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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on July 22, 2005, 05:42:00 pm
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Um....
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_6129609.html
[q]ow do you like your hot coffee? If you're Jack Thompson, you like it scalding game publisher's laps. The Miami attorney and antigaming activist has done his share to see that games don't fall into the wrong hands. And lately, those hands have belonged to almost everyone.
Thompson was among those who spearheaded the recent effort to slap an "Adults Only" rating on Rockstar Games' Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and he's often been on the forefront of many other gaming issues, several of which have targeted the crime-spree-based GTA franchise. In the past, he's represented defendants who have been the victims of GTA-inspired crimes, including the triple homicide of three police officers by an 18-year-old boy in Alabama.
His beef with San Andreas? Unused code in the game that depicts sexual acts. These minigames can be unlocked by using game-cheat devices or patches available on the Internet.
Thompson is on a roll...and he's not done yet. His latest goat is a game that doesn't involve guns, carjacking, or prostitutes: He's going after Electronic Arts' The Sims 2.
In a manifesto sent today to press outlets, Thompson focuses on dismantling the Entertainment Software Ratings Board and exposing what he calls the industry's "latest dirty little secret." The secret's out now, and it involves nude sims.
In the statement, Thompson says, "Sims 2, the latest version of the Sims video game franchise ... contains, according to video game news sites, full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair."
The Sims 2 is a "life simulator." In the game, players steer their digital beings around their cyberlives. Actions include everything from the spectacular (getting married, having children, receiving promotions at work) to the mundane (cooking microwaved meals, going to the bathroom, mopping the floor). Such activities, as in real life, sometimes require nudity. EA circumvents inappropriateness by "blurring" out the nether regions, almost to a comical sense.
Knowing that the game is popular among all ages, EA has even taken steps to ensure that Sims fans aren't exposed to indecent depictions. In the recent expansion pack, The Sims 2 University, gamers can send their teenage sims off to college. However, instead of packing the expansion with "keggers" and "reefer," EA chose to use juice and bubble blowers.
Thompson doesn't seem to care. He cites a cheat code that can remove the blur that covers the nether regions. "The nudity placed there by the publisher/maker, Electronic Arts, is accessed by the use of a simple code that removes what is called 'the blur' which obscures the genital areas. In other words, the game was released to the public by the manufacturer knowing that the full frontal nudity was resident on the game and would be accessed by use of a simple code widely provided on the Internet."
It's not just the adults that are liberated from their wardrobes. Sims kids can also be nudified, "much to the delight, one can be sure, of pedophiles around the globe who can rehearse, in virtual reality, for their abuse."
Were this to be true, Thompson would have his smoking gun, and EA would be forced to recall all copies of The Sims 2. However, it's what's under the blur that Thompson's after. And what happens when the blur is lifted? A simple mannequin-esque smooth body, according to EA.
Jeff Brown, vice president of corporate communications at EA, in response to the accusations, told GameSpot, "This is nonsense. We've reviewed 100 percent of the content. There is no content inappropriate for a teen audience. Players never see a nude sim. If someone with an extreme amount of expertise and time were to remove the pixels, they would see that the sims have no genitals. They appear like Ken and Barbie."
Thompson doesn't buy it. "The sex and the nudity are in the game. That's the point. The blur is an admission that even the 'Ken and Barbie' features should not be displayed. The blur can be disarmed. This is no different than what is in San Andreas, although worse."
The last time we checked, The Sims 2 was rated T for Teen by the ESRB, which means that anyone 13 years of age, with $50 to spend, can purchase the game. [/q]
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Really, what's with americans and sex? I assume they don't have the same TV advertisings for soap and suntan creams that we have here?
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Only in America can you play a game where you blow cops heads off, use every profane word in the American English language, play a character with profound hatred of a certain creed, and cause general chaos and fear, but absolutely no nipple because it goes WAY too far :doubt:.
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Nope.
Because in America its okay to kill people, but *gasp* SEX!?! JESUS HATES SEX!!!!!111
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I'd like to add that Nivea adverts kick arse
EDIT; I think it's nivea, anyways. They're basically *this* close to softcore; in fact, I believe one had the first British advert nipple in it. Er, female nipple that is.
