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Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Splinter on July 15, 2005, 03:04:11 am
http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/

I dont have much to add... :drevil:
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Martinus on July 15, 2005, 03:06:41 am
[color=66ff00]I've been up all night and my head is teeming with Transformers jokes. :drevil:


BTW you do know that it's gonna cost the GNP of a third world country if it ever is put into production. Organic LED doo-dahs are both expensive to create and have a short lifetime.
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Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Rson on July 15, 2005, 03:30:09 am
Looks nice but I'll stick with my regular keyboard, cheaper and probable more practical.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 15, 2005, 03:32:55 am
Damn.

I'd wreck it in a month, though. I've never been easy on keyboards; I'm lucky my current one has lasted as long as it has (6 months or so).

Edit: They have both Firefox and IE keys - BLASPHEMY!
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Sandwich on July 15, 2005, 03:37:55 am
*TECHNOLUST*
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: aldo_14 on July 15, 2005, 04:53:11 am
I can't help but think using stickers would be a lot cheaper in the long run.

and the short run.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Grug on July 15, 2005, 04:55:15 am
That would be awsome if I got one for free.

Especially the Photoshop shortcuts, I always forget some of those...
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Ford Prefect on July 15, 2005, 08:59:56 am
It would be awesome if that keyboard had a leetspeak mode.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Mefustae on July 15, 2005, 09:05:57 am
Hooray, now i can streamline my Internet usage by adding a button simply labed..."PORN"...in the place of the enter key, i mean, i don't use it that much anyway :p
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Kosh on July 15, 2005, 01:14:05 pm
Wow..........



I actually might have use for a keyboard like that in the future......
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Ghost on July 15, 2005, 01:32:00 pm
That would be totally awesome for making a Freespace 'console.' Christ. That'd be so cool.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: vyper on July 15, 2005, 01:33:44 pm
Be cheaper to make a single plate touch screen unit (like the display of a Tablet PC) and map a keyboard image, other other controls, onto it.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: EtherShock on July 15, 2005, 01:35:58 pm
Awesome but is it marketable? ^.^
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Kosh on July 15, 2005, 01:40:57 pm
Is it on sale yet? :p
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Gapie on July 15, 2005, 01:57:53 pm
I NEED  that keyboard :jaw:
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Ashrak on July 15, 2005, 03:39:01 pm
i hope you guys read the text before posting just FYI every key is a lcd ;)
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 15, 2005, 03:52:54 pm
I'm pretty sure that's just a rendered image too.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Goober5000 on July 15, 2005, 03:54:30 pm
Ooh.  Switch between Dvorak and Qwerty with ease!

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Originally posted by Sandwich
*TECHNOLUST*
You know that in your heart that's just the same as technoadultery. :p
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: pyro-manic on July 15, 2005, 05:25:57 pm
Bleh. Seems rather pointless IMO.... :blah:
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: ZylonBane on July 15, 2005, 06:01:56 pm
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
Bleh. Seems rather pointless IMO.... :blah:
What are you, stupid? The ability to graphically portray application-specific key definitions is extremely pointful. The fact that it's an illuminated keyboard too is just a bonus.

A shame it doesn't actually exist.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Taristin on July 15, 2005, 06:31:29 pm
[q]Frequently Answered Answers about the Optimus keyboard
It's in initial stage of production
We hope it will be released in 2006
It will cost less than a good mobile phone
It will be real
It will be OS-independent (at least it can work in some default state with any OS)
It will support any language or layout
Moscow is the capital of Russia
Each key could be programmed to produce any sequence
It will be an open-source keyboard, SDK will be available
Some day it will be split ('ergonomic')
It will most likely use OLED technology (e-paper is sooo slow)
Our studio is located two blocks from the Kremlin
It will feature a key-saver
Keys will use animation when needed
It has numeric keypad because we love it
There's no snow in Moscow during Summer
It will be available worldwide (why not?)
OEM will be possible (why not?)
Contact us for hi-res images, or interview inquires[/q]
Title: Re: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Ace on July 15, 2005, 06:58:57 pm
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Originally posted by Splinter
http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/

I dont have much to add... :drevil:


I want one.

