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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: ZmaN on August 08, 2005, 05:22:50 pm
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Ok i JUST bought a copy of Freespace 1 off Ebay. I want it to work at a Higher resolution rather than the default (640x480). Is it possible, or am i wasting my time?
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Waste of time.
If you want to run it higher, you need FS2 and the Port.
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It's not possible.
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FS1 only goes up to 640*480 resolution :)
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theres no like registry hacks or nothin? I just wasted 10 dollars then.
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Nah. FS1 felt sooo much better than FS2, and the port cannot duplicate that. You'll love it. It's worth way more than $10.
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What? I enjoyed FS1 as much as the next man... but seriously, it's almost a decade old. It looks like ass.
Actually, whats with all the non-SCP users on these forums? It frankly confuses me that anyone would play retail FS2 under any circumstances (for all the 'looks like ass' reasons for FS1).
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I think it's worth $10 just to own it. It's Freespace. How can ya loose?
Not to mention when you consider those who have had to bid beyond $50 for either FS1 or 2.
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Originally posted by Pnakotus
What? I enjoyed FS1 as much as the next man... but seriously, it's almost a decade old. It looks like ass.
Actually, whats with all the non-SCP users on these forums? It frankly confuses me that anyone would play retail FS2 under any circumstances (for all the 'looks like ass' reasons for FS1).
Read next time, please.
I said it felt better. The atmosphere was better.
A game's age doesn't make it somehow lose it's playability. It doesn't degrade over time.
Freespace 1 does not look like ass, either. Keep your foolish opinions to yourself.
People who want looks over everything are fools, and wind up with games like X2. Everything is so pretty, but the gameplay sucks majorly.
And what makes you think I don't use the SCP? Have I not released several models making use of the SCP's added enhancements?
Have I not made liberal use of HTL and shinemapping? How about the cocpit feature? You think i do this because I think it the SCP is crappy?
Please. Think before you spew.
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FS1 has a certain, quality(?), that FS2 and the port can't emulate. FS1 will always have a special place for me because it was the first one I played. The disks themselves are good for 2 reasons: No downloading for 9 hours. And you can easily back them up.
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Originally posted by Raa
Read next time, please.
I said it felt better. The atmosphere was better.
A game's age doesn't make it somehow lose it's playability. It doesn't degrade over time.
Freespace 1 does not look like ass, either. Keep your foolish opinions to yourself.
People who want looks over everything are fools, and wind up with games like X2. Everything is so pretty, but the gameplay sucks majorly.
And what makes you think I don't use the SCP? Have I not released several models making use of the SCP's added enhancements?
Have I not made liberal use of HTL and shinemapping? How about the cocpit feature? You think i do this because I think it the SCP is crappy?
Please. Think before you spew.
Backhanded insults are so cowardly. You don't have the guts to say you think my opinion sucks, so you wishy-wash all around it. I don't have that problem: FS1 is old. If you want to offer up concrete ways in which SCP is worse, go ahead. If all you've got is subjective 'wah wah I like it don't be a meanie', then shut up.
Accuse me of not reading, then claim I said you don't use SCP... and look like an idiot. Is it fun? Or are you simply dishonest? I was specifically referring to NON-SCP USERS, which you admit you're not. There are, however, many people who ONLY play retail FS2, and SCP is far, far better. Aside from older computers, I can't think of a reason to ever play retail FS2 again. Is that clear enough?
Keep your passive-aggressive garbage to yourself. As it happens, I enjoyed FS1 much more than FS2: I'm simply not going to get all starry-eyed and ignore the low-poly, low-res horror of mid 90s gaming. But my opinion isn't as important as yours, is it?
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So you agree that your opinion sucks? Well, I think the matter has been settled now. :lol:
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Let the doctor dispense the medicine.
Originally posted by Pnakotus
What? I enjoyed FS1 as much as the next man... but seriously, it's almost a decade old. It looks like ass.
GET OUT OF MY SIGHT.
Originally posted by ZmaN
theres no like registry hacks or nothin? I just wasted 10 dollars then.
Uh-huh - bye bye.
Originally posted by Pnakotus
You don't have the guts to say you think my opinion sucks, so you wishy-wash all around it.
YOUR OPINION BOTH SUCKS AND BLOWS AT THE SAME TIME!
There...did we cure everyone?
Time to close.
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My god, this is a pointless arguement.
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allright thats enough, i agree that everyone has a right to thier own opinion, but flaming eachother is not the answer. keep this discussion civilised or this thread is terminated.
