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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: redmenace on August 23, 2005, 04:16:45 am
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/08/22/D8C595H80.html
I don't like Chavez, but that is totally insane. This view doesn't represent most level headed christians. This is just insane. I didn't like him before, but now, just wow.
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:wtf: that's just crazy! why the hell would he say that? he must have lost it. went off the deep end.
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What the hell...?
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Shocking. Not. The guy's rabid:
Originally said by Pat Robertson, 700 Club 1/18/95:
[Homosexuals]want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers.
This is the real face of the Christian Coalition (though NOT Christianity as a whole... I hope).
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The CC is a minority fringe group. They are everybit as nuts as MoveOn.org and NARAL. I almost never agree with their positions.
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The guys a complete wankpot. I'm just glad the US seems to have a monopoly on these guys (at least in terms of giving them their TV time).
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He is free to say what he wants, purchase the air time to do it, or have stations air his load of ****. Most christians I know don't pay any attention to what he says. The guy is like Jerry Farwell of crack.
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Actually, I hope Bush is crazy enough to listen to him. Assassinate Chavez and watch as oil shipments stop and all of Latin America turns (even more) against the US, to say nothing of the world. I don't at all envy the US right now; they obviously hate the man and what him gone, but everything they've tried has failed and military action would make the situation ten times worse. Suckers.
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Wasn't there an attempted military coup
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There was, followed by an oil lockout (the same script as Chile 1973), but both of those failed, as did all their other plots. Unless Chavez goes out and sets an orphanage on fire, he's untouchable.
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Umm, Pat Robertson has been a moron.:lol:
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Originally posted by redmenace
He is free to say what he wants, purchase the air time to do it, or have stations air his load of ****. Most christians I know don't pay any attention to what he says. The guy is like Jerry Farwell of crack.
Well, what I mean is we simply don't get people like that over here. I know he's not atall representative of the Us or Christians in general, unless there's been a sudden breakdown of mental health over the Atlantic :D
There's one guy who led a bunch of protests against the Jerry Springer opera being televised, but it was a really rare, very unusual thing to even hear of. So... when the US has elections where religion comes into play (abortion, homosexual marriage, all that stuff), it's barely mentioned over here; we tend to push the other way in fact.
Robertson called Scotland 'a dark land', overrun homosexuals (which is one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard; the Scottish devolved parliament is probably more left-leaning than Westminister, but I'm not sure the people here are particularly tolerant compared to the rest of the UK). And the resulting annoyance at it led to people forcing the Bank of Scotland tosever ties with him (he was to be chairman of some US based offshoot company). I think the consumer protest hit the Banks share prices to the tune of about £400m, incidentally.
Similar way as you won't see British (or Scottish) flags hanging next to ordinary suburban houses as you would see US flags, for example, or the whole 'right to own a gun' thing; just cultural differences.
Anyways, you can see why I think this guys a dick, and I'm wondering if he'd be prosecuted for inciting racial(?) hatred or the like over here. This bbc article - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/359136.stm - has some choice quotes;
[q]"In Scotland, you can't believe how strong the homosexuals are. It's just simply unbelievable," he told his viewers.
Scotland's religious past was no more, he said. "I don't think it exists any more. And what could happen? It could go right back to the darkness very easily."
"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women, It is about a socialist anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practise witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians"
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Anyways, he's a bigoted dick.
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No, he's a hilarious bigoted dick, and a good con-man at that.
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"Yes, you can donate money using your credit card. Give us your credit card number. We need your money..."
Honestly he is as much of a shake down artist as Jesse Jackson
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Personally I just think people need to hit new low's to get ratings.
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Praise the Lord!
And you too can praise him with the Pat Robertson Fat Free Holy Grilling Machine!*
Just send $129.99 and your credit card number to 1-800-OPIUMFORTHEMASSES or go to hell!
*a George Foreman grill with the branding sandpapered off and sprinkled with tap...sorry, holy water.
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I hope he gets caught with a black male prostitute.
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
What the hell...?
Exactly my reaction. Word-for-word, in fact.
Kind of ironic. :p
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LOL! According to Sharon, Lesbians would be far too sensible to wear heels as high as half the girls in Glasgow on a Friday night.
You know, I would pay cash money to see this guy give the same speech at Clydebank shopping centre.
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Originally posted by redmenace
He is free to say what he wants, purchase the air time to do it, or have stations air his load of ****. Most christians I know don't pay any attention to what he says. The guy is like Jerry Farwell of crack.
Yes, he is free to say what he wants, but the stations can pull him if they feel he is not representing them, and there's nothing he can do about that, so let's see how long it takes for him to get yanked. Of course, there will be stations that just don't care.
