Post by: redsniper on July 17, 2005, 06:13:43 pm
So, I just got back from a week of fishing in Canada (which we'll discuss in another thread) and found that all the replacement computer parts I ordered had arrived (mobo, cpu, psu, gpu). Yay. So I unpacked all the new parts and removed the old broken stuff from my comp. I installed the new power supply, no problem. I put the DIMMs in the new mobo, no problem. Next, I lifted up the lever on the ZIF socket and dropped (actually gently placed) the CPU in. Then I closed the lever.
It turns out there's a little tiny plastic tab that just barely pokes out from the side of the socket and holds the lever down. It also turns out the lever can slide back and forth slightly so as to go around this tab. And it just so happens that when I pushed the lever back down it was slid over in such a way that it broke of this teeny, tiny, almost unnoticable tab and now the lever won't stay down completely which I'm sure is extremely bad since the CPU kind of needs to stay in the mobo. Now then, I'm trying to think of ways to rectify this matter. This little thing is only 1mm x 2mm so I think glueing it back on is out of the question and I don't think taping the lever down is a good idea either since I think the extreme temperatures that close to the cpu would melt tape or glue.
I refuse to believe that I have to buy a new motherboard just because this little greeble broke off. One of you must know some kind of hackish way around this and I'd like to hear all the ideas and suggestions I can. So, once again HLP, I ask for your advice.
Post by: redmenace on July 17, 2005, 06:20:56 pm
Post by: pyro-manic on July 17, 2005, 06:25:30 pm
Is the lever sprung? Because all it does is clamp the cpu pins into the socket. The heatsink and fan should attach to the zif as well (usually requiring a fair bit of force to attach, by the springy clip that goes through it), and that should hold the actual cpu in quite nicely...
Or you could send the mobo back to the place you bought it, and say that it was like that when you got it, or claim on the guarantee (should be 12 months) saying that it broke when you used it.
Post by: redsniper on July 17, 2005, 06:30:57 pm
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Post by: redsniper on July 17, 2005, 06:39:42 pm
Post by: Taristin on July 17, 2005, 06:50:28 pm
Post by: Nico on July 17, 2005, 07:14:10 pm
Happy? :p
Post by: redsniper on July 17, 2005, 07:18:25 pm
EDIT: :ha:
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Post by: Taristin on July 17, 2005, 07:19:37 pm
Post by: Taristin on July 17, 2005, 07:20:12 pm
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that trick for making smileys huge by changing the font size isn't working so just imagine this taking up your whole monitor:
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Post by: Hippo on July 17, 2005, 07:30:22 pm
Actually, once you have the heat sink or facimilie for a liquid cooled unit in place, it should hold fine... It does take several dozen pounds of pressure to get some of them on... (I was kneeling on my fiends trying to get the heat sink to lock onto his new athlon64... Most of my weight too...)...
Or, super-glue the lever in place... When you need to open it again, just chip the glue with a razor blade...
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Post by: redsniper on July 17, 2005, 07:41:36 pm
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Post by: Bobboau on July 17, 2005, 10:14:34 pm
Post by: Kosh on July 17, 2005, 11:23:05 pm
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I've decided that I'm just going to clamp the heatsink on and let that hold it in. If it's anywhere near as tight as my old heatsink it should be more than enough force to hold it in.
They are pretty tight. Especially if it's a P4. Those things make the boards bow.............
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just get a sodering iron and burn the lever into place. that's what I'd do.
That is pretty permenant. But what if he needs to get it out?
Post by: Bobboau on July 17, 2005, 11:27:10 pm
Post by: Martinus on July 17, 2005, 11:28:30 pm
Lots of those ZIF sockets are badly designed, one major problem is that the tabs used to seat the metal retainers on the heatsinks are quite prone to breaking.
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Post by: Kosh on July 18, 2005, 12:04:44 am
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It broke in normal use, he has a right to a replacement.
No, unless user errors are covered by the warrenty (which I highly doubt).
Post by: Bobboau on July 18, 2005, 12:07:33 am
Post by: Martinus on July 18, 2005, 12:09:24 am
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No, unless user errors are covered by the warrenty (which I highly doubt).
[color=66ff00]It doesn't sound like a user error to me, sounds like it was poorly designed.
Don't most guarantees cover faliure due to normal use in any case? They seem to here but then again UK/Irish laws seem a bit more sensible than america's.
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Post by: redsniper on July 18, 2005, 08:33:20 am
Post by: karajorma on July 18, 2005, 09:23:04 am
Post by: Martinus on July 18, 2005, 09:26:17 am
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Post by: Taristin on July 18, 2005, 09:45:30 am
Post by: redsniper on July 18, 2005, 10:15:52 am
Post by: StratComm on July 18, 2005, 10:23:13 am
Oh, and lvlshot'd smilies make Firefox cry. :(
Post by: Martinus on July 18, 2005, 10:23:52 am
Bit of a major oversight given the boom in SATA technology.
