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Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: MatthewPapa on July 13, 2005, 04:16:47 pm
....premiers in less than 2 days! Who else besides me is super anxious?!
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: BlackDove on July 13, 2005, 04:43:03 pm
Been ranting about it for the past month myself.

Woooooooooooooo

:wtf:
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Dough with Fish on July 13, 2005, 04:44:21 pm
*raises hand*

I wasn't that big a fan of the mini-series/pilot, but for some reason the actual show dragged me in and didn't let go. BSG and Rescue Me are the only two shows I make a point of catching every time their on. I can't wait to see where things go, mainly for the president and Adama (sp).
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 13, 2005, 04:47:50 pm
omgwtflol

Interested, yes. Excited...not really. A little. I feel more like an addict suffering from withdrawal of new BSG episodes. :p *twitch twitch*
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Omniscaper on July 13, 2005, 04:52:04 pm
Excited? No. PSYCHED? **** YES!!!
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 13, 2005, 05:22:30 pm
Must...watch...BSG!
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Col. Fishguts on July 13, 2005, 05:33:05 pm
HELL YEAH!!!!1111oneoneoneone

I mean, I'm eagerly awaiting it.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: IceFire on July 13, 2005, 05:37:10 pm
I might get to see it in November or January.
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Post by: Martinus on July 13, 2005, 05:59:19 pm
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Originally posted by IceFire
I might get to see it in November or January.

[color=66ff00]Not if a certain unnamed file sharing site with a penchant for ridiculing those who attempt to bring lawsuits against it has rips.
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Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: WeatherOp on July 13, 2005, 06:40:22 pm
Freeesh Meat.:D
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Post by: Sandwich on July 14, 2005, 01:10:45 am
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Originally posted by Omniscaper
Excited? No. PSYCHED? **** YES!!!


Ditto. :D
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Kosh on July 14, 2005, 01:51:42 am
Too bad I don't have cable or a fast internet connection. :(
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Mefustae on July 14, 2005, 04:10:30 am
The new series should be pretty good given the happenings in the first season, i mean, for a Sci-Fi series, it started out pretty strong...
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Hunter on July 14, 2005, 06:57:26 am
Stargate Atlantis, SG-1 and BSG... Ohh this is gonna be a fun weekend :)
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: IPAndrews on July 14, 2005, 07:05:44 am
I'm concerned. The last season was sooooooo good. Things must go terribly wrong this season. It's TV law.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Rictor on July 14, 2005, 07:19:48 am
The Humans and Cylons joing forces against an even stronger alien foe, led by zombie Adama. The BSG crew must travel back in time to prevent him from being born, but along the way they are trapped in an alternate universe where people walk on their hands and hamburgers eat people. Sounds good to me.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Fragrag on July 14, 2005, 07:38:03 am
Damnit, I must be the only one not psyched about it, mostly because they don't air it here :mad:
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Omniscaper on July 14, 2005, 01:36:46 pm
NBC has been airing season 1 lately, so check out your TV guide. I think NBC and SCI-FI channell will both be airing season 2.

Friday nights will be couch potatoe night again! We got:


Battlestar Galactica

Far-Gate SG1

Stargate - Andromeda


I could careless about the latter (wasted my time watching their 1st season). I will miss O'Neil, but perhaps Crichton will do well carrying the torch of humorous synicism.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: IceFire on July 14, 2005, 01:38:57 pm
Rumors:
Spoiler:

Battlestar Pegasus is supposed to show up in a two parter later in the season.  Something about it taking over as flagship of the fleet and fun stuff like that.  Different class of Battlestar apparently too...
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Omniscaper on July 14, 2005, 01:44:37 pm
Shhhhhh Icefire.