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Originally posted by Flipside
LOL! According to Sharon, Lesbians would be far too sensible to wear heels as high as half the girls in Glasgow on a Friday night.
You know, I would pay cash money to see this guy give the same speech at Clydebank shopping centre.
Little Ireland? He may have a few fans.
As for the heels - it makes it more difficult for them to escape MWAHAHA!
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
I hope he gets caught with a black male prostitute.
[color=66ff00]I hope he gets caught by any male prostitute.
Why the black reference BTW is he also a white supremisist?
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Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson called on Monday for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him a "terrific danger" to the United States.
He's only a "danger" because he isn't a puppet of the Americans.
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Originally posted by EtherShock
Yes, he is free to say what he wants, but the stations can pull him if they feel he is not representing them, and there's nothing he can do about that, so let's see how long it takes for him to get yanked. Of course, there will be stations that just don't care.
I have no doubt that they will never pull him. I mean he has made so many comments. They do seem to put him on TV later and later at night.
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Isn't the 700 Club on Sunday mornings?
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]I hope he gets caught by any male prostitute.
Why the black reference BTW is he also a white supremisist?
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It's a fair bet that a significant percentage of his followers are either way.
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Indeed. Racial bigotry is still a very strong factor in the religious right. It's just more underhanded than it used to be.
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/08/23/D8C5NJBO0.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/politics/23cnd-robertson.html?ei=5065&en=9c28c403240188b3&ex=1125460800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print
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I'm not saying he's right.
But just because he said it, you guys are blowing up, I mean if Jaque Chirac(sp?) had called for the same thing he'd be getting a pass.
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If Jacques Chirac said it I would be wondering if there's something we don't know. Pat Robertson is a clown-- a veritable court jester for the general population, and so we simply enjoy laughing derisively at his demented antics.
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Originally posted by karajorma
It's a fair bet that a significant percentage of his followers are either way.
Eh...questionable. Most white supremicist groups have their own strange little religons that both do and do not resemble Christianity as the rest of us understand it, and tend to consider even those who are whacko-fringe but still vaguely mainstream heretical. They might like what he's saying, but they don't like the man.
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I think I saw this show on TV once while I was flipping channels. I wonder if the CRTC will tell the Canadian channel to yank the program.
You guys may not have, but we've got some laws up here that may make that comment there against law or broadcasting regulations.
I wonder where this will all lead....if to anything.
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IceFire, I thought Canada was "Free Speech Land"?
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Nope, far from it. America is far better in that department. Canada prohibits all sorts of speech, as do most European countries as I recall.
As for the comments, it doesn't matter to me who made them. Advocating the assassination of heads of state, especially democratic ones, is wrong. The fact that Robertson said it only makes him a hypocrite, not to mention a lousy Christian (whatever happened to "turn the other cheeck"), but it's what was said, not who said it, that's the problem. For all that, by no means would I support censoring him or anyone else.
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yes, if we censor him we would loose a valuable source of entertainment.
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Originally posted by Liberator
I'm not saying he's right.
But just because he said it, you guys are blowing up, I mean if Jaque Chirac(sp?) had called for the same thing he'd be getting a pass.
1.) We aren't exactly blowing up
2.) Jaques Chirac actually says intelligent things sometimes
3.) If Jaques Chirac said something stupid like that, he would most likely get flamed a lot worse by the French public then we could ever do. He isn't exactly the most popular person in France.
yes, if we censor him we would loose a valuable source of entertainment.
:lol: Indeed.
as do most European countries as I recall.
In Germany the Nazi party and everything Nazi-ish is against the law.
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Originally posted by Kosh
In Germany the Nazi party and everything Nazi-ish is against the law.
[color=66ff00]Yeah, this is the case as far as I'm aware. Hence the exodus to other countries.
Did you know that it's illegal in most EU countries to be a holocaust denier? I was reading about it on wikipedia last week.
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And what are the chances of the EU adopting a "all speech is free, no matter what" clause? I'de say somewhere between zero and none. It's a shame, but recent polls show that people (not just in Europe, in Canada, Australia and elsewhere) don't hold liberty in high regard when faced with the terrorist boogeyman. I just wish people had the brains to figure out the statistical likelyhood of being caught up in a terrorist attack, and get on with their lives.
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The EU thing would as much be about the lasting effects of World War 2 as any current terrorist problem. With specific reference to the holocaust denier stuff.
I think... you'll find that a lot of surveys show people are willing to give up civil liberties for security, but they'll become very, very quiet when asked what civil liberties they'd give up.
