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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: WeatherOp on August 26, 2005, 10:52:23 am
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Hurricane Katrina has entered the gulf of Mexico, after crossing Florida killing 4, it's winds are now up to 100mph, making Katrina a Cat.2 storm. Rapid Strengthening is expected. As another Major hurricane gets ready to pound the SouthEast again.
http://www.nbc6.net/weather/4899415/detail.html (http://www.nbc6.net/weather/4899415/detail.html)
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There is another one AFTER Katrina? Man.
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Category 2? So what. Call me when it's a Cat 3 or 4 :p
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(http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GIFS/HUIR.JPG)
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call me when it's windspeeds compare to a tornado :P
[actually 100mph is enough for F1 status IIRC]
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Originally posted by Kazan
call me when it's windspeeds compare to a tornado :P
[actually 100mph is enough for F1 status IIRC]
Go, back and find Video of Frances. Or go back and find video of last night, when this thing came ashore with 80mph winds.
You really can't compare Tornado winds to Hurricane winds.
Originally posted by Unknown Target
Category 2? So what. Call me when it's a Cat 3 or 4 :p
How about Cat.5?
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I knew a girl named Katrina, she was a bitch too
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Originally posted by Bobboau
I knew a girl named Katrina, she was a bitch too
Should rename the storm Katrina the hurricane ***** :D
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Models currently have it on NO, as possible a Cat.4 or Cat.5 storm!:eek2:
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Hurricane Katrina is a Major Hurricane with winds of 115mph, NHC's track has Katrina hitting New Orleans sometime in the time frame of late Monday/Early Tuesday as a Cat.4 with winds over 140mph, Cat.5 is possible!
If the Hurricane takes the right track, a storm surge over 16 feet will flood over most of the area. And Evacuations have started. Allthough the track it not certain.
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>>; How people can stand to live in such places is beyond me.
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Well, it's normally not this terrible, and people have to live somewhere, but weather conditions across the globe are gradually changing, it's a measurable, detectable shift now. One of the Earths polar ice caps actually dissapears during the summer now, theres nothing but water there.
Something is changing, I don't know whether humanity is influencing that change or not, but I have a bad suspicions things are going to get worse before we have answers.
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Take your pick...
• Seasonal hurricanes in costal regions.
• Psychotic heat and forest fires in the Western US
• Tornados in the midwest US.
• Bitter, bitter cold and pounding (read: 'lake-effect' for the Northern US) snows to the 'extreme' north and south.
• Sandstorms in the middle east.
• Plague in Africa.
• Hole in the O-zone over Australia.
Seriously, it doesn't matter where you live because every locality has its own set of natural disasters to worry about. Of course, since a lot of those natural disasters happen on a seasonal basis, the real solution is to be nomadic. Food that isn't hunted is overrated anyway, right? ;)
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Please don't hit New Orleans. My jazz band was thinking of taking a trip down there this year.
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If this hits New Orleans as a Cat.4 in the right way you can say goodbye, I just hope everybody down there is taking this seriously.:doubt:
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Bah. New Orleans was going to murder itself right into a ghost town anyway.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
I knew a girl named Katrina, she was a bitch too
Same here. Maybe that's a trait that comes with the name?
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Here in Britain, we have fairly mediocre bad weather the whole time.
Like having tropical weather kind of averaged out over the whole year, really.
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Katrina has reached Cat.5 with winds greater than 160mph, central pressure is down to 908 millbars making Katrina one of the strongest Hurricanes ever recorded in the Atlantic.:eek:
(http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/FLOAT/RGB/20.jpg)
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O_O Holy crap! Have they ever been hit with something this big before?
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Originally posted by Descenterace
Here in Britain, we have fairly mediocre bad weather the whole time.
Like having tropical weather kind of averaged out over the whole year, really.
That's the good thing about Scotland - the weathers' utter ****, but it doesn't kill us :D
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Originally posted by EtherShock
O_O Holy crap! Have they ever been hit with something this big before?
I don't know about us but I do know that one, actually called a Typhoon, since it's in the Pacific, but still the same thing, hit land somewhere over in the eastern Pacific.
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Originally posted by EtherShock
O_O Holy crap! Have they ever been hit with something this big before?
If you are talking about New Orleans, no they have never been hit like this.
If you talking about the US, yes, 3 Cat.5s, Strongest 1935 I think, winds over 200mph, than Camille and Andrew.
And by the way, winds are now up to 175mph, and still getting stronger. Pressure 902 millabars. This could possible be the most power storm that has ever crossed the Atlantic.:eek2:
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Yeah, I was talking about New Orleans, but it doesn't matter. I read about it online.
