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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: J.P. on July 14, 2005, 09:57:48 pm
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Just out of curiosity, if there was to be a movie on freespace what time frame would want them to make a movie about?
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The Great War, it has the most movie - like feel to it.
But of course I would love to see the supernova with hollywood special effects.
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The Great War. I thought of this already BTW. Maybe the cutscenes influenced me a bit (especially the music, which is missing from most FS2 cutscenes), but the T-V war is just another war in space, and everything else doesn`t make sense without the Great War, and the Reconstruction is just boring (well, maybe not if it`s a really good movie). A sequel could be about FS2. The Great War is a good story.
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Originally posted by knn
and the Reconstruction is just boring
*points to sig*
*points to Divided Terrans*
We shall prove you wrong, sir. :D
As for the movie, I would definitely do the Great War movie first, then the GTI Rebellion, and then the Second Great War. The Great War gives the initial story and atmosphere, and the GTI Rebellion would set up all of the prototype ETAK stuff and some of the characters for the Second Great War.
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I don't really think anyone cares what the story involves, just as long as it doesn't turn into those deplorable "Resident Evil" movies...*shudder*...
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I prefer Great War just because it has more of a drama/action like feel to it.
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The Great War, since anything afterwards wouldn't make much sense without it.
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Great War. Just a T V war wouldent be as great of fun. Of corse a month before hand, with talk of GTVI problems occuring. Then the shivans pop up. Much more better movie atmosphere. Anyways more fun seeing the shivans kill everyone..
Ah, the glory of Alpha 1 on film. :P But, who would make the cut? >)
Id like to see a movie of all of those options :D
After FS2 would be sweet. Very dramatic.. with capella and all. Also the life threatoning threat of GTVA falling apart would be quite the thriller..
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Great war because it has a better story, climax and ending
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Bastion 'splody. Enough said.
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Originally posted by nuclear1
*points to sig*
*points to Divided Terrans*
We shall prove you wrong, sir. :D
As for the movie, I would definitely do the Great War movie first, then the GTI Rebellion, and then the Second Great War. The Great War gives the initial story and atmosphere, and the GTI Rebellion would set up all of the prototype ETAK stuff and some of the characters for the Second Great War.
I wasn`t talking about the Hades rebellion (<> Reconstruction or != Reconstruction for all you C coders), which could be made into a movie, but I think it should be more like mentioned in the second movie that takes place in 2367 (I probably say this because I`ve never played ST, so all I know about the Hades rebellion is from FS2 tech room and the FS2 reference bible (I think that`s what it`s called)). Ocassional flashbacks (Bosch) and such, or maybe a short intro with narrator and then black screen/32 years later or stg like that. It is definitly needed to explain the events in FS2, but I don`t think it should be a separate movie.
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Originally posted by Mefustae
I don't really think anyone cares what the story involves, just as long as it doesn't turn into those deplorable "Resident Evil" movies...*shudder*...
Resident Evil? Meh, it's not really in the same genre as Freespace. What we really wouldn't want, would be a WING COMMANDER movie clone! Man, that was horrid. Remember those ugly-ass fighters? Just imagine what they'd do to the FS fighters . . . ick.
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After FS2 because I want to see what happens.
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Originally posted by Akalabeth Angel
Resident Evil? Meh, it's not really in the same genre as Freespace. What we really wouldn't want, would be a WING COMMANDER movie clone! Man, that was horrid. Remember those ugly-ass fighters? Just imagine what they'd do to the FS fighters . . . ick.
True, i forgot about that, it almost destroyed what was left of the Wing Commander fan base, already disillusioned somewhat after Prophecy...(Although the WCS should change all that :p)
...And honestly, can you think of any movie that would be like the Freespace Storyline (and i mean, Human Wars in space, dealing with EARTH and such - none of that 'Galaxy Far Far Away fluff) that HASN'T been a steaming pile of Canine Excrement...? Not to mention Videogame to Movie adaptations - see: Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, what they've done to the Doom movie so far - so i'm not even going to give an opion on the period lest it tempt fate and a movie actually gets made...:wtf:
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@Mefustae: :wtf:
But yeah, a FS FS2 movie would be great. Hell they could hier us to act. Why? We got the knoloage, the fear, and the experiance of the FS world. We got the real emotions about it, and what hapened.
>)
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Why a movie anyway? Why not a Freespace series like the new Battlestar Galactica? That'd be cool.
