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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kamikaze on August 02, 2005, 12:03:22 pm

Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: Kamikaze on August 02, 2005, 12:03:22 pm
You thought one button was bad? Now they're doing zero button mice! :D

http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: StratComm on August 02, 2005, 12:06:13 pm
Too bad all that boils down to is the standard two-button wheel mouse that PCs have been shipping with for what, 8 years now?

Don't get me wrong, it looks like a decent mouse, but am I the only one who sees apple release "new" products that are actually half a decade or more behind the times, only to see them treated as the best thing since sliced bread?
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: Admiral LSD on August 02, 2005, 12:06:51 pm
heh, it's actually a three "button" mouse with a 4 way scroll feature (hopefully more useful than MSs implementation) :D

edit: reading it again, it appears that it's actually an 8 way scroll feature.
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: Carl on August 02, 2005, 12:25:17 pm
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Originally posted by Apple
Mighty Mouse


Carl smells a lawsuit.
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Post by: Martinus on August 02, 2005, 01:09:01 pm
[color=66ff00]It's got one of those thinkpad-esque pointers, far better than lappy touchpads IMHO.

edit: on closer inspection it's a mini roller ball.
[/color]
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Post by: IceFire on August 02, 2005, 02:12:13 pm
Hell has frozen over...
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Post by: aldo_14 on August 02, 2005, 02:14:55 pm
Woo!  An overdesigned, bog standard featured device that only costs twice that of a perfectly adequate and functional equivalent - stylish!
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 02, 2005, 02:17:20 pm
Ewww.
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Post by: BlueFlames on August 02, 2005, 03:18:54 pm
Multidirectional wheels, eh?  Umm...  Apple....  Yeah, I hate to remind you of that nasty little bit in the '80s, but Microsoft beat you to it (http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/features/tiltwheel.mspx).......again.......  Oh....  Yeah....  So did Logitech (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2135,CONTENTID=9043)....

What next?  Eight-bit gaming consoles?  Oooo...  Maybe they could let people upgrade their desktop video cards (among other things), and stop treating their users like stupid monkeys.  Nah...  They didn't want to be competitive in the twenty-first century.
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Post by: Admiral LSD on August 02, 2005, 03:22:32 pm
Umm.... As far as I know it's been possible to upgrade the desktop video card in most Macs for years....
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Post by: FireCrack on August 02, 2005, 04:01:48 pm
HORRAY FOR COUNTER INTUITIVENESS!!!
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Post by: Kosh on August 02, 2005, 04:02:53 pm
No button mice = bad for gaming.
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Post by: Admiral LSD on August 02, 2005, 04:24:30 pm
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Originally posted by Kosh
No button mice = bad for gaming.


It's a Mac mouse, Macs are even more hopeless for gaming than Linux is.

edit: Also, how is it counter-intuitive? Press the area to the left of the scroll ball to left-click, the area to the right to right-click, the scroll ball to scroll and finally, squeeze it to bring up the dashboard. It's no more counter-intuitive than any other mouse.
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Post by: FireCrack on August 02, 2005, 04:33:08 pm
Nevermind, i thuaght you rotaed the mosue to scroll.

Still.. it's a mac mosue.
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Post by: Rictor on August 02, 2005, 04:34:51 pm
Novelty masquarading as quality.
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Post by: Admiral LSD on August 02, 2005, 04:36:53 pm
Apple are by no means the only organisation doing that though...
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: CP5670 on August 02, 2005, 04:51:13 pm
So how many buttons does it have? Apple's description seems to contradict itself on this. I would have expected it to be wireless though. That's just the kind of thing I could imagine Apple including on their mice and doubling the price for it.

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It's a Mac mouse, Macs are even more hopeless for gaming than Linux is.


Apple these days is just sad. Almost everything they release is ridiculously overpriced and screams of form without function. The funny thing is that my old 33mhz 4MB Mac from 1990 actually has a lot of great games on it and was better than most DOS machines back then. How times have changed...

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It's got one of those thinkpad-esque pointers, far better than lappy touchpads IMHO.


Why do they even include touchpads on laptops? Those things are completely unusable. It takes forever to perform even the simplest tasks with them. My laptop has both a touchpad and a pointing stick and I've just disabled the touchpad driver for good.
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: MicroPsycho on August 02, 2005, 05:57:14 pm
next product, the iMouse shuffle!
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Post by: Kamikaze on August 02, 2005, 07:10:03 pm
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Originally posted by CP5670
So how many buttons does it have? Apple's description seems to contradict itself on this. I would have expected it to be wireless though. That's just the kind of thing I could imagine Apple including on their mice and doubling the price for it.


It's got three click "buttons" (the scrollball is a button) and two squeeze buttons on the side.
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Post by: ZylonBane on August 02, 2005, 07:19:21 pm
Wow. So that's what it looks like when Apple's industrial designers throw their hands in the air and say, "Screw it". The damn thing looks like a giant Tylenol.
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: Kamikaze on August 02, 2005, 11:15:26 pm
But to give Apple some credit, this is a clever scheme to give Mac users backwards compatibility (if for some reason they like the one-button scheme) while still making their mouse more useful because the thing can easily act exactly like their current one button mice.