Yesss.... we wants it... we WANTS IT!!!!

Of course a high-refresh rate E-Paper programmable touch pad would be even better. Design any shape of keys you want...
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Nuke on July 15, 2005, 07:03:15 pm
is it wireless? :D
it better be!
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Sandwich on July 15, 2005, 07:11:27 pm
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Originally posted by Goober5000
You know that in your heart that's just the same as technoadultery. :p


Perhaps, but since I'm only sinning against a keyboard, I don't think God will have an issue with that. Just as long as I have my priorities right.

Now, where was I? Ah, yes, I was gonna check prices for flights to Moscow... ;)

Raa: "key-saver" - Awesome! This thing could be sooo much fun. Whatcha wanna bet ThinkGeek'll try and get their hands on it? :p
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Ace on July 15, 2005, 07:20:06 pm
Well according to  St. Mary's church in Colorado Springs you're going to hell since:

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28-Plays videos games that contains violence or are of a role-playing nature.

29-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.


...and the only reason I know this is a certain person who makes Liberator look like a moderate is unfortunately a moderator on the Starsiege 2845 forums... (a moderator who makes flaming topics, who would have thought it? :p )

Oh and if you ever wear black or listen to rock music, you're also evil too ;)
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Taristin on July 15, 2005, 07:34:53 pm
Sick, Sad world.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: FireCrack on July 15, 2005, 08:18:31 pm
They wouldnt have a website, would they?
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Goober5000 on July 15, 2005, 08:40:22 pm
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Originally posted by Raa
[q]Moscow is the capital of Russia[/q]
Maybe some wise guy asked them that and they turned it around on him. :)
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Perhaps, but since I'm only sinning against a keyboard, I don't think God will have an issue with that. Just as long as I have my priorities right.
I have only one response to that: Psalm 51:4a. ;)
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: pyro-manic on July 15, 2005, 09:35:02 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
The ability to graphically portray application-specific key definitions is extremely pointful. The fact that it's an illuminated keyboard too is just a bonus.

A shame it doesn't actually exist.


Illuminated keyboard? Now that is pointless. As for the rest of it, fair enough, but I think it'd be horribly distracting, having the keys change all the time. Shortcuts are good enough for me...

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It will cost less than a good mobile phone


So ~£200, then? Erk...
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Cobra on July 15, 2005, 09:59:27 pm
good mobile phones here are like $150 or something.

i still want that sum***** though!

[EDIT] since when was the 'b' word censored? :wtf:
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: pyro-manic on July 15, 2005, 10:19:12 pm
Nonono. Just the handset. Not buying it with a contract, or pay-as-you-go or anything, just the handset. They're not cheap at all...
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Cobra on July 15, 2005, 10:20:09 pm
ah.
Title: Re: Re: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: ZylonBane on July 15, 2005, 11:16:43 pm
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Originally posted by Ace
Of course a high-refresh rate E-Paper programmable touch pad would be even better.

No, it would suck ass. It's impossible to touch-type on a featureless flat surface.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Turnsky on July 15, 2005, 11:21:55 pm
Photoshop keys?.....





I WANTSES!
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: FireCrack on July 15, 2005, 11:58:12 pm
freespace keys too!
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Ghost on July 16, 2005, 01:04:05 am
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Originally posted by FireCrack
freespace keys too!


I already said that.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Sandwich on July 16, 2005, 03:54:39 am
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
Illuminated keyboard? Now that is pointless.


:wtf: Why in the world do you think that? It's only slightly less ridiculous than saying that having a backlight on your cellphone is pointless.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Turnsky on July 16, 2005, 04:09:58 am
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Originally posted by Sandwich


:wtf: Why in the world do you think that? It's only slightly less ridiculous than saying that having a backlight on your cellphone is pointless.


you're telling me, mine can light my room nicely :p
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: FireCrack on July 16, 2005, 04:26:44 am
Mine makes a good flashlight too!
Title: Re: Re: Re: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Ace on July 16, 2005, 05:24:46 am
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Originally posted by ZylonBane

No, it would suck ass. It's impossible to touch-type on a featureless flat surface.


