :D
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Originally posted by Kosh
Probably because our technology is so primitive.
But if you think about it, nueral interfaces in anything has huge potential.
[color=66ff00]Yes, there are any number of problems inherent with placing a device inside the human body, particularly one that accepts electrical impulses. Obvious ones include the possibility of the materials interacting with the body chemistry, interception of erronious signals from surrounding nerves (you should see how much filtering and amplification goes into getting a good ECG signal), accurately placing a device, the longevity of the device should the power supply be inside the body...
It's a long and complicated series of small jumps but we're making startling progress given america's significant interest in the field.
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And look out for cyberbrain sclerosis :p
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Originally posted by karajorma
Groinal attachment? Lots of nerves lead down there. :D
Where is this going?
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Originally posted by Nico
And look out for cyberbrain sclerosis :p
I can feel my nerves hardening already.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
I can feel my nerves hardening already.
If your brain was nano-augmented, then you would have nerves of steel. :D
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Originally posted by Kosh
If your brain was nano-augmented, then you would have nerves of steel. :D
[color=66ff00]Titanium is a better choice for a bio-compatible material. :nod:
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Yeah, IIRC steel oxidizes too fast.
Seriously, a bionic arm would be nice, but the principle that tech is based on, would basicly allow typing without moving anything, and stuff like that. The only major problem is input, since that would be reasonably dangerous to attempt a direct hook-up for.
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Originally posted by kasperl
Yeah, IIRC steel oxidizes too fast.
Seriously, a bionic arm would be nice, but the principle that tech is based on, would basicly allow typing without moving anything, and stuff like that. The only major problem is input, since that would be reasonably dangerous to attempt a direct hook-up for.
steel is mainly comprised of iron, and the oxididation is iron oxide, mainly known as rust.. Titanium, or surgical "stainless" steel is used mainly.. Titanium being the better of the two used.
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Originally posted by General Freak
Turnsky, that's a drawing.
Er, need I say more?
I wouldn't call that guy a bionic man though (how much machine do you have to be in order to become a cyborg, bionic or Darth Vader?).
yes, i know it's a drawing, for i drew it, you also missed out on the smilies i put at the end of the post, referring it as a joke:p
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Originally posted by kasperl
Yeah, IIRC steel oxidizes too fast.
Seriously, a bionic arm would be nice, but the principle that tech is based on, would basicly allow typing without moving anything, and stuff like that. The only major problem is input, since that would be reasonably dangerous to attempt a direct hook-up for.
Reminds me way too much of the "mech augs" in Deus Ex......
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Originally posted by Turnsky
steel is mainly comprised of iron, and the oxididation is iron oxide, mainly known as rust.. Titanium, or surgical "stainless" steel is used mainly.. Titanium being the better of the two used.
[color=66ff00]Steel does interesting (not so nice) things when you pass currents through it for extended periods too.
Titanium is often doped with other compounds in order to make it more bio-compatible. It tends to be a bit too stiff, ductility to a certain degree is useful particularly when it comes to joint replacement. The other problem is that some materials promote the growth of cells adjacent to them; aluminium for instance is used for bone implants that you want to leave in long-term as it promotes a process called 'osseointegration'.
BTW Kas I'm not sure what you mean when you refer to 'input', can you clarify?
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Input to the brain, adding more senses. Output is apparently doable, but the input towards the brain is still limited by eyes, ears, and touch.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Steel does interesting (not so nice) things when you pass currents through it for extended periods too.
Titanium is often doped with other compounds in order to make it more bio-compatible. It tends to be a bit too stiff, ductility to a certain degree is useful particularly when it comes to joint replacement. The other problem is that some materials promote the growth of cells adjacent to them; aluminium for instance is used for bone implants that you want to leave in long-term as it promotes a process called 'osseointegration'.
BTW Kas I'm not sure what you mean when you refer to 'input', can you clarify?
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yeah, Titanium alloys are infintessimally more useful than just straight titanium, for the reasons as stated above, titanium, albiet strong, is brittle, it'll snap instead of bend.. so either with aluminium, or another metal is the other use for it.. titanium also has an extremely high melting point, which makes it hard to produce properly.