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Yikes (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050828/ap_on_re_us/katrina_the_big_one_1)
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Redundant (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,34789.0.html)
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hehe, didnt notice that why, oh why can I not delete this thread! :(
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Originally posted by Swantz
hehe, didnt notice that why, oh why can I not delete this thread! :(
[color=66ff00]Not to worry, I'll just merge them instead.
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Thanks Maeg! Now I've linked this thread to itself! ;)
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I hope any of you who've wanted to see new orleans sometime in your lives have, because soon it'll be lake new orleans. NO is like 15 feet below sea level, stratled by a lake on one side (held back by a levy) and the mississippi (held back by a levy) on the other. it needs constant pumping to keep the entier thing from sinking into the sea _when it's dry!_ and it now has possably the strongest storm ever about to hit it directly.
this city is no longer going to exsist after tomarro.
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My God...all we can do now is pray for them...
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Originally posted by StratComm
Thanks Maeg! Now I've linked this thread to itself! ;)
[color=66ff00]I'm just imagining some tired HLP'er wondering why every time he clicks the link he gets deja-vu. :lol:
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well this seems to be wrath of God level destruction, it seems he wants that city gone, so I don't know weather that means that would be a good or bad idea. at this point there realy isn't much more to do, it's in the process of hitting, so anyone still in there has to try and find something tall were they won't drown but yet short enough that it won't get destroyed, it's too late to run for the fools who haven't done so yet.
it can not be understated that this is _the_ worst case senario, actualy this is worse than anyone would have thought of, for years the benchmark most horable thing to happen is NO getting hit by a storm, it's not only getting hit, but it's getting hit directly by the worst thing ever.
to give some idea what is going to happen, there is going to be 50 feet deep water covering the city.
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What scares me is close to 100,000 people are taking shelter in the Superdome in NO. It can stand winds of 200 mph. Could this reach that intensity? It's possible, the pressure is 904 millabars, making it the 4th strongest storm to prowl the atlantic. Allthough the winds are now down to 160 mph, and you would think it's weakening, but all CAt.5s can do that, and come right back. It is moving over 90 degree water, that water can support a central pressure of 880 millabars, with winds speeds well over 200mph, with gusts even higher.
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Originally posted by WeatherOp
What scares me is close to 100,000 people are taking shelter in the Superdome in NO.
I was just saying this to my mom, but I'm more worried about the flooding
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Yeh thats a big problem,while the building might withstand the winds,all those people will be trapped when the flood waters rise.:sigh:
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I don't know the city layout of New Orleans (never been there) so I don't know how vulnerable a position it's in for flooding. Remember though, the Superdome is a football stadium. Those tend to have 15-foot walls from the field to the first row of seats. I'd imagine people will be put in the stands and the upper levels rather than on the field, so the water would have to get pretty high to be really threatening. The problem will more likely come when the power fails and the storm subsides, only to have 10k people trapped inside.
And it's 10,000, not 100,000. That's a big difference, because those 10,000 have plenty of places to go in the Superdome that are both structurally sound to a greater degree than the dome itself and significantly above ground level. They should be fine, from a life-and-limb perspective, as long as they aren't forced to stay there long enough for disease to be an issue. It's the complete devestation of the city that's more worrying.
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well after the storm that may be tall enough to keep people alive, but the water is going to get about 50 feet deep.
the weather girl on the news just now looked like she was about to totaly freak out and break down crying, and she is in ney york. she has some idea what's comeing.
describeing this as biblical in proportions is an understatment.
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If you want a scope of the damage read this from the NWS.
URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005
...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...
.HURRICANE KATRINA...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED
STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.
MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.
HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.
AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.
POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.
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it's going to make land fall in 7 hours.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Not to worry, I'll just merge them instead.
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Thanks:)
HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.
In a kind of strange way I think that would be neat to see.
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superdome is going to hold 20-30,000, they are going to be there for a week or two.
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Believe me, you wouldn't want to be there to see it. I've been in a hurricane once - and it was at best category 1 when it was as far inland as I lived - and it's not a pleasant thing to experience. This thing has wind speeds of twice what I experienced, lots more rainfall, larger size, and just happens to be hitting the one place on the entire east coast that is both highly succeptable to flooding and a densely-packed city made of primarily low-to-medium grade housing and older, smaller buildings, all in one go. I'm not trying to downplay the situation at all (I just think that the Superdome will be able to handle what's thrown at it). It's as bad a weather disaster as you can get.
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well I had better get my loot'n gear in oder and refuel the overcraft.
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There wont be much worth looting afterwards.
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It's been downgraded to cat 4 at the moment. That's probably not a massive relief, of course.
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made land fall, massive flooding everywere.
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Nasty.
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Haven't heard much about any flooding of the catastrophic level in New Orleans itself, but that could just be because it'll be a long while before news can get out easily. From what I've heard, other than some minor roof damage, the Superdome's holding up pretty well. I have heard that the storm surge is not as horrifically huge as was first feared, but it's still around 15-20 feet over much of the affected area, and New Orleans is by no means out of the woods. Apparently, the Mississippi coast is getting the worst of the surge/wave damage. I'm still praying that the city of New Orleans manages to pull through.