Touch-typing is for, as Kazan would say, primitive mundanes. ;)

It's called remembering where keys actually are.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 16, 2005, 05:26:15 am
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Originally posted by FireCrack
freespace keys too!


Actually, it'd be kind of cool for the comm menu. You press "c" and the num keys become "Ship", "Wing", "All fighters", "reinforcements", "Rearm", and "Abort Rearm". Then you press one and they switch to the appropriate menu ("Attack my target" to "Depart")
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Goober5000 on July 16, 2005, 05:38:51 am
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Originally posted by Ace
Touch-typing is for, as Kazan would say, primitive mundanes. ;)

It's called remembering where keys actually are.
I don't think that's what he means.  Whether you know where the keys are or not, it's nice to have some sort of tactile feedback for what you press.

I can touch-type on a regular keyboard and I could probably touch-type on a countertop, but I think I would find the countertop very uncomfortable.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: kasperl on July 16, 2005, 06:09:32 am
Well, it might become something, but right now I greatly prefer a laptop-like keyboard. Nice and flat keys for quick typing, still a bit of action to make you feel if you hit the key.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Turnsky on July 16, 2005, 08:17:56 am
it'd be great for games with a innumerable amount of keys, it'd save you checking the bloody KB reference card or some ****..

and think of that with a 3d modelling program, or even FRED.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Setekh on July 16, 2005, 08:32:13 am
Keyboard = way cool. If they can make it cheap one day, I'll be first in line. ;)

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Originally posted by Goober5000
Maybe some wise guy asked them that and they turned it around on him. :)I have only one response to that: Psalm 51:4a. ;)


Owned! :D
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Admiral LSD on July 16, 2005, 09:23:08 am
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It will be an open-source keyboard, SDK will be available


So you'll need to buy a new one each time they update the SDK? I'l pass...

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Originally posted by Ace
(a moderator who makes flaming topics, who would have thought it? :p )


I've seen far, far worse when it comes to board moderation.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Nico on July 16, 2005, 09:51:24 am
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Originally posted by Nuke
is it wireless? :D
it better be!


You want to make 100+ LCD screens (as small as they are) wireless?
It better NOT be :D

On a side note, knowing my habit to accidentally spill pepsi on my keyboard, I don't think such a thing would last long with me :p
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: ZylonBane on July 16, 2005, 10:01:23 am
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Originally posted by Ace
Touch-typing is for, as Kazan would say, primitive mundanes. ;)

It's called remembering where keys actually are.
Well DUH. That's why it's called "touch" typing. With physical keys, touch-typists can lay hands on a keyboard in the proper position without having to so much as glance at it. Without that physical feedback, you would continuously have to be glancing down to make sure your hands were in the right spot.

Also, virtual keys on a flat surface would obviously have no physical travel. Imagine how your fingertips would feel after a day of mashing them into an unyielding tabletop. Or conversely, having a detection mechanism so sensitive that you can barely rest your fingers on the keyboard without making accidental keystrokes.

I should point out that the very first home computer I used extensively was an Atari 400 (http://oldcomputers.net/atari400.html), which had a flat membrane keyboard, and using it was utterly horrible. Even though it had slight ridges molded into the plastic around the keys, it was still a pain in the ass to touch-type on. So I'm speaking from experience here.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Nico on July 16, 2005, 10:09:09 am
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
So you'll need to buy a new one each time they update the SDK? I'l pass...


Nah, before you were flashing your BIOS, now you'll flash your keyboard :p
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Admiral LSD on July 16, 2005, 10:15:35 am
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Originally posted by Nico
Nah, before you were flashing your BIOS, now you'll flash your keyboard :p


Then you'd flash the keyboard only to find you'd need a new SDK...
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Nico on July 16, 2005, 10:17:50 am
Like they'd pop out a new one every day, and like you HAVE to update every time :p
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Admiral LSD on July 16, 2005, 10:38:42 am
It's open source, anything's possible.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: pyro-manic on July 16, 2005, 06:06:17 pm
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Originally posted by Sandwich


:wtf: Why in the world do you think that? It's only slightly less ridiculous than saying that having a backlight on your cellphone is pointless.