You might upset the uber hardcore fans of the original BSG. They are very sensitive you know. They might start crying and whining about all kinds of stuff. Before you know it, they will begin marching down to Ron Moore's house with lit torches demanding a faithfull recreation of original BSG plotlines.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 14, 2005, 01:46:09 pm
Spoiler:
The Pegasus was a newer ship then the Galatica, presumably, so the different class make sense; the Galatica was being retired, after all. Its commander would probably not outrank Adama, though; presumably all Battlestars are commanded by people of the same rank, and Adama probably has date of rank on just about everybody.
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Post by: Martinus on July 14, 2005, 01:48:58 pm
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Originally posted by Omniscaper
Shhhhhh Icefire.

You might upset the uber hardcore fans of the original BSG. They are very sensitive you know. They might start crying and whining about all kinds of stuff. Before you know it, they will begin marching down to Ron Moore's house with lit torches demanding a faithfull recreation of original BSG plotlines.

[color=66ff00]Yeah the original show was cringeworthy and utterly poor in parts, the new BSG has been excellent. :nod:

BTW am I one of the few that thought Atlantis was a good show? :nervous:
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Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: aldo_14 on July 14, 2005, 02:18:04 pm
I quite liked Atlantis, although IMO it's still finding it's feet.  Got successively better during the 1st series, though; The Siege was class.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: karajorma on July 14, 2005, 02:42:33 pm
On the whole it was better than the first few episodes of stargate SG-1. I'm glad that show get better quickly cause although the pilot was good the first 3-4 episodes were really poor.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 14, 2005, 03:57:21 pm
I liked the time travel ep, where everyone died. :D
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Hunter on July 14, 2005, 05:19:27 pm
I kinda like Atlantis. Sure, it was cliche, OTT bad guys, and some flat characters. But it makes up for it with general fun... like playing a shooter game... and McKay. ;)

TBH its a lot better than some other stuff. At least it still has some highlights, considering we're talking about showrunners who have been at this forever.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Martinus on July 14, 2005, 06:12:20 pm
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Originally posted by aldo_14
The Siege was class.

[color=66ff00]It's great hearing someone describe anything as 'class'. Makes me feel at home. ;)
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Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: redmenace on July 15, 2005, 05:37:15 am
If they have the pegasus, they ought to have an uber genious admiral that is incredibly a pain in the ass like in the original. I liked that guy.  totally insane.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: IPAndrews on July 15, 2005, 06:27:09 am
Hey IceFire, any rumours about who is cast as Commander Cain? Oh and Omni, I have honestly never met any BSG fans who don't like the new series. Are you sure they exist?
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: redmenace on July 15, 2005, 06:33:49 am
my parents :nervous:
oh and IP here is the actor http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2005/07/michelleforbesisadmiralcai.shtml
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Liberator on July 15, 2005, 08:35:26 am
If Adama has been in command of Galactica for most of her 20 years of service, how would an officer half his age, in command of the same class vessel, be his superior?
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Mefustae on July 15, 2005, 08:49:22 am
Well, she's probably an exceedingly good officer and...well...knows how to "grease the wheels" to get promotions...if you know what i mean :p
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Sandwich on July 15, 2005, 09:29:46 am
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Originally posted by redmenace
oh and IP here is the actor http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2005/07/michelleforbesisadmiralcai.shtml


Awesome (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,32863.0.html). :D
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: MatthewPapa on July 15, 2005, 10:26:56 am
THE BIG DAY IS TODAY! CANT WAIT! :) :)
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: redmenace on July 15, 2005, 02:49:24 pm
Get ready to fire up bot torrent :p
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Rictor on July 15, 2005, 03:20:54 pm
yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Especially since I only have basic cable.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Kosh on July 15, 2005, 03:47:12 pm
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Originally posted by redmenace
Get ready to fire up bot torrent :p



I would if I had something better than 56K dial-up. :(
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 15, 2005, 03:51:40 pm
I would if my ISP hadn't sent a nasty e-mail when I downloaded a SG:A ep that I missed.

Well, actually, I wouldn't, I'm a veteran of taping Sci-Fi: Friday. :p
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Kosh on July 15, 2005, 03:54:36 pm
Wait, was it because you pirated that episode, or because of the bandwidth you used?
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 15, 2005, 03:56:17 pm
Pirated the ep.

There was a letter attached from the MPAA as well.