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FreeSpace 1 hardly has bad graphics, although they are seeming worse now, after we've seen the awsomeness of FSO. A game having a certain "feel" is not something that can be properly debated, since everyone's opinion on a game's feel will be different.
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So basically this entire argument can be summed up in my Sig:
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
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Originally posted by Windrunner
allright thats enough, i agree that everyone has a right to thier own opinion, but flaming eachother is not the answer. keep this discussion civilised or this thread is terminated.
I completely agree. Feeling or graphics cannot have a factual value given, so it's based on an opinion. You cannot blame anyone for not being on the same opinion.
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You can if said opinion is supported with facts that don't make sense.
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Originally posted by Raa
Nah. FS1 felt sooo much better than FS2, and the port cannot duplicate that. You'll love it. It's worth way more than $10.
Seeing a couple of cruisers going broadside and sh*t loads of blob turrets firing at each (kinda like the battle in Star Wars Ep3) was teh cool.
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Originally posted by BlackDove
You can if said opinion is supported with facts that don't make sense.
Oh noes! I pointed out that FS1 looks like a ten year-old, barely accelerated game and asked why people play retail FS2 when SCP is right there! That makes me a nasty horrible man! Raa totally misrepresenting me and critisizing my taste in games is, of course, beyond reproach.
Your sterling vivisection of my post may well be the height of this decades culture. It wasn't a totally baseless piece of garbage at all, and I'm sure it contributed something beyond 'OMGZOR u disageed wit me!!!111'.
Oh, and to head of the likely responses from the dumb**** brigade: I have never said that FS1 is a bad game. There's nothing wrong with liking FS1, and I own the damn thing. It's more fun than retail FS2. I said it looks like ****.
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To be perfectly honest, looking side-by-side at FS1 and retail FS2, FS1 looks better. It has better texturing. Seriously, it does. Nothing in FS2 has the eye-candy value of the Arcadia or Orion textures. None of FS2's texturing work measures up to the Lucifer. FS2 ships rely on their shape to visually memorable, not their coloration. (Why do you think so many comparisons are drawn between the shape of FS2 ships and other things, but not FS1 ships?)
A Deimos, the Iceni, the Colossus...the tiling is killing me here...
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I myself really don’t care.i like them both for there gameplay and the in-depth story line with the history that flies around it.
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Originally posted by Pnakotus
Oh noes! I pointed out that FS1 looks like a ten year-old, barely accelerated game and asked why people play retail FS2 when SCP is right there! That makes me a nasty horrible man! Raa totally misrepresenting me and critisizing my taste in games is, of course, beyond reproach.
Your sterling vivisection of my post may well be the height of this decades culture. It wasn't a totally baseless piece of garbage at all, and I'm sure it contributed something beyond 'OMGZOR u disageed wit me!!!111'.
Oh, and to head of the likely responses from the dumb**** brigade: I have never said that FS1 is a bad game. There's nothing wrong with liking FS1, and I own the damn thing. It's more fun than retail FS2. I said it looks like ****.
Wow. You need serious mental help. Seek now before it's too late.
I'm actually sorry I said anything. Waste of time.
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So....remind me why you're attacking him so when you haven't presented a single fact for your side of the argument?
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Because when BlackDove "insults" someone, it's funny and not meant to be taken seriously.
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Originally posted by Fenrir
So....remind me why you're attacking him so when you haven't presented a single fact for your side of the argument?
I don't know, maybe because my side of the argument is obivous?
He's whining about a guy missinterperting HIS post, when his post was a missinterpertation of the guy's post he's complaining about.
That warrants severe mental help in itself.
After that, he's trying to insult the rest of us who disagree with his marvelous opinion, based on la-la-land theories and fairy tales?
That was just sad though.
He made one valid question - why people prefer FS2 retail over the SCP?
Gee, maybe the people who use 1.2 have outdated computers? Maybe they don't want to hassle with the SCP because it isn't streamlined? Maybe it crashes for them because they don't have the proper equipment to run it?
ONOZ! SENSE OF REALITY.
There I broke it down partially for you. You can carry over the rest.
Somebody please close this travesty.
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Eh, I don't think any side of any argument should be taken as "obvious." Both sides can claim that clause and get you precisely nowhere.
Yes, there was unwarrented insult on his part. I'm not of the opinion that it warrented an equal display on your part though. Such things tend to go against what you're arguing for in the first place.
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You seem to be coming from a place where you haven't encountered many of these discussions so you seem eager on the argument stage.
Common rules don't apply here. You either have it, or you don't. The best you can do is try to shut the hell up and observe if you don't have it, and endure until you do, otherwise you'll get your head torn off.