You don't use a keyboard in the dark.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: ZylonBane on July 16, 2005, 06:10:12 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
What are you, stupid?
Confirmed.
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Post by: Nico on July 16, 2005, 06:20:13 pm
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Originally posted by pyro-manic


You don't use a keyboard in the dark.


Because...? Because...? Yeah! Because you can't see the keys.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: pyro-manic on July 16, 2005, 06:28:51 pm
Because it's a great way to completely f*ck your eyes up.
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Post by: Nico on July 16, 2005, 06:31:16 pm
whatever.
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Post by: pyro-manic on July 16, 2005, 06:42:54 pm
Indeed.
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Post by: Taristin on July 16, 2005, 06:44:44 pm
*has a black keyboard, and uses it in the dark*
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Post by: FireCrack on July 16, 2005, 06:45:47 pm
Would be cool to have the ETU keys be dynamicly brighter depending on how much power you have going to each system...
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Cobra on July 16, 2005, 06:48:23 pm
i've always waned a keyboard like this. Double-clicking the icons on your desktop is last year's fad. :p
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: Sandwich on July 17, 2005, 01:58:47 am
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Originally posted by pyro-manic


You don't use a keyboard in the dark.


Don't be dense. I probably use my keyboard in low-light situations more than I do otherwise. And besides, you should speak for yourself, not others.
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Post by: Turnsky on July 17, 2005, 02:07:40 am
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Originally posted by pyro-manic


You don't use a keyboard in the dark.


if you have to physically LOOK at the keyboard half the time, you suck at using one.. even moreso when playing games, most require a degree of hand-eye co-ordination, anyway..

oh, and FYI, i can use my -black- (actually bluish grey) logitech cordless duo MX bluetooth with its black keys and all, perfectly well in the dark..
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Post by: Nico on July 17, 2005, 03:58:40 am
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Originally posted by Turnsky
If you have to physically LOOK at the keyboard half the time, you suck at using one.. even moreso when playing games, most require a degree of hand-eye co-ordination, anyway..


I have to, so I... I... I say mean things to you :p
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: pyro-manic on July 17, 2005, 09:56:25 am
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Originally posted by Sandwich


Don't be dense. I probably use my keyboard in low-light situations more than I do otherwise. And besides, you should speak for yourself, not others.


OK, OK, I'll rephrase, since I seem to have been causing so much offence: You shouldn't use a keyboard when it's dark enough that you can't see what's on the keys.

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Originally posted by Nico


I have to, so I... I... I say mean things to you


Same here. I can sort of touch-type (very slowly), but I have to look to see where I am frequently (every other word or so). If that means I suck, then so be it. Games are a different matter, really, because they use the same set of keys (or if they don't then I remap 'em), so I don't need to lift my hand off the keyboard at any point.
Title: The Optimus Keyboard
Post by: mikhael on July 17, 2005, 10:34:09 am
I use a keyboard in the dark all the time, actually. And, despite what your mother told you, there's no evidence that using your eyes in the dark is bad for them. That's just what she told you to prevent you from watching too much TV.

Why this keyboard is groovy (The short version): The keyboard is the key-reference.


Why this keyboard is groovy (The long version): Now, as for THIS keyboard, the point isn't that the keys are backlit or anything like that. The point is that youcna specify what the keycaps are dynamically. Anyone who has ever played Falcon4 or LOMAC, or have used programs like Lightwave (which uses raw keystrokes for input) can attest: some programs just use a metric assload for keys. Assigning keycaps lowers the learning curve in programs signifigantly. No more "i want to target the nearest enemy. that's assigned to 'w', so I'll push 'w'." Instead its "I want to target the nearest enemy. I'll hit the 'nearest enemy key'". That's a lot of save thought cycles. In something like Lightwave, it could just save you hours. No more searching for the right keystroke to bridge the span between two polies. You just hit the damn 'BRIDGE POLYS' button.