Plus it still forces developers to keep all the application functions accessible via one mouse button, which was the original intention of the whole one-button scheme.
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Post by: Bobboau on August 02, 2005, 11:58:50 pm
but why would one intend to do such a thing?
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Post by: FireCrack on August 02, 2005, 11:59:05 pm
..and that's good how?
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Post by: Triple Ace on August 03, 2005, 01:29:29 am
APPLE SUCKS! There I said it.
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: aldo_14 on August 03, 2005, 04:47:40 am
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
Wow. So that's what it looks like when Apple's industrial designers throw their hands in the air and say, "Screw it". The damn thing looks like a giant Tylenol.


[q]
Fry: "I can't swallow that!"
Professor Farnsworth: "Well then, good news! It's a suppository!"
[/q]
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: EtherShock on August 03, 2005, 08:16:33 am
(http://pictures.my-xanadu.net/albums/userpics/10001/iProduct.JPG)
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Post by: NGTM-1R on August 03, 2005, 08:50:39 am
I love you, in a non-romantic way.
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Post by: ZylonBane on August 03, 2005, 02:17:08 pm
He didn't make that, you know.
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Post by: Rictor on August 03, 2005, 03:02:24 pm
It's still true. Yuppie bastards.
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Post by: EtherShock on August 03, 2005, 04:23:33 pm
Yeah, but I wish I had made it. It's so true. ^_^
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Post by: ZylonBane on August 03, 2005, 10:05:36 pm
Well yeah, that goes without saying.
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Post by: Taristin on August 03, 2005, 10:11:56 pm
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Originally posted by aldo_14


[q]
Fry: "I can't swallow that!"
Professor Farnsworth: "Well then, good news! It's a suppository!"
[/q]



Ahh. The deep south episode. Classic. (I love that line, personally. Up there with 'Fry you mmmmmmmmmmmmoron.')
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: Grug on August 03, 2005, 11:16:31 pm
LoL.

Mac's are still the most powerfull machines used in the graphics industry. :p
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Post by: NGTM-1R on August 04, 2005, 01:14:16 am
Nobody's perfect.
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Post by: Deepblue on August 04, 2005, 01:21:08 am
:lol:
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Post by: Clave on August 04, 2005, 01:23:00 am
Meh..

*goes back to playing Doom 3*
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Post by: Sandwich on August 04, 2005, 01:39:23 am
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Originally posted by FireCrack
Nevermind, i thuaght you rotaed the mosue to scroll.

Still.. it's a mac mosue.


How in the world did you manage to misspell "mouse"??? :eek2:

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Originally posted by MicroPsycho
next product, the iMouse shuffle!


SuperShuffle's more like it.
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: Rictor on August 04, 2005, 05:26:15 am
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Originally posted by Grug
LoL.

Mac's are still the most powerfull machines used in the graphics industry. :p


Everyone uses them because they're standard in the graphics industry. You know why they're the standard? Because everyone uses them. There's some unwritten rule that it's blasphemous to run Photoshop on a PC. Beyond that, neither the software nor the hardware does anything that a PC isn't capable of.
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Post by: Sandwich on August 04, 2005, 06:25:45 am
Speaking of which, I have yet to see a Mac that runs Photoshop faster than my middle-of-the-road office PC, an Intel dual-core P4 3.0Ghz w/ 1Gb RAM.
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Post by: ZylonBane on August 04, 2005, 09:21:10 am
Since when do "middle-of-the-road" office apps need a frelling 3GHz dual-core system with a gig of RAM?

Back when 300MHz was state of the art, I never recall thinking that Word was running too slow.
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: aldo_14 on August 04, 2005, 09:23:23 am
Yeah, but you didn't have the oh-so-invaluable clippy then.
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Post by: FireCrack on August 04, 2005, 02:37:37 pm
i was typing fast, you'l notice it's merely an error of one hand moving to u to press t and the other to s to be ready to press but my brain got the order messed up.
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Post by: Sandwich on August 04, 2005, 06:28:27 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
Since when do "middle-of-the-road" office apps need a frelling 3GHz dual-core system with a gig of RAM?

Back when 300MHz was state of the art, I never recall thinking that Word was running too slow.


I never said I use "middle-of-the-road" apps, I said my machine was that. I regularly use apps like Photoshop CS and InDesign CS to work on print publications.
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Post by: Rictor on August 04, 2005, 07:21:28 pm
Still, dual core 3.0Ghz isn't middle of the road, by any stretch. :ick: :ick:

I can and do still run Photoshop 7 fine on my dad's 266 Mhz computer. The speed at which computer speeds are increasing is outpacing the need for such speed, among average users at least. It promotes bloated, wasteful programming.
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Post by: Admiral LSD on August 04, 2005, 07:28:04 pm
...only to people who's PC can't run it.

Since PC hardware is so insaney cheap these days, I've given up caring about so-called "bloatware".
Title: Apples Goes Zero Button!
Post by: aldo_14 on August 05, 2005, 04:31:45 am
....given that you have 'get Internet Explorer' in your siggy, I'm not surprised.......

so long as bloatware or just general inefficient programming exists, we'll have diminishing returns on our hardware expenditure.  Not only that, because optimization by nature requires more understanding of precise program functions, I'd reckon we'll probably have more bugs too.