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Was down to cat 2 last I heard. The 'wrath of God' stuff would seem to be a bit hyperbolic......at least so far.
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Originally posted by BlueFlames
Take your pick...
• Seasonal hurricanes in costal regions.
• Psychotic heat and forest fires in the Western US
• Tornados in the midwest US.
• Bitter, bitter cold and pounding (read: 'lake-effect' for the Northern US) snows to the 'extreme' north and south.
• Sandstorms in the middle east.
• Plague in Africa.
• Hole in the O-zone over Australia.
Seriously, it doesn't matter where you live because every locality has its own set of natural disasters to worry about. Of course, since a lot of those natural disasters happen on a seasonal basis, the real solution is to be nomadic. Food that isn't hunted is overrated anyway, right? ;)
Actually being nomadic won't help you at all as the weather ig getting incresingly beserk everywhere.
I live in a town where tens of thousands of turists from all over the world come trogh every summer.. and I tend to talk with them a lot.
They all complain about the ****ed up weather in the last few years and it's getting worse.. Seasons are no longer recognizible.
the global warming has practicly ruined the end of my summer as the temperature suddenly dropped drasticly which is unheard of in these parts. Normally such oddities happen from time to time, but are terribly rare (we're talking once every 50 years or so) but lately is becoming ever more drastic and more often.
anbd I have turists from all over Europe, US and some from asia saying teh climate is going to hell.
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Scotland is fine. Wet and cold, but no disasters here :)
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Only MSPs.
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I haven't noticed any irregularities in climate around where I live (Northeast US); things are pretty much the same as they have been for the past 10 or 15 years.
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Look at this.:eek2: Aftermath in NO. Someone please change the title, Cause we have NEVER went through this before!
http://www.wdsu.com/video/4909353/detail.html (http://www.wdsu.com/video/4909353/detail.html)
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you know actualy I think they got off lucky, I was expecting it to be a whole bunch worse.
maybe they can turn this into a good thing, make NO into a sort of Venice type thing.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
you know actualy I think they got off lucky, I was expecting it to be a whole bunch worse.
They did, they got the weaker West side of the eyewall, if Kat had hit west of NO, it would be far worse. :doubt: However the hardest hit areas, have not been herd from. As they got hit from a storm surge over 25 feet high. If thats the case, we have a new record in surge height.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/hurricane_katrina
55 dead.
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there is aparently wild looting,
thanks for talking me out of it :doubt:
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I herd that another levee has broke and the french quarter, that didn't sustain much damage is now flooding.
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What else's next?
http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/30/markets/oil.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
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BILOXI, Mississippi (Reuters) - Hundreds may have been killed by Hurricane Katrina in the Mississippi Gulf Coast city of Biloxi after being trapped in their homes when a 30-foot (9 meter) storm surge came ashore, a spokesman for the city said on Tuesday.
"It's going to be in the hundreds," Vincent Creel told Reuters. "Camille was 200, and we're looking at a lot more than that," he said, referring to Hurricane Camille, which hit the area in 1969 and destroyed swaths of Mississippi and Louisiana.
© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.
Copied from a post by Xtreme Weather
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Originally posted by WeatherOp
BILOXI, Mississippi (Reuters) - Hundreds may have been killed by Hurricane Katrina in the Mississippi Gulf Coast city of Biloxi after being trapped in their homes when a 30-foot (9 meter) storm surge came ashore, a spokesman for the city said on Tuesday.
"It's going to be in the hundreds," Vincent Creel told Reuters. "Camille was 200, and we're looking at a lot more than that," he said, referring to Hurricane Camille, which hit the area in 1969 and destroyed swaths of Mississippi and Louisiana.
© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.
Copied from a post by Xtreme Weather
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Oh dear, that sounds pretty bad :(
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Governor: Worse than Camille
Thousands of homes destroyed; Katrina's death toll to rise
Tuesday, August 30, 2005; Posted: 11:24 p.m. EDT (03:24 GMT)
BILOXI, Mississippi (CNN) -- Hurricane Katrina has inflicted more damage to Mississippi's beach towns than Hurricane Camille did, and its death toll is likely to be higher, the state's governor said Tuesday.
Camille killed 143 people when it struck the state's coastal counties in 1969 and a total of 256 after it swept inland.
"There are structures after structures that survived Camille with minor damage that are not there any more," said Gov. Haley Barbour, after touring the affected areas of his state by helicopter.
In the small town of Bay St. Louis, search and rescue crews marked with red paint homes known to contain bodies, because there weren't enough refrigerated trucks to remove the corpses, according to CNN correspondent Gary Tuchman.