Edit: Well, no, that's not entirely correct. Mostly COX just seemed concerned about the upload.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: MatthewPapa on July 15, 2005, 05:07:35 pm
Wow, that sucks. As far as I know my ISP could care less.
*Has filled up 2 80 gig hard drives with 'stuff'*
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Taristin on July 15, 2005, 05:12:38 pm
My ISP would be in way over their heads if they tried to pull that bull**** here. They're several million users all within 50 square miles.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Kosh on July 15, 2005, 05:28:47 pm
Aren't they not allowed to spy one what you are downloading?
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Annorax on July 15, 2005, 09:27:45 pm
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Originally posted by Kosh
Aren't they not allowed to spy one what you are downloading?


They can do whatever they want since the Patriot Act requires them to actively search for any indication of terrorist activities.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: MatthewPapa on July 15, 2005, 10:01:09 pm
Holy **** se2ep1 is so awesome. We finally get to see some actual space combat. Badass.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Liberator on July 15, 2005, 10:05:23 pm
I believe Dr. Hubert Farnsworth said it best:

Oh, my, yes!
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Rictor on July 15, 2005, 10:44:55 pm
No spoilers, or you will incur my immortal wrath!

I mean it.

*waves finger menacingly*
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: ZylonBane on July 15, 2005, 11:21:48 pm
Then leave. This thread is not for you anymore. That being said...

"That b!tch!" Snarf.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Anaz on July 15, 2005, 11:41:02 pm
That was very cool.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Deepblue on July 16, 2005, 12:28:08 am
*cries*
when do they air re-runs?
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Ace on July 16, 2005, 12:59:49 am
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Originally posted by MatthewPapa
Holy **** se2ep1 is so awesome. We finally get to see some actual space combat. Badass.


Both in Galactica and Atlantis ;)

Heh the whole torpedo trick is something I've been saying since first seeing Trek as a kid...

...and an Asgard. Yays! :)
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: ZylonBane on July 16, 2005, 10:05:38 am
Who knew that Asgard swear? Angry little guy.

Eh, time to peel off to the Stargate threads...
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Unknown Target on July 16, 2005, 03:06:59 pm
A gah gah gah *eyes bulge* That was one fracking AWESOME BSG episode! :D
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Hunter on July 16, 2005, 03:12:43 pm
Oh man, great eppy of BSG! Had some tense moments.
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Post by: ZylonBane on July 16, 2005, 04:07:47 pm
That BSG was so awesome, I was able to force myself to overlook ridiculous plot points like--

Running cable between two computers magically allows Cylons to hack into them.

You can't calculate a jump to known coordinates unless you're physically sitting where the jump was calculated in the first place? WTF?? :doubt:
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Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2005, 05:15:31 pm
this was like the second BSG epp I've seen so corect me if I'm wrong here, based only on what I've heard.

weren't they able to hack into the newer hardware? hence why the Galactica was the only one still alive, cause it used old stuff. I was under the impression that the network hooked into some newer hardware that was vulnerable to hacking but faster, and when it was unplugged it would be like unhooking a modem. that was what it seemed like to my, admitadly totaly ignorant, eyes
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Post by: Unknown Target on July 16, 2005, 05:26:44 pm
Seems as good an explanation as any I can think of :)
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Post by: ZylonBane on July 16, 2005, 05:35:17 pm
No, they explicitly said they were just networking together computers that normally operated in standalone mode.

I wonder if the writer is really that ignorant about how computers work, or if he just hopes nobody will care?
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2005, 05:55:04 pm
little from collum a.. little from collum b...
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Post by: NGTM-1R on July 16, 2005, 07:25:16 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane

You can't calculate a jump to known coordinates unless you're physically sitting where the jump was calculated in the first place? WTF?? :doubt:


This seems pretty damn obvious. You have to know where you start to get to the other end correctly.
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Post by: NGTM-1R on July 16, 2005, 07:26:22 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane

You can't calculate a jump to known coordinates unless you're physically sitting where the jump was calculated in the first place? WTF?? :doubt:


This seems pretty damn obvious. You have to know where you start to get to the other end correctly.

