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Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Kazan on August 17, 2005, 04:45:15 pm

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
   
 - [then]Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)


So why doesn't he enlighten us on the iraqi exit strategy :D


(PS: my brother served in Kosovo - they had the solid intelligence, the equipment, the clear objectives, and the clear exit conditions needed to win that operation and they did so)



Source:  Here's what Republicans said about Clinton and Kosovo (http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2005/08/17/heresWhatRepublicansSaidAboutClintonAndKosovo.html)

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Kosh on August 17, 2005, 04:53:13 pm

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they had the solid intelligence,

Their intelligence wasn't solid enough to avoid bombing the Chinese embassy. :p

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Kazan on August 17, 2005, 04:54:04 pm

a misplaced bomb is the fault of the pilot or guidance system - not the intelligence service

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Roanoke on August 17, 2005, 04:55:51 pm

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"President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be

Details, details

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Charismatic on August 17, 2005, 04:56:08 pm

Yeah, good point, Kazan.

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Kosh on August 17, 2005, 04:56:30 pm

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Originally posted by Kazan
a misplaced bomb is the fault of the pilot or guidance system - not the intelligence service

The pilot had the right coordinates, the guidence system performed flawlessly, but the intelligence service used an outdated map.

That building wasn't always the embassy, it used to be something else. Don't believe me, then look it up.


EDIT: But lets get back on topic.

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Windrunner on August 17, 2005, 05:01:03 pm

so what?? is it bad that clinton desided to bomb serbia? for me as a refugee from bosnia and herzegovina it was one of the best descisions an american president ever made.

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Kazan on August 17, 2005, 05:01:05 pm

Kosh: yeah - screw ups happen occasionally - it's when screw ups happen daily that it's a problem

getting back on the topic of Mr bush is a hypocrit

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: karajorma on August 17, 2005, 05:02:09 pm

Forget the Embassy. Talk about them bombing Bulgaria by mistake. :D

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Kosh on August 17, 2005, 05:03:17 pm

I think it's funny how political parties have tendencies to flip-flop like this.

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Kazan on August 17, 2005, 05:54:54 pm

Kosh: yeah except the entire time the democrats objections on the war haven't been "we shouldn't go to war at all" it's "this is the wrong war at the wrong time"

the democrats were on board for afghanistan

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: pyro-manic on August 17, 2005, 05:56:54 pm

Meh, flip-flopping (where's aldo's pic???) is pretty much a given for most politicians. Expediency uber alles...

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Kazan on August 17, 2005, 06:04:51 pm

yeah but "Flip-flopping" is overused - it's valid to change your mind when you learn new information

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: pyro-manic on August 17, 2005, 06:17:24 pm

Fair point. But a politician working at the national/international level should probably make sure he/she has all the relevant information before making their views clear. I think we should be able to expect at least that level of competency from anyone in a position of power....

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Col. Fishguts on August 17, 2005, 06:40:20 pm

Flip-flop. (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electronic/ietron/jk2.gif)

on topic: What else did you expect ? But this is completely different... the U.S. can't withdraw from Iraq, because they first have to find those danged WMDs .... oh wait a minute.....

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Kazan on August 17, 2005, 07:07:39 pm

pyro-manic: yeah you're correct - sometimes new evidence comes out in new studies though

fishguts: nice image :D

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: aldo_14 on August 17, 2005, 07:10:28 pm

I ****ing hate that term 'flip flop'.

 It's so typical of the screwed up US electoral system that a neologism like that emerges, where it's now better to be wrong and stay wrong than possibly look at the facts and change your mind.

Because we swa this US massive election where the issues were truly world impacting - war, foreign politics, religion in government.   And what did we get from these great political strategists, all this fevered debate?  'Flip flop'

Flip...****ing flop.

What a great way to see the worlds 'greatest' democracy in action.

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: vyper on August 17, 2005, 07:17:22 pm

Ah, kosovo - you mean the place where ethnic cleansing began AFTER we attacked?

Oh wait, we invaded to stop that from happening.

Hmm, something isn't right here eh? :rolleyes:

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Kazan on August 17, 2005, 07:34:47 pm

vyper: you mean the ethnic cleansing that was ALREADY happening - they just realized "oh **** we don't have much time" and picked it up

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Rictor on August 17, 2005, 11:45:34 pm

(http://graphics.samsclub.com/images/products/0040617458699_LG.jpg) (http://www.resource.nsw.gov.au/murfy/images/Can.gif) (http://www.jmgkids.com/media/JMG-worm-mascot.jpg)

more developments later.

Title: Bush on Kosovo vs Bush on Iraq
Post by: Windrunner on August 17, 2005, 11:56:45 pm

this thread is rapidly turning into spam, i am closing before it does