Hence - obvious. Some of us have been here for awhile. We don't like it when a retard comes in, and starts shouting incoherent nonsense, followed by childhood defence systems of inept insults.
It's not the insulting that bothers me really. It's the fact that it's BORING that does. Like listening to a broken record with every new know-it-all superman that registers.
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Heh. I can see your point there.
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This thread feels very "edgy" :nervous:
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This can be a T.V show it has all the right stuff the bad guy the her.... well everbody is the bad guy.
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I love reading these types of threads... :D
Anyway, I'm actually playing the FS1 campaign again myself. I got the game back in 1998 when it first came out, for $55. The port is nice but it's missing quite a few things from the original game and is not really a true replacement for that.
Saying that FS1 looks bad is like saying that the original Doom has poor graphics. Of course it looks bad by today's standards, but you don't play old games to admire the graphics.
However, I agree that the 640x480 limitation really sucks (FS2 really benefits from higher resolutions, more than most other games, and I have gotten used to playing FS2 open in 2048x1536), but there isn't anything that can be done about that. I partially compensate for it by using the crazy 16x AA mode. It usually slows things down to a crawl but works fine in older stuff like this at such a low resolution. At any rate, all this doesn't really detract from the actual gameplay, which is still just as good as when I played it for the first time seven years ago.
The ship textures are outstanding, way better than the ones in FS2, but you have to use a registry hack to use them in their full sizes.
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That and the Cut-scenes; I first played FS1 only a few months ago, that was after about a Year or so of FS2, and while i must concede that the overall Graphics in terms of Background Nebulae in FS1 are, in essence, nicely coloured blobs, everything else looked as good as I thought it would be.
But it was the Cut-scenes that really floored me. In FS2, the opening Cinematic just doesn't do anything for me, the Orion is blocky, Lucy's okay, but not great, and those damn Medusas! The opening FS1 Cinematic I just plain love; the slow pullback out of the flaming engine, the cockpitt of the Apollo, and Riviera Station itself, it all just looks amazingly better than anything FS2 had to offer Cinematically...well, save the Supernova of course :D...
And I agree with the FSPort, good as it is, just missing the same feel that FS1 put forth. I actually played the Port before i played Retail FS1, and while I stopped playing the Port halfway through, i just couldn't put the Joystick down during the real FS1 (that's not to say the Port is a lacklustre experience, it just doesn't have the same feel).
...and that, ladies and gentlemen, is my Three Cents, i'd like my change now please :p...
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Originally posted by Pnakotus
...why people play retail FS2 when SCP is right there! ...
Stabilty and reliability.
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And proper support for TNT2 cards! :D
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Originally posted by TopAce
Stabilty and reliability.
:nod: And low-end computers.
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I don't think it is a problem nowadays.
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Hey everybody with low end PCs. TopAce is offering to pay for you to upgrade to a FS2_Open capable PC.
Form an orderly queue :p
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I'm already in line...
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Now TopAce..... will that be cash or check?
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I prefer cash. :D
Seriously, from what I saw in the Ferrium Forum 'post your specs' survey, our machines can run FreeSpace Open very well, in terms of Frames per second.
Or I could ask what you call a low-end?
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Did you ever stop to think that the people with lower end PC might not want to trumpet that fact from the rooftops? :D
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....people with low end machines most likely aren't interested in Ferrium anyway.
Like me for example.
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Originally posted by Swantz
This thread feels very "edgy" :nervous:
VERY!
Yea i was thinking about that, are there even ANY cut scenes in Port? I dont think there are..... Interesting.
Oh and BTW, you guys on this board are soooo funny, i mean i started a thread on Freespace 1 resolution, and you guys are arguin over whats better, i mean, well its kinda funny.
As for 1 verses 2, yes 1 has a feel that port cannot replicate, i mean ive only played like 20 mins of it, but Freespace 1 has something in it that I cant put my finger on, that cant re replicated in port. Its that simple. They are ALMOST the same, but Freespace 1 is better in this category, now as for resolution, DUH its gunna be better, but in todays society, we are used to playing games in 1600x1200, that was unheard of back even 5 years, which isnt too far back. So The graphics are the same, if both 1 and 2 both had 1024x768 resolution, i would vote freespace 1 for feel and gameplay, freespace 2 for storyline, and BOTH for being the BEST SPACE SIM EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by ZmaN
Yea i was thinking about that, are there even ANY cut scenes in Port? I dont think there are..... Interesting.
The port has exactly the same cutscenes that the original has IIRC. If you're running FS2_Open you have to get the avi versions in the same way as you have to for FS2.
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I do not like these kind of post but it is fun to read.