Jason Green, of the Harrison County Coroner's Office, said funeral homes in Gulfport had received 26 bodies since the storm passed. Residents who have returned to their homes were calling to report bodies or were bringing them to funeral homes, he said.
And in Biloxi, emergency crews fear 30 people died in an apartment complex on the beach when the building collapsed in the storm. (See scenes of the devastation in Biloxi -- 1:34)
Katrina drove a 25-foot wall of water over the beaches of southern Mississippi and into the towns along U.S. Highway 90 Monday, after it came ashore at Buras, Louisiana as a Category 4 hurricane.
Katrina destroyed "every one" of the casinos that raked in a half-million dollars per day to state coffers, Barbour said. And he said there was "enormous damage" to Belvoir, the Biloxi home of Confederate President Jefferson Davis, which survived Camille with little damage.
"There were 10- and 20-block areas where there was nothing -- not one home standing," he said.
Many of the state's waterfront casinos are located along U.S. Highway 90, which was underwater Tuesday.
Eastbound lanes of Interstate 10 between Gulfport and Biloxi were also impassable because of debris dumped on the road by the storm.
President Bush declared a major disaster across the state on Monday, making federal money available for recovery efforts.
Gulfport, known as a major terminal for banana imports, was strewn with Dole and Chiquiuta trucks. A nearby Coast Guard station was destroyed, a firefighter said.
Part of the city's sea wall was washed away, and nearly every downtown building had extensive damage to its first level.
Meanwhile, looting was reported to be a problem there and in Biloxi, officials said.
In Long Beach, west of Gulfport, Alderman Richard Notter said it could take the town years to rebuild.
"I've been from one end of the city to the other and looked down towards the beach, and it is absolutely devastated," Notter said. "There is no building standing within the first three blocks. I haven't seen one structure that's livable."
In Pascagoula, defense contractor Northrop Grumman's shipyard -- the state's largest employer with 12,000 workers -- reported serious flooding. A smaller shipyard in Gulfport is believed to have suffered even more extensive damage, company spokesman Brian Cullin said.
Sen. Lott's home destroyed
Among the thousands of homes destroyed was Mississippi Sen. Trent Lott's 154-year-old oceanfront residence in Pascagoula, according to a spokeswoman from his office. A friend had boarded it up ahead of the hurricane's arrival Monday, said spokeswoman Susan Irby.
"He's been told there's nothing left," she said. "They plan to go out to see if they can recover any valuables."
The senator's wife, Tricia, told him the news Monday night. She rode out the storm in their house in Jackson.
Lott thanked Bush for his disaster declaration for Mississippi, saying, "I urge you to come to Mississippi. Your visit would be very good for the morale of Mississippians who are hurting right now."
Survivors
As of Monday, at least 12,200 people were in shelters across the southern portion of the state, said MEMA public information officer Mick Bullock. He noted that number was expected to rise as more people are rescued from their flooded homes.
He said officials were advising residents to boil water, due to damage to water lines and treatment plants.
Biloxi resident Harriet Leckich told CNN "nothing was recognizable" when she returned to her home. (Watch the video of Leckich discovering 'everything is gone' -- 1:37)
Another Biloxi resident, Harvey Jackson, sobbed that he had "nothing" after watching his wife slip away from him. He told CNN affiliate WKRG-TV that they had clung together at the top of their home, when it split in half. He could not find her body. (Watch the video report of a husband who lost all he had -- 1:07)
Power facilities flooded
State emergency management officials said 80 percent of the state's residents had no power.
Mississippi Power, part of the Southern Company, reported 196,000 customers without power, and Entergy and the Electric Power Association said 659,000 households have no power, Bullock said
Entergy Vice President Curt Hebert Jr. told CNN's "American Morning" that not only were power lines down, but the utility's facilities were flooded.
Some 4,000 Entergy crews were preparing to head to the devastated areas, Hebert said, but he asked that utilities in other states send reinforcements.
He advised residents to be patient, because it would be some time before everything was up and running again.
The Air Force has been asked to move five search-and-rescue helicopters and their teams to Mississippi, military officials announced.
National Guard troops in Mississippi have been activated and hundreds are headed to the southern part of the state, Bullock said.
Alabama Gov. Bob Riley said he would send 800 National Guard troops to Mississippi to help with debris removal and traffic control there.
Search and rescue teams from Virginia, Maryland, as well as California and Louisiana were also on the way to Mississippi to look for victims. Many crew members have traveled overseas to aid in earthquake disasters and to Florida for previous hurricanes.
First posted by SWL
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Among the thousands of homes destroyed was Mississippi Sen. Trent Lott's 154-year-old oceanfront residence in Pascagoula, according to a spokeswoman from his office.
Now does he question global warming? :p
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God is punishing Trent Lott for his latent homosexuality.