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That Imperial Leather Foamburst one wasn't bad either. Less duck more girl next time though :)
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That duck had the best view in the house, too. Bastard.
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I wish it were truely ok to kill people, he'd be on my list, for sure.
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Not all Americans are sex and killing you know. An example is me, I actually want to move to the UK. I seriously don't appreciate the way the US is going atm. OMG! I just disagreed with bush! I'm going to be arrested by the patriot act! AH!
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EDIT @Raa
Just say gaming made you do it; then convicting you would destroy Thompsons legacy that people are never, ever responsible for their own actions.
EDIT @InfernoGod
Don't move here, we're turning slowly into little America. Move to, I dunno, Eire or something.
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Yeah. Moving to the UK is a great idea. That way, when a burglar with a weapon breaks into your home and starts shooting, you have the opportunity to be charged with criminal assault and battery for knocking him out with a baseball bat. Yeah. Great place to live, InfernoGod :rolleyes:.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
I'd like to add that Nivea adverts kick arse
EDIT; I think it's nivea, anyways. They're basically *this* close to softcore; in fact, I believe one had the first British advert nipple in it. Er, female nipple that is.
It's the other way around here, in fact, now we almost have pubes and stuff for milk drinks :p
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Originally posted by Scuddie
Yeah. Moving to the UK is a great idea. That way, when a burglar with a weapon breaks into your home and starts shooting, you have the opportunity to be charged with criminal assault and battery for knocking him out with a baseball bat. Yeah. Great place to live, InfernoGod :rolleyes:.
er... most burglars here don't have guns, you know (it's far too expensive on the black market for your average burgler). And you're only charged with assault if it's disproportionate force to the risk to you; the most famous case was a IIRC a farmer who shot 2 burglers in the back as they were running away.
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[q]An "informal trawl" of CPS records found 11 people had been prosecuted after attacking intruders in the past 15 years, five of whom were convicted.
They included a man who laid in wait for a burglar on commercial premises in Cheshire, before beating him up, throwing him into a pit and setting him on fire. [/q]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4224473.stm
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Um....
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_6129609.html
*article*
:wtf: Someone's a little insecure about sex.
That, or he's just jealous. "If I can't kill cops/blow up cars/see women walking around without their tops in my house/depixilate my lower regions, no one will!"
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The thing that really gets me angry is the fact that they won't tuch hollywood. Hell I can find some guy off the street and ask him or her to get me tickets to an R or X rated movie and there'll be no questions asked (although my parents don't care a bit for me to see the things anyway). Actually I've got into R rated films before without a queston asked, by myself.
On a side note, is Germany sane today unlike the rest of the world? Because I could probably move there.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Thompson doesn't buy it. "The sex and the nudity are in the game. That's the point. The blur is an admission that even the 'Ken and Barbie' features should not be displayed. The blur can be disarmed. This is no different than what is in San Andreas, although worse."
Say again ?!?
If the blur wasn't there and you could see their Barbie/Ken anatomy, it would be ok according to Thompson ? This guy is completely bonkers.
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No, he means that even 'Barbie and Ken' "nudity" is evil and corrupt and etc. Prresumably he'll sue doll companies, next.
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WE need a system like the UK, where he'd have to pay the court fees for such a stupid ass argument.
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This guy seriously needs to get laid ;) The way he goes on about nudity anyone would think he bathes with his clothes on.
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Originally posted by Swantz
The thing that really gets me angry is the fact that they won't tuch hollywood. Hell I can find some guy off the street and ask him or her to get me tickets to an R or X rated movie and there'll be no questions asked (although my parents don't care a bit for me to see the things anyway). Actually I've got into R rated films before without a queston asked, by myself.
On a side note, is Germany sane today unlike the rest of the world? Because I could probably move there.
Nah. Germany has crazy censorship rules (at least when it comes to games, anyway. Not sure about films etc). Blood is banned (German versions either have no blood, or it's green or something), as is gore etc. They might even have banned GTA outright (though I'm not sure). I know Brazil did...
Netherlands is probably a good place to go, to be honest. Or France (though they have their share of nutters too). Blighty is probably one to skip for the moment. At least until we give Blair and his cronies the boot at any rate...