Oh, and Lib - if Chirac said it he'd be rightly castigated. Probably far more harshly than Robertson, because Chirac isn't a laughing stock. For the most part.
We're not criticisng Pat Robertson because he's a right wing Christian, we're criticising him because he's an irrational, fundamentalist, bigoted quasi-facist bawsack with no interest beyond his own self-propagandization.
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IIRC, the EU has been seeking or is seeking to question people poeple with out lawyers present and to do random searches of businesses.
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Originally posted by redmenace
IIRC, the EU has been seeking or is seeking to question people poeple with out lawyers present and to do random searches of businesses.
Blame the UK for that sort of thing.......
um, I can't find anything stating that (I wouldn't be surprised if Clarke had shoved it into some proposal, though). All I found was an April 04 draft framework proposal that would prevent questioning without lawyers (as was legal in some member states).
This is the current stuff; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4675787.stm
Obviously the biometric ID stuff is a particular concern, as is the data retention plan (although the German courts have already ruled it illegal domestically, so i would be surprised to see a veto type situation). But there's no concrete proposals I'm aware to legalise questioning without lawyers or allow random searches without evidence.
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
Eh...questionable. Most white supremicist groups have their own strange little religons that both do and do not resemble Christianity as the rest of us understand it, and tend to consider even those who are whacko-fringe but still vaguely mainstream heretical. They might like what he's saying, but they don't like the man.
If this idiot classifies as a christian then so does what the KKK and other white supremicist groups believe.
OF course you could easily state that Pat Robertson has his own strange little religon that both does and does not resemble Christianity as the rest of us understand it and I'd probably agree with you :D
Originally posted by Liberator
But just because he said it, you guys are blowing up, I mean if Jaque Chirac(sp?) had called for the same thing he'd be getting a pass.
Bollocks. If Chirac called for America to kill someone not only would be lambasting him for it we'd be calling him an idiot for not just simply getting his own bloody secret service to do it instead of announcing to the world that he wanted it done. :p
You'll need to find a better way to defend the guy Lib cause none of us are buying this argument.
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'Quick! Shoot ze President!'
'But I am le tired'
'Ok, take a nap, and THEN shoot ze president!'
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050824/D8C6DTO80.html
Just wow.
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I love that. He makes an arse of himself. Gets taped doing it and then tries to deny he ever said anything of the sort.
What a w**ker.
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How could he be misrepresented? This is just too funny. :lol:
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If Jacques Chirac had said what Robertson said, I'd declare him out of order. If Clinton had said what Robertson said, I'd declare him out of order too. I respect his right to say what he said (no matter that he denies it now--love that was on a site called "MyWayNews"), but I reserve the right to call him a jackass.
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the first four paragraphs say it all
Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson insisted Wednesday that he did not call for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, despite comments broadcast on his program two days earlier.
"I didn't say 'assassination,'" Robertson said Wednesday on his Christian Broadcast Network show "The 700 Club" about remarks reported by The Associated Press and other media outlets.
"I said our special forces should 'take him out."Take him out' could be a number of things including kidnapping.
"There are a number of ways of taking out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted by the AP, but that happens all the time."
we have to live with this guy, and he's been doing this **** for years, we all remember the
"Gays caused 9/11!"
"hehe, you got to love these media people, hehe, I.. I never blamed the gays for 9/11, I was just misrepresented in the liberal media that wants to paint me as some waky.... ....and that's why Jesus loves us, but hates gays and wants us to kill them becaue he loves us"
"now why is it that the media, wich is liberal and biased, and out to get me trying to shoe words into my mouth, I never called for the genoside of all gay people, I simply pointer out that that is what you would do if it was a thousand years ago and you were christian... ...we need to embrace our traditions of old, we need to pass a constitutional amendment allowing the biblicaly based punishment of hethens and sodomites"
(not actual quotes)
at some point we just get tired of picking on him as he's obviusly liveing in his own world, and has no desier to to visit ours
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Keep picking on him. The "moral majority" has a diproportional amount of power. Nutcases like him remove a lot of that power by showing fundementalist for what they really are so it's a good idea to keep him in the news :)
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I wouldn't even classify him as a fundamentalist. He is far too warped.
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"I said our special forces should 'take him out."Take him out' could be a number of things including kidnapping.[/q]
Oh, well that's just fine then.
Maybe he wanted to take Chavez away to a quiet Italian resteraunt for dinner before shagging him?
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No, the Special Forces were supposed to take him out to dinner. Presumeably Pat Robertson has some kind of lead that Chavez is gay, making him a threat to National Security. :D