You ever tried starting from an unknown point on a map and heading to a landmark you can't see?
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Post by: ZylonBane on July 16, 2005, 07:56:07 pm
Your analogy is inapplicable. They knew exactly where they were. They knew exactly where they were before that. They knew exactly where the fleet jumped to. And yet, for some technobabble hand-waving reason, they couldn't jump to where the fleet was from their current position.

I can understand why they might have had to re-crunch the jump calculations (apparently hyperspace jumps involve a lot of math), but they should have been able to do it from their new position because -- and I'm going to repeat this -- they knew EXACTLY where the fleet had jumped to. After all, they were the ones who calculated the fleet's jump in the first place!
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Post by: Unknown Target on July 16, 2005, 08:06:28 pm
Yea, but they already had the coordinates - couldn't they just punch them into the computer?

Anyway, maybe by networking all the computers together, they opened it to attack because in standalone mode, only, say, the communications array is open to a Cylon virus - and that's not worth/capable of being hacked. But if everything's networked together, then the Cylons can find a weakness in one system and access all the systems at once.
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Post by: Hunter on July 16, 2005, 08:35:05 pm
They probably auto-erase previous jump coordinates for security, such as a Cylon agent determining their next jump.
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Post by: ZylonBane on July 16, 2005, 08:42:32 pm
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Anyway, maybe by networking all the computers together, they opened it to attack because in standalone mode, only, say, the communications array is open to a Cylon virus
The "communications array" was a big thick cable. They showed it on screen several times.

It's like nobody ever told the writer that, no matter how sh!t-hot a hacker you are, you simply CANNOT hack a system that you can't access. Since they depicted a purely physical network, that means a Cylon would require physical access to hack it. And apparently every computer being networked was on the bridge, so no, there couldn't have been a Cylon infiltrator doing the hacking.
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Post by: vyper on July 16, 2005, 08:44:26 pm
All that technology and no WiFi. ;)
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Post by: WMCoolmon on July 16, 2005, 09:28:07 pm
The justification given in the show for the whole mess with the jumps was that every few hours, the Galactica would send an update to the rest of the fleet to compensate for stellar drift. So the plan was to go back, compare the star charts, and extrapolate the fleet's position from that.

Going by that, I'm guessing that the FTL must need hyperaccurate data about the position of large gravitational forces, or they didn't have enough power to successfully compute where everything would be precisely enough to make the jump.

As for the network thing, the only justification I can think of is that in 'networked' mode, the computers accept/maintain connections, whereas otherwise they'd be completely closed, and that vulnerability was just enough to give the Cylons a certain amount of access to them. Considering the Cylons are sentient computers, it's not a bad guess that they're inasanely brilliant computer hackers.

But overall, I'm gonna have to go with "plot device" and "consultants were out to lunch" on this one as well. :p

Really, it's about as plausible as squeezing icky tubes to conduct interplanetary travel in a spacecraft meant to house only a brain.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Admiral LSD on July 17, 2005, 09:20:03 am
I think the computers are vulnerable to Cylon attack whether they're networked or not but keeping them seperate limits the amount of control the Cylons can get over the ship ...or something.

In any case though it's probably not a good idea to think about it to much as it's a pretty important plot device in the new series. Galactica and the Mk. 2 Vipers survived the initial Cylon attack because the Baltar/Number 6 navigation program wasn't able to gain control of and disable them completely.
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Post by: MatthewPapa on July 17, 2005, 09:49:50 am
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t it to much as it's a pretty important plot device in the new series. Galactica and the Mk. 2 Vipers survived the initial Cylon attack because the Baltar/Number 6 navigation program wasn't able to gain control of and disable them completely. [/B]


Wait, where did you hear that?
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Post by: ZylonBane on July 17, 2005, 10:08:22 am
The miniseries.