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Has anyone checked to see if he has sexual organs? It's possible he doesn't understand...
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Lack of health class funding.
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I think this guy may fall below the current rating to play the sims...it requires at least the maturity of a teenager.
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Well... thats it, im raising my ****ing family in canada.
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
Or France (though they have their share of nutters too).
We do, but at least we're about completly spared when it comes to censorship.
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I think the true reason behind all this nudity censorship stuff is that all these old men are afraid of poping a boner as their dicks may fall off.
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Originally posted by Nico
We do, but at least we're about completly spared when it comes to censorship.
Ooooooh yeah, i took a trip around Europe a few years back, and i just love both French and Italian TV. I remember vividly sitting with some mates, and this ad came on the TV that was just two people doing in on a bed inside a Subway tunnel. It lasted about a minute before they got hit by a Train or something...i wasn't even sure what (if anything) they were advertising...but it made for gooooooood watchin' :p
[angry-speil]In regard to this bloke...well, he's a complete Pratt. The guy probably just can't get laid for the life of him, and is just lashing out in the mentality that 'if i can't get it, i'm gonna ruin it for everyone else!'. I just love how...American he's acting! He's attacking Game companies (although i couldn't care less about his heckling of EA), and pretty much everyone except the people that actually deserve the blame...the Parents! They whine and ***** about their kids playing these lewd games, and blame everyone but themselves...it's like those greedy fat-arses that try to sue Fast-Food companies for being Fat...it's all just pointless blame shifting in an effort to get famous or get rich...[/angry-speil]
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Originally posted by Krackers87
I think the true reason behind all this nudity censorship stuff is that all these old men are afraid of poping a boner as their dicks may fall off.
then they should ban viagra, then :p
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Originally posted by Nico
Really, what's with americans and sex?
dunno. maybe they should try it out?
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It's like this whole country's going through ****ing puberty. "I can't think about sex or the other kids will see my hard-on in the middle of class!" We need to put a smoking hot girl on the American flag and make Uncle Sam a male stripper so Americans will be forced to come to terms with their nature.
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Actually, i'd say America is doing just the opposite; she's entering the Geriactric stage. The US still embraces the violent ways of the past - like an old bloke remanissing about bayonetting Germans in the Trenches - and conducts its Foreign policiy as such, thinks it's still the 50's (or at least the Government does) when Sex was still taboo, and presumes any progress Technologically/Socially/Spiritually to be "new-fangled bunk!" and either ignore it, complain about it, or sue it...
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*is currently bashing head against a wall that soon will be non-existant*
Any way possible he might be referring to a Third Party Modification. I'm scouring the internet for this code, that is the cheat sites. Does he have a chance if it is a Third Party Mod? And if he does and he wins, will that possibly mean the end of Third Party Mods?
By the way, does anyone find it a bit funny that his name was actually a standard weapon in World War 2? Though Thompson is a bit more commonplace then, lets say Kalshnikov
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Originally posted by Fragrag
*is currently bashing head against a wall that soon will be non-existant*
Any way possible he might be referring to a Third Party Modification. I'm scouring the internet for this code, that is the cheat sites. Does he have a chance if it is a Third Party Mod? And if he does and he wins, will that possibly mean the end of Third Party Mods?
By the way, does anyone find it a bit funny that his name was actually a standard weapon in World War 2? Though Thompson is a bit more commonplace then, lets say Kalshnikov
it's the "hot coffee" hack, which really is just that, a hack, the code -is- there, off the shelf, just not playable as is, you have to DL the hot coffee mod to play it.
seriously, a great number of americans (especially good little christian fundies) should get off their moral soapbox and experience reality for a while.. really.
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Yeah, religeon is to blame once more by the sounds. :rolleyes:
Lol Mefustae, so true. :lol:
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Well he's a nutter to go after sims 2 of all games, makes you think why didn't he go after the first sims game:wtf: That had a nudity mod for it and nothing was said about it.
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Originally posted by Fragrag
*is currently bashing head against a wall that soon will be non-existant*
Any way possible he might be referring to a Third Party Modification. I'm scouring the internet for this code, that is the cheat sites. Does he have a chance if it is a Third Party Mod? And if he does and he wins, will that possibly mean the end of Third Party Mods?
