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Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Ace on September 02, 2005, 10:59:31 pm
*grumble* Two more months of waiting... *grumble*

(http://www.ati-power.fr/UserFiles/Image/Jeux/O/oblivion/22_.jpg)
A portal to... *poum poum poum* Oblivion!

(http://www.ati-power.fr/UserFiles/Image/Jeux/O/oblivion/66_.jpg)
The port city of Anvil

(http://www.ati-power.fr/UserFiles/Image/Jeux/O/oblivion/77_.jpg)
More Anvil (and a nice noble lady too ;7 There's some Orkey brotha powah in the background too!)

(http://www.ati-power.fr/UserFiles/Image/Jeux/O/oblivion/55_.jpg)
Some temple in an alpine forest.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Deepblue on September 02, 2005, 11:05:28 pm
Too bad my PC won't run it... Or is that really a loss since Bathsheda says the X360 version is better anyway. I need to get around to upgrading my PC one of these days nonetheless.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Ace on September 02, 2005, 11:09:57 pm
The X360 version doesn't have the construction set. Until recently the general statements have been that the PC/XBOX versions are the same minus the construction set.

Anyway, on XBOX you're limited to 720p as the max resolution.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Deepblue on September 03, 2005, 12:19:44 am
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Originally posted by Ace
The X360 version doesn't have the construction set. Until recently the general statements have been that the PC/XBOX versions are the same minus the construction set.

Anyway, on XBOX you're limited to 720p as the max resolution.


No, 1080i is the other option. However, then you sacrifice framerate due to the interlaced signal.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Lt.Cannonfodder on September 03, 2005, 12:57:59 am
*Grumbles* I don't have a computer that can run it!
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Flaser on September 03, 2005, 02:18:31 am
Well, there's still Tamriel Rebuilt along with BH/BB mod to keep the 'winders occupied.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Fury on September 03, 2005, 04:22:47 am
This is the sequel to Morrowind, right? I never really got in to that game, not my cup of tea I guess. In any case, those screens look pretty good but nothing groundbreaking.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: SadisticSid on September 03, 2005, 06:10:51 am
Oblivion's been top of my wishlist for pretty much all of this year. I'm not too convinced by all the hype surrounding the game, but the most interesting thing I read about it was something on Gamespy:

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In fact, one of the interesting problems that the team has had to face came about precisely because the AI is so good. According to Howard, the AI has caused guards to decide to eat and go hunting deer, only to get themselves arrested for attacking something. When they fight back against the arresting guard, the other guards see a fight and try to join in. In not too much time, every guard in the town was involved in the scuffle, which left the rest of the town open to thievery by other NPCs, resulting in empty stores.


If the AI routines create such unscripted situations it'll certainly be groundbreaking.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: aipz on September 03, 2005, 01:50:44 pm
I've played Morrowind and I liked it - interesting world to explore, nice main plot, many sub-quests etc. - one of the best CRPG!
Howewer the irritating thing was that uou had to travel so long to deliver 20 bottles of spirits to a isolated mine somewhere in the middle of nowhere...

On the other side the subquests lacked a bit of story = deliver, kill, find  or sometimes get someone to give you something (support, item) Baldurs Gate 2, Icewind Dale 1 and 2, Fallouts or Arcanum had   better story based subquests to be honest....

Though if I had the right PC I would play Oblivion no matter what...
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: TrashMan on September 03, 2005, 03:55:57 pm
Supposedly, Oblivion will have better NPC's and more interaction with the world...

If this delivers (+the AI), the graphics won't be needed to make it groundbreaking..
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: phatosealpha on September 03, 2005, 04:48:11 pm
Well, it's pretty I suppose.  I'm gonna have to wait until reviews start coming in before I really consider it though, since the things that really ticked me off about morrowind aren't being talked about.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Ghost on September 03, 2005, 05:07:02 pm
AGHGHHG MUST HAVE. Coming out this holiday season; we should be upgraded enough for it by then...I hope. I loved Morrowind; I can't wait for this to come out.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: vyper on September 03, 2005, 05:38:02 pm
Lovely graphics. Thar be PCI-Express power in them there piccies! ;)
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Turnsky on September 05, 2005, 06:02:20 am
i want it even more now, thanks to a nice new card humming away inside my case.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: dizzy on September 05, 2005, 07:13:59 am
Hmm, besides having some very old hardware how can you people be sure if your computer will run it or not ? I mean I have not seen any requirements posted anywere. An athlon64 3000+ 939/1Gb RAM/