Anyway, according to what was shown this week, the Galactica should NEVER be able to calculate a jump back to Caprica, because wow look at how many jumps they've made since then!
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Post by: Liberator on July 17, 2005, 10:30:03 am
they could, it would just take a long time
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Post by: ZylonBane on July 17, 2005, 12:32:17 pm
Assuming the "it would take a long time" theory, then they could have taken a long time to calculate a direct jump to the fleet's current position from where they were without having to jump back.

That's the insane thing in this episode. They said it was IMPOSSIBLE to calculate a jump to the fleet from where they were. It's absurd.
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Post by: BlackDove on July 17, 2005, 12:46:18 pm
It's also fiction!

Not that stupid stuff should be ignored, but there should be a little leeway.
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Post by: Admiral LSD on July 17, 2005, 02:06:54 pm
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
The justification given in the show for the whole mess with the jumps was that every few hours, the Galactica would send an update to the rest of the fleet to compensate for stellar drift. So the plan was to go back, compare the star charts, and extrapolate the fleet's position from that.


After watching the ep again this seems to make some sort of sense. They couldn't jump directly to the fleet because they didn't know where the fleet was exactly. They had to jump back to Kobol to get a "star fix" in order to calculate the fleets location. Presumably, if they'd calculated the new coordinates from where they were they would have risked jumping into the middle of nowhere. It's still quite messy when you factor in how Starbuck was able to jump from Kobol straight back to Caprica at the end of the last season but it's TV.
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Post by: Sandwich on July 18, 2005, 04:10:18 pm
Just watched it. Perhaps the jump thing isn't "plug in the destination coordinates and go", but "plug in heading and time to travel and go". That method of travel would make the need to return to the previous step before chosing a different path slightly less insane, especially if they don't have perpetual star charts... which doesn't make sense, but it's the only thing I can think of.
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Post by: Rictor on July 18, 2005, 04:17:00 pm
Maybe it's just me, but it bugs me that 100+ Cylon raiders and a Basestar go up against Galactica and no more than a dozen Vipers, and not a single Viper is lost.

Anyway, great episode.
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Post by: NGTM-1R on July 18, 2005, 04:30:24 pm
Nobody ever said the Cylons were good. They did have to use their computer-infiltration skills to knock out the Colonial Military, after all.

And I think there were more then a dozen Vipers...
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Post by: Sandwich on July 18, 2005, 04:40:42 pm
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Originally posted by Rictor
Maybe it's just me, but it bugs me that 100+ Cylon raiders and a Basestar go up against Galactica and no more than a dozen Vipers, and not a single Viper is lost.

Anyway, great episode.


Why does that bug you? It's the most realistic thing of the whole show! I mean, when you're multiplaying FS with a bunch of mates, how many AI (flying fighters of equivalent performace) would you feel comfortable taking on? ;)
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Post by: Rictor on July 18, 2005, 05:11:11 pm
Well, if they're computer controled, much less if they're highly advanced computers, they should be able to at least match any human pilot, though likely outperform them. Even by today's standards, an AI can beat a human in navigation, accuracy and all the other stuff required to fly a space fighter.
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Post by: Hunter on July 18, 2005, 05:21:30 pm
But an AI is limited to its programming. Humans adapt slowly, but more effectively, and thus the end result being the human able to predict the behaviour of the AI.

As for Starbuck jumping to Caprica in a Cylon raider, don't forget to consider it was said their jump engines are far more advanced. Also, the coordinates for places such as planets is obviously going to be in a database so that's not an issue. As for why a raider can jump that far and not Galactica, well... Maybe its not an issue of how powerful the engine is, but how precise it is over distance. Think Hyperspace in B5, Earth jump engines were far less precise than Minbari ones (ref In The Beginning).
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Post by: aldo_14 on July 18, 2005, 05:53:31 pm
A hyper advanced AI - i.e. one of the level required for sci-fi - would be able to evolve its programming; even if just by the simple manner of introducing random changes like in a genetic algorithm or some types of neural network.

ultimately such things are down to the requirements of the plot, anyways.
Title: The new BSG season....
Post by: Deepblue on July 18, 2005, 05:58:55 pm
Anyone know if SciFi is doing an encore?