By the way, does anyone find it a bit funny that his name was actually a standard weapon in World War 2? Though Thompson is a bit more commonplace then, lets say Kalshnikov
I have been, er, led to believe there are nude skins for the sims (1 & 2). As for "nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair", the former 3 simply don't exist (on the models; although what's so bad about nipples, everyone has them!) and the latter has to be added via 3rd party artwork.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
I have been, er, led to believe there are nude skins for the sims (1 & 2). As for "nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair", the former 3 simply don't exist (on the models; although what's so bad about nipples, everyone has them!) and the latter has to be added via 3rd party artwork.
exactly, the ratings are based on how you get the game off the shelf, what a few users do to the game afterwads (in the forms of mods, etc) doesn't have any real impact on the game's developers. if anything, it's gonna draw more attention to the game, and people will snap up the copies just to see, thus, free advertising.
it's the same with the old video games voilence chestnut of yore.. y'know, in the wake of the columbine school shootings? (ooh, doom is 3v1l!!!1111) :doubt:
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I can use cursor keys, which makes me a more effective killer.
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if only keyboards chambered 5.56mm NATO rounds, eh? :p
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They don't?
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I like the wikipedia entry on this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney)
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He is also known for insulting those who do not share his views through e-mails by calling the senders idiots as it has often been demonstrated on forums where people would post copies of replies he sent to e-mails which had been written in a very polite and justified manner.
Pity that he hates gaming so much or he'd probably be on retainer to Derek Smart
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If violence were taboo in America, Bush would have no one to fight his Crusad- I mean, his wars for him. And the sheep have to be taught that America holds the moral high ground, hence there must be legislated morality.
Of course, over this side of the ditch we've obviously got criminals in government who don't want to see their kind hurt by innocent citizens, but at least they don't try to force their ideas of morality upon us. Most of the time.
Although they do want to be able to monitor our every move... so the British government does have something in common with their American counterparts.
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He is also known for insulting those who do not share his views through e-mails by calling the senders idiots as it has often been demonstrated on forums where people would post copies of replies he sent to e-mails which had been written in a very polite and justified manner.
I have a link to one series of emails, lemme dig it up...
EDIT: Digged it up (http://aelon.net/2005/07/jack-thompson-straw-man/)
EDIT: Correct URL now
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The thing I love about America, though, is that since we're the United states, if you don't like certain laws, you usually can just move to a different state and be done with it.
And I seriously doubt that all this federal mumbo jumbo that he wants will pass.
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Originally posted by Nico
We do, but at least we're about completly spared when it comes to censorship.
True, dat. I was referring to the right-wingers (le Pen and suchlike), who seem to have a pretty high profile (at least, they get a fair bit of news coverage) rather than actual laws. Continental Europe is excellent for the most part in terms of tolerance and respect. European society is far more grown-up than America. It's a great shame we're moving towards the latter at the moment... :doubt:
EDIT: I just had a thought - this thread's title makes no sense at all. "Sims 2 worse than hot coffee" - there's nothing wrong with hot coffee. It's a damn sight better than cold coffee, at any rate...
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
True, dat. I was referring to the right-wingers (le Pen and suchlike), who seem to have a pretty high profile (at least, they get a fair bit of news coverage) rather than actual laws. Continental Europe is excellent for the most part in terms of tolerance and respect. European society is far more grown-up than America. It's a great shame we're moving towards the latter at the moment... :doubt:
Ah, le Pen. He's a guy for show, a loud mouth who's been around since forever. His party (the National Front, it says it all) is about the worst you can get, but le Pen is old, battered, and never achieved anything (justb got happy during the last elections because of censorshipvote against the left, which advantaged him a lot during the first round), and quite frankly, if he's the figurehead of the party, there's much worse than him (there was Maigret, for exemple, but le Pen revoqued him, so voila). I suppose there's partys like that in every country, who put national sovereignty over anything else, but they're not quite nazis, at least.