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Post by: Admiral LSD on July 18, 2005, 10:34:12 am
Post by: Martinus on July 18, 2005, 11:00:18 am
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Post by: karajorma on July 18, 2005, 11:15:22 am
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This is my old HD. It already has Windows and stuff on it and according to the repair guy who diagnosed what was wrong in the first place, it was unaffected by my old mobo dying.
Check the CD that came with your motherboard for a SATA driver and install it.
When you're installing you need to press F6 to bring up the option to install SATA drivers if you want to put windows on a SATA drive. Otherwise it's generally done once you've got windows up and running.
Post by: redsniper on July 18, 2005, 11:33:40 am
Post by: karajorma on July 18, 2005, 12:31:46 pm
Post by: Admiral LSD on July 19, 2005, 12:03:12 am
Another option is to do what I did and integrate the SATA drivers into the normal Windows Setup. This is probably the best way to go as it eliminates the need to mess around with floppies and external drivers etc. There are numerous ways to do this, the way I did it was to edit the main setup .INF file directly to make the driver available in text-mode setup and then creating an unattended installation file to install the complete driver post-installation according to various guides in this thread:
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8892
Another, simpler, method is to use a program like nLite:
http://www.nliteos.com/
Also, upgrading a motherboard without reinstalling Windows is a bad idea, don't do it :)
Post by: Bobboau on July 19, 2005, 12:19:52 am
Post by: Kosh on July 19, 2005, 12:25:56 am
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SATA drivers aren't motherboard-specific exactly but chipset specific.
Isn't the entire point of having a standard like ATA to keep that sort of thing from happening in the first place?
Post by: Admiral LSD on July 19, 2005, 02:12:48 am
The standard defines how the drives and controllers communicate, how the controllers communicate back to the host PC and the OS is up to individual manufacturer. It's always been that way and probably always will be.
Post by: redsniper on July 19, 2005, 10:08:34 am
Post by: Admiral LSD on July 19, 2005, 10:15:20 am
/me hopes MS drop FAT support from Longhorn
Post by: redsniper on July 19, 2005, 10:47:43 am
Post by: redmenace on July 19, 2005, 10:59:04 am
Post by: kasperl on July 19, 2005, 11:07:44 am
BTW: If you've got both HL and HL2 installed, you can count on a 6GB Steam folder. Remember that when assigning partitions.
Post by: redsniper on July 19, 2005, 01:08:36 pm
@red: I'm not that far along yet. The mobo doesn't even know the HD is hooked up yet.
Post by: Martinus on July 19, 2005, 01:25:37 pm
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I can just put Steam in the 'everything else' partition though, right?
[color=66ff00]Why would you do this?
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Post by: redsniper on July 19, 2005, 02:00:00 pm
Post by: kasperl on July 19, 2005, 02:05:02 pm
Post by: Martinus on July 19, 2005, 02:09:14 pm
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I don't mean multiple partitions for multiple OSes. I want a small partition just for Windows and I guess the page file. The rest of my HD will be a second partition where I'll put all my games and programs (I assume this includes steam), basically all my stuff will go here. This way if things go ill and I need to reinstall Windows it won't take as long to get back on my feet since I won't have to reinstall/redownload all of my stuff.
[color=66ff00]Yeah, that's a decent plan in my experience. Keeps the filesystem cleaner too so defrags are needed less often.
I know this sounds harsh but I really wouldn't advise you to install anything made by valve other than vanilla HL, it's not worth the time and trouble. You know my reasoning by now.
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Post by: Kosh on July 19, 2005, 02:14:20 pm
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XP can read FAT32 just fine. Just don't think about formatting your XP drives as anything but NTFS :)
/me hopes MS drop FAT support from Longhorn
They aren't. In fact, they are adding another formatting scheme to it.
Post by: redsniper on July 19, 2005, 02:14:35 pm
EDIT: nevermind, I guess this got answered while I was typing it.
@ Maeg(how do you pronounce your screenname anyway?): I hate Steam with every fiber of my being and HL2 is only a mediocre game but the engine is so good and the potential for excellent mods is so great that I can't pass it up.
Post by: Kosh on July 19, 2005, 02:16:36 pm
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Post by: redsniper on July 19, 2005, 02:28:25 pm
Post by: redsniper on July 20, 2005, 11:52:37 pm
Post by: Bobboau on July 21, 2005, 12:20:22 am
Post by: redsniper on July 21, 2005, 08:07:43 am
EDIT: and in case there is no such jumper or it doesn't fix the problem I am, of course, open to other suggestions.
Post by: redsniper on July 21, 2005, 06:13:13 pm