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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fractux on August 04, 2005, 08:48:34 pm
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Wired Article:
http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,68401,00.html
PORTLAND, Oregon -- Christians looking to provide alternatives to the sex and violence of video games like Grand Theft Auto are trying to attract some of the PlayStation generation with more wholesome fare.
Here's the conversation that I though of after reading it.
Billy: "What's the path to salvation... humbleness? helping others?"
Jimmy: "No. It's Left - Left - Up - clockwise Right - B - X - X - Right"
Billy: "Oh.. yeah right. I'll remeber that one. Hey which one is the repent button?"
:rolleyes:
Joking aside, I think any videgame can be used to teach, just like movies and other multimedia. I remember playing early games on my father's IBM 5150, and learning logo on my CoCo. But I highly doubt any child will play a game that is not fun (unless they are enjoying learning programming and playing games like Robot Battles), and the fun has to take precedence over the message, or else kids just won't play them, and parents won't buy them. Or parents will buy them and kids won't play them.
I definitely think you can get accross messages in games, that's not in question at all. But it seems like it could be more marketing than really offering a different genre of game that helps you examine your values and morals, and think about your life
Cheers!
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Nothing said here that hasn't already been said..
But just for the hell of it, these games are totally gonna tank. There just isn't a market for this kind of software. oo;
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Just what I'd expect from Portland, OR. >_>
Well, good luck to 'em is all I have to say. Frankly, I hope they can succeed, but if the games come out crappy, then nobody's gonna play 'em.
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Just as Rockstar games gets to make a game with the message in that game, these guys can make a game with theirs. We'll see how popular they prove to be...but hey...who knows :)
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I thaught dinasaurs didn't exist...
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If they execute this game with a good deal of action/adventure, it might have great success. Joan of Arc, the crusades, the fifth plague, etc. are all deep and detailed action stories. If they want to offer their subliminal messages thru that front, it could be pulled off very easily...
However, as with most christian themed styles, it will probably end up being like those talking and singing vegetables, or something lame like that.
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I..... I.... I feel like vomiting.
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The title alone gives me flashbacks of bible adventures and super noah's ark. It will suck. They always suck.
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Can't we just bring back edutainment?
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Christian gaming, eh? Does that mean I can make sure Jesus stays dead this time?
I'm pretty sure that was in bad taste, but I'm going straight to hell anyway, so I figure I may as well enjoy myself on the way. ;)
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[q]ing low, you know what always cheers me up?
Todd: Is it love?
Rod: Kindness?
Bart: Ooh, tough room. Videogames! Whaddya got? [grabs a videogame off the shelf, and reads the title] "Billy Graham's Bible Blaster?"
Rod: Keep firing; convert the heathens!
[cut to a pixilated video screen. Heathens cross the street, as a Bible gun shoots the Holy Book at them. When a heathen gets hit, he turns into a conservatively dressed man with a halo]
[cut back to the boys]
Bart: Got him!
Rod: No, you just winged him and made him a Unitarian.
Todd: Look out, Bart! A gentle Baha'i!
[cut back to the video screen. A Baha'i, sitting cross-legged and wearing a turban, floats past. Bart zaps him, and turns him into another suit-wearing conservative]
[cut back to the boys]
Bart: All right! Full conversion! [puts his arms around Rod and Todd] Thanks guys, this really cheered me up.
Video: Second Coming! Reload, reload!
Todd: Can we play now?
Bart: We are playing. We're a team.
Rod + Todd: [/i][pause] Yay![/q]
I have nothing against the concept bible games.... i mean, they're a bit preachy, but I guess it's to the converted if that's what floats your boat. Of course, they're also usually ****e. Albeit I do wonder if Ayatollah Khomenis' Path to Martyrdom would be regarded in the same light.
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Regarding the success or failure of Christian-themed entertainment items, I will cite but one example: The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Regarding the success or failure of Christian-themed entertainment items, I will cite but one example: The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe.
Themed, though; it's not as overt as bible games. I read the whole series when I was in primary school and never realised it had any religious undercurrent (let alone a specific Christian one). That serves as probably a good example of not letting the religion dominate the entertainment, as it were.
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Yes, my point exactly. That book gets across the message of the cross perfectly well to those that notice it, without being in-your-face. It's an example that anyone in the "Christian" entertainment world should look to follow.
It's sort of like the parables Jesus was so fond of. :p
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I just thought of a hot coffee hack involving Mary Magdelene...
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Regarding the success or failure of Christian-themed entertainment items, I will cite but one example: The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe.
Or you could sight hundreds of movies, TV shows, and books.
Movies:
The Passion of the Christ
The Ten Commandments
Dracula 2000 (you read that right)
The Prince of Egypt
Stigmata
TV Shows:
Touched by an Angel
Joan of Arcadia
7th Heaven
Books:
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
Pilgrim's Progress
The Bible
And those are just what i could think of off the top of my head.
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What, no Dogma?
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His Karma ran over it.
...that was a bad one.
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what about The Life of Brian? That get the message out quite nicely.