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AA does raise a point. A series would work better to cover the several months-worth of story in the Freespace 1 (you could do this with a movie too, but it would result in any of A) Loads of flashbacks, which can be annoying B) Multiple movies, which is expensive C) Condensed plot, which doesn't do justice for Freespace).
A series would be interesting.
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Also, a series could inclued the last bit of the T-V war.
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Originally posted by knn
...and the Reconstruction is just boring (well, maybe not if it`s a really good movie).
Erm.
*points to sig*
There's a lot more to the Reconstruction than "The Terrans split up. The Vasudans rebuilt. Then they reunified a few years later." A lot more.
Heeyarr. :D
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Great war, definately. Liva action Vasudans! Woo!
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The Great War, then do The Second Great War (FS2), then do a prequal (T-V War)..........
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Start from beginning to end. Movies and series. Before space travel to subspace to Tv war to.. the nova..
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Originally posted by Charismatic
Start from beginning to end. Movies and series. Before space travel to subspace to Tv war to.. the nova..
you do realise that's about half a melenia...
1950ish-2367
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Ah, but FC... we still have the Vasudans to consider.
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ok then, terrans cant be far behind, 1800?
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That's...not quite what I meant. We'd have to follow them as well as us humans.
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hmmmmm.....a series would be interesting....perhaps one based on a character that jumps along with not only Alpha 1, but one that meets most of the other characters as well.
Hmm...
*has interesting idea
Nah; too busy with AJoTF as it is.
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Yeah, following the lives of characters and slowly "passing on" to others would be neat...
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FreeSpace movie, huh? I hate to be a buzz-kill, but I have two words for you: Wing Commander.
I'm not so sure we want a FreeSpace movie. When you have a mammoth plot line that spans half a galaxy of space and months or years of time, it becomes extraordinarily difficult to cram something like that into a two to three hour chunk of time. There's simply no way to slice it, where something critical doesn't get left out. You can't grab the beginning and end of the Great War and expect a movie to make sense to movie-goers without the dozens of scenes in the middle. You can't pick up the fight for Capella mid-stride, and expect people to understand the first damn thing about what these unseen "NTF" fellows have to do with anything. Likewise, you can't start with the GTVA fighting Bosch, and end with the Iceni jumping into the nebula. (That'd be like ending a video game series with eighty Sathanas juggernauts detonating a star, with some jumping out in the process. Oopsy?)
If it had to be a movie, then I'd probably want to see as much of the NTF civil war as possible, from Admiral Bosch's perspective. He's a rather enigmatic character in the game*, and I'd like to see what went into developing him. It would also be an angle that most people who have played FreeSpace haven't seen, largely eliminating the "Well, I'll just play the game again and save eight bucks" factor. Furthermore, I've been tired of cliché 'happy' endings, wherein all in the world/galaxy is set right, for quite a while now, and the movie-watching public is beginning to follow suit. I don't care how happy Bosch says he is in his final log entry, his rebellion's cause has become polluted; his armada has been crushed; he's gotten lost in the nebula he's been exiled to, and there are reasonably good odds that he's about to be eviscerated by the beings he wants to call friends.
A movie may be impractical, but as some people have suggested, I think a television series would be doable. I'd guess that each game could be divided up into enough episodes to make two or three complete seasons. There's probably at least one or two more seasons riding on the coattails of the aforementioned juggernauts. As long as the writers could avoid silly developed-in-a-season romantic subplots, I'd want to see such a television series focus on the pilots, but not the Alpha 1 god-pilots. Some of my favorite parts of FS2 are in the early and mid sections of the campaign, where you really feel like just another cog in the military machine, which is what they are. When you achieve official uber-l33t status in the game, the whole atmosphere changes from one of, "You're another cog in the machine," to, "You are THE cog in the machine!!!"
Of course, the hardest part of a FreeSpace television series would be the transition from the Great War to the events of FreeSpace 2. Simply popping text up on the screen in the first episode of season 4 saying, "Thirty-two years later..." would be especially lame, especially since you're totally rotating out the old cast. The show might almost need an extended hiatus and come back with a snappy, new name, like FreeSpace: The Next Generation. Oh... Right... Already been done, eh?
In summary, either game alone and certainly both games together would be too much for a movie. As a series, it could be done, but without a good team of writers, it could also turn into six different kinds of crap.
* -- His four monologues establish that Bosch has a great deal of depth, but you have to admit, it's not fully explored.
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Yeah, I once thought about a Freespace TV series. It's a nice idea and could be done. But I had a freespace movie on my mind when I made this thread. Oh well.
I'm thinking a series could be in the Great War, on an Orion class destroyer with maybe a cast of several pilots and the commanding officer of the Orion.
I would like to see several spin-off series though. After the Great War they could have the T-V war and the Reconstruction at the same time. Then they could go on to Freespace 2.
Just an interesting thought: If they did have a series or a movie the Vasudans would most likely be 3d. Can you picture that? A 3d vasudan interacting with live-action humans.;7
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It'd be no different than the 3d cylons in Battlestar I imagine.
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for a movie, I'd say the Great War becuase of the already mentioned movie-like feel, hell, the opening cutscene could open the movie (redone in higher quality/ live actors ofcourse) but FS2 has all tye beams and stuff, and we don't "win".
I wouldn't think of FS as a series because A) it would be low budget compared to a movie B) there likely wouldn't be enough fanbase to keep it going C) it wouldn't have an 'epic' movie feel, afterall FS couldn't be anything less than a space epic
I think a trilogy covering 3 major periods, in which the characters don't carry over from film to film, at least not as central characters, in the FS universe is more befitting
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I really do not want to see a Freespace movie, but a TV series would be ok. It should be based around a particular group of pilots without a constant primary character. The Viewpoint should change with the storyline. I feel it would also be required that some kickass Colossus engagements be filmed. None of this 1v1 with cruisers and corvettes. I want to see the Big C take out a ****ing armada.
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To be honest, I'm not sure Freespaces story does anything that would be necessarily better than an original sci-fi movie or tv series would come up with.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
To be honest, I'm not sure Freespaces story does anything that would be necessarily better than an original sci-fi movie or tv series would come up with.
You do have a point there... we all admire Freespace's plotline so much because it's an engaging and entertaining storyline portrayed in a game series that just so happens to be incredibly fun to play. Many games end up giving you either one or the other (and if you're particularly unlucky, neither). Taking the FS storyline from the game and applying it to another medium would be a tricky thing indeed, but it could be done. Of course, it could also be done very badly.
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What squadron served on the Galtaea? Because you could follow them through the Great War. And of course Alpha and Beta Wings would be the main focus and the series could end as the game did with the pilots of Alpha and Beta being cut off from Earth.
Then a spinoff of the original would cover FS2 but would focus more on the Aquitaine's involvement.
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Originally posted by Swantz
What squadron served on the Galtaea? Because you could follow them through the Great War. And of course Alpha and Beta Wings would be the main focus and the series could end as the game did with the pilots of Alpha and Beta being cut off from Earth.
Then a spinoff of the original would cover FS2 but would focus more on the Aquitaine's involvement.
Alpha and Beta would be cut off from the rest of the galaxy. They exited the subspace corridor before the Lucifer exploded in the Sol system, remember? I agree that the game`s ending (especially the monologue) could be used in the movie as well, with a little editing, like showing the characters as they land and find out that the jump nodes collapsed etc.
As for the squadron, there were no names in FS1, but in FS2, there`s a squadron list of the Bastion, and I believe that the player served in the 1st Avenging Angels squadron. I think it`s written somewhere that the Avenging Angels participated in the attack against the Lucifer, but I`m not sure about this.
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I remember the 242nd served on the Galatea, as their first mission was the capture of Alex McCarthy. It could be an interesting story, so long as:
- It didn't reinforce pilot stereotypes (we don't any of the "terrified new recruit" or the "Yee-haw!" ace or such. Give Lt. Harbison, the kind of "follow my lead, you'll do fine" vets and maybe hotshot rookies)
- The Shivans are introduced in the right way. Presentation is all that's really needed, and then you have a really scary enemy. The FS1 intro was perfect at this, and should definitely be used in an early episode to introduce the Shivans.
- The special effects aren't overdone. I know how pretty battle scenes can look with CGI, but, at least for the barracks or the hangar bays, it should use real models (don't have to be life-sized; fighters being shuffled around in the background ala the Aquitaine mainhall would suffice).
- No stereotypical plot. By this, I mean not adding anything that's cliche by now--sure, the invincible Lucifer and the unstoppable enemy is acceptable, as that's how the Shivans are. However, we don't want any "conspiracy" **** or the like. Keep the Shivans and HoL as the enemy. Save the conspiracies for the Silent Threat edition.
- Decent actors. I don't want some Wing Commander movie crap being pulled here--GOOD actors, not just pretty or big-name ones. Find some burgeoning talent and stick it in there; I don't want stars in it, since everyone is going to expect the "star" to survive everything just because of who the actor is. The actor should have talent, but needs to be a relatively-fresh face. Who knows? Might be good for their career.
Those are the only problems I have.
As for the squadron, there were no names in FS1, but in FS2, there`s a squadron list of the Bastion, and I believe that the player served in the 1st Avenging Angels squadron. I think it`s written somewhere that the Avenging Angels participated in the attack against the Lucifer, but I`m not sure about this.
The player actually served in the 53rd Hammerheads, which was partially responsible for sending pilots to assist in the destruction of the Lucifer. The Avenging Angels were mentioned in the command briefing as a list of names on the Bastion analysis, but they were not a player squadron.
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Originally posted by nuclear1
I remember the 242nd served on the Galatea, as their first mission was the capture of Alex McCarthy. It could be an interesting story, so long as:
- It didn't reinforce pilot stereotypes (we don't any of the "terrified new recruit" or the "Yee-haw!" ace or such. Give Lt. Hardison, the kind of "follow my lead, you'll do fine" vets and maybe hotshot rookies)
- The Shivans are introduced in the right way. Presentation is all that's really needed, and then you have a really scary enemy. The FS1 intro was perfect at this, and should definitely be used in an early episode to introduce the Shivans.
- The special effects aren't overdone. I know how pretty battle scenes can look with CGI, but, at least for the barracks or the hangar bays, it should use real models (don't have to be life-sized; fighters being shuffled around in the background ala the Aquitaine mainhall would suffice).
- No stereotypical plot. By this, I mean not adding anything that's cliche by now--sure, the invincible Lucifer and the unstoppable enemy is acceptable, as that's how the Shivans are. However, we don't want any "conspiracy" **** or the like. Keep the Shivans and HoL as the enemy. Save the conspiracies for the Silent Threat edition.
- Decent actors. I don't want some Wing Commander movie crap being pulled here--GOOD actors, not just pretty or big-name ones. Find some burgeoning talent and stick it in there; I don't want stars in it, since everyone is going to expect the "star" to survive everything just because of who the actor is. The actor should have talent, but needs to be a relatively-fresh face. Who knows? Might be good for their career.
Those are the only problems I have.
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The player actually served in the 53rd Hammerheads, which was partially responsible for sending pilots to assist in the destruction of the Lucifer. The Avenging Angels were mentioned in the command briefing as a list of names on the Bastion analysis, but they were not a player squadron.
I like to believe that the player is transfered to the most elite squadron by the end of the game, that being the 1st AA. But you`re right, now that you mention it, I remember stg about the 53rd and the Bastion.
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I'd rather watch an entirely CGI TV show (like Reboot) seeing as you can do more with that than with live actors...plus you could get just about any voice to play the characters...but if it was made into a Movie i would like to see the CGI not over done like star wars...
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Flaming Skulls
Wild Weasles
53rd Hammerheads
1st Avenging Angel
6th Black Knights
That's all the squadrons from Bastion I can remember.
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There's a cbanim from one of the games showing the Bastions' squadrons, isn't there?
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Yep. It's in the first mission of FS2.
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*BING*
Screaming Weasels; best name EVAR!
23rd flying panthers
103rd Flaming Skulls
53rd Hammerheads
79th Predators
1st Avenging Angels
47th CutThroats
33rd Jokers
66th Black Knights (may be 56th; I'd wager 66 tho)
81st Screaming Weasels
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Originally posted by aldo_14
81st Screaming Weasels
*gets idea for comedy FS1-era campaign*
:nervous:
*goes off to FRED a mission*
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Originally posted by knn
Alpha and Beta would be cut off from the rest of the galaxy. They exited the subspace corridor before the Lucifer exploded in the Sol system, remember? I agree that the game`s ending (especially the monologue) could be used in the movie as well, with a little editing, like showing the characters as they land and find out that the jump nodes collapsed etc.
But see thats what makes for a good ending to the series and if a movie form were to appear that would be the best IMO.
And I think we should follow the 53rd.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
*BING*
Screaming Weasels; best name EVAR!
Most likely Hit and Run units ;7 Or suicide units, that to
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Suicide units, in that attacking even an Aten for turret-suppression without shields is close to suicide.
Turret-suppression speciality...well, name very similar to "Wild Weasel", air-defence suppression...