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
EDIT: I just had a thought - this thread's title makes no sense at all. "Sims 2 worse than hot coffee" - there's nothing wrong with hot coffee. It's a damn sight better than cold coffee, at any rate...
Read the "horny Boys love Hilary Clinton" thread and it will all become clear.
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
EDIT: I just had a thought - this thread's title makes no sense at all. "Sims 2 worse than hot coffee" - there's nothing wrong with hot coffee. It's a damn sight better than cold coffee, at any rate...
Doesn't mean the Sims 2 is better than it under ****-boy amublance chasers' (what, that's not his real name?)' estimation.
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ach, alright. I couldn't think of a good enough pun for the title.
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straight up, THE SIMS had NUDITY CONTENT eons before Vice City ever came out, and all you had to do was download the mods. Hell, EVEN TOMB RAIDER had NUDE RAIDER! lets be honest, if you wanted to see Duke Nukem Forever (whatever engine its using) for example, u know damn straight they would throw in that kinda content, developers or moders alike.
i mean seriously! ANYGAME thats open ended and can be modified by any user especially when the SDK's are available to the public for the usage of common sense mods, can make any kinda PORN like game.
imagine.... Alex of Half Life 2 runnin around in a bikini or in her underalls killin combine. or even better, the custom servers of Quake 3 or UT2004 where u got modders with custom skins and theyre some 2cent rip off of a playboy playmate. i swear fuggin politicians are only ignorent to these comon sense issues even if its right in there face until it would benefit them politically.
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[q]Alex of Half Life 2 runnin around in a bikini or in her underalls killin combine.[/q]
Funny you should say that... someone did an oriental bikini model replacement for her....
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Actually didn't An0n make a nudity mod for Freespace at one point? (i.e a ship with nose art featuring a naked woman).
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It was an Elysium with a big picture of a naked... er, some burd from one of the Star Trek series.
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Originally posted by vyper
[q]Alex of Half Life 2 runnin around in a bikini or in her underalls killin combine.[/q]
Funny you should say that... someone did an oriental bikini model replacement for her....
And also funny you guys mentioned this... Some guy also did a nude model of her...
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Originally posted by Fragrag
Alex of Half Life 2 runnin around in a bikini or in her underalls killin combine.
Funny you should say that... someone did an oriental bikini model replacement for her....
And also funny you guys mentioned this... Some guy also did a nude model of her... [/B]
Funny you guys should mention all that, I'm naked right now.
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http://www.yell.com/ucs/UcsSearchAction.do;jsessionid=cPFUjoB9OfA8?searchType=classic&ooa=on&keywords=counselling&companyName=&location=&x=0&y=0
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(http://warpstorm.com/community/Smileys/warpstorm/runaway.gif)
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:lol:
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Originally posted by Rictor
Funny you guys should mention all that, I'm naked right now.
That's OK, as long as you're not playing the Sims.
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I dont see why this guy is so concerned with the sims. In Magna Cum Laude, all you had to do was change one line in an INI, and it removed all censoring in the game, save for a few clips. And that said line wasn't that hard to find. This would be a much more legitimate game to go after for slipping under the ESRB's radar.
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This guy would freak if he saw, say, 3 Sister's Story or True Love. Straight-up have a heart attack on the spot.
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
This guy would freak if he saw, say, 3 Sister's Story or True Love. Straight-up have a heart attack on the spot.
This gives me an idea...
Originally posted by Scuddie
I dont see why this guy is so concerned with the sims. In Magna Cum Laude, all you had to do was change one line in an INI, and it removed all censoring in the game, save for a few clips. And that said line wasn't that hard to find. This would be a much more legitimate game to go after for slipping under the ESRB's radar.
So this means that it was rated wrong, and can anyone tell my why Hilary Clinton/Jack Thompson aren't after this?!:mad:
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Because they're hypocrites after a bit of easy publicity (nothing gets people riled up like a classic moral panic). Those other games are rather obscure, but everyone and their dog knows about GTA...
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
This guy would freak if he saw, say, 3 Sister's Story or True Love. Straight-up have a heart attack on the spot.
He could flip all he want, he couldn't do anything about it, being, you know, american :p
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I'm trying to kill him, here. 'sides, if it's the English translation, will he know that intially?