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Yeah, the message that religion makes people crazy.
You know what would be great? A game where you take down ALL religions, using science and reason.
"Hooray! I just upgraded my resistance to strawman arguments!"
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I'd play that.
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Originally posted by vyper
I just thought of a hot coffee hack involving Mary Magdelene...
She's no stranger in my manger ;)
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You know a few hacks to this game should end that whole thing of them trying to blame game makers for mods.
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Originally posted by karajorma
You know a few hacks to this game should end that whole thing of them trying to blame game makers for mods.
OMG! Teh naked jesus mod! :sigh:
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Make Jesus an Arab prostitute.
no, make that a gay Arab prostitute. With a 'Jesus loves abortions' t-shirt.
That'd do the business methinks.
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Indeed, how will they ever handle showing kids his long hair? ;)
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OH NO THE CHRISTIANS MADE A GAME....
so they made a game...you don't have to buy it or play it, what's the problem? Unless you arew allowed to propogate your beliefs while being angry when they do it....
grow up.
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They're allowed to make a game, we're allowed to mock them. That's democracy.
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Originally posted by Carl
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The Ten Commandments
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The Prince of Egypt...
Those may have been made by Christians at some level, but they are based upon the Old Testament, and thus are equally relevant to the Jewish people as well.
...just a clarification, not saying they're invalid examples or anything. :p
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
OH NO THE CHRISTIANS MADE A GAME....
so they made a game...you don't have to buy it or play it, what's the problem? Unless you arew allowed to propogate your beliefs while being angry when they do it....
grow up.
That's the kind of attitude that saw people picketing The Life of Brian.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Those may have been made by Christians at some level, but they are based upon the Old Testament, and thus are equally relevant to the Jewish people as well.
...just a clarification, not saying they're invalid examples or anything. :p
Jewish, Christian - it's all the same.
Love me.
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You know not how true that is/should be. But that's a subject for another thread, one that I don't really feell like starting ATM. :D
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Honestly, a game based on the Old Testament could in fact be pretty cool. The Old Testament is the independent cult movie hit, and the New Testament is the watered down, mass-market sequel.
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
so they made a game...you don't have to buy it or play it, what's the problem?
The problem is that they are trying to market it by taking a potshot at the immorality of computer games.
There's nothing wrong with christian computer games but it's worth pointing out that the people who are writing this seem to wish that these sort of games were the only computer games that existed.
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well of course they are kara. Yes they wish that thier games were the only ones, i wish my exwife was blind in one eye....but that don't make it so....let em wish, it will never happen. They can't harm anyone by putting out a game.
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Tell Jack Thompson that.........
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
well of course they are kara. Yes they wish that thier games were the only ones, i wish my exwife was blind in one eye....but that don't make it so....let em wish, it will never happen. They can't harm anyone by putting out a game.
They can however try to harm the games industry by claiming that the reason why their game is good and no one should by anything else is because The Sims is pornographic and Sonic needs to wear clothes.
As such the best way to fight back is to hold these nutcases up for the ridicule they so richly deserve so that no one ever gives their claims the slightest bit of crediblity.
Remember that the "You don't have to buy it or play it" argument also applies to the games they are bad mouthing too. It's not as if they are coming in with clean hands. They spent time disparaging other games, we disparage their games. Why do you have a problem with this?
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Originally posted by karajorma
They can however try to harm the games industry by claiming that the reason why their game is good and no one should by anything else is because The Sims is pornographic and Sonic needs to wear clothes.
Blasphemy! Sonic was meant to bear all, and bear all he shall!
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Those spikes on Sonic's back are dangerous, and should be cut off or covered with soft cushions. Also, he's always running about the place, which is very dangerous for young children to copy; he should walk calmly between places instead.
Oh, and he can't be friends with that gender-bending fox anymore. That's just not right.
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Agreed. Also, Knuckles is obviously a violent influence upon our inncent children. He is no better than the thugs at our middle schools.
But on the plus side, their rival is a mad scientist who's evil is engineering. And as we all know, science is the work of the devil.
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Yer all heathens!!! :shaking:
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Albeit I do wonder if Ayatollah Khomenis' Path to Martyrdom would be regarded in the same light. [/B]
is it bad that that one actually sounds like fun
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Does it have the 9/11 secret level? :p
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No but if we're lucky there is an "escape from the Colliseum before the Romans feed you to the Lions level."
An old Testiment version that is FAITHFUL to the bible would rock...
Remember Sodom and Gormorrah? You are the divine whirlwind and you get to chase down all the heathens and as you touch each one they turn to salt then fall into rubble :P
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...or stop the Earth itself from rotating! ;)
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Originally posted by Getter Robo G
...they turn to salt then fall into rubble :P
If I was a supreme being, I'd try to have a special effects budget higher than the original Star Trek. :p
*boing*
George W. Bush is turned into a salt cube.
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Coming Soon, GTA: Nazareth
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Originally posted by Ace
If I was a supreme being, I'd try to have a special effects budget higher than the original Star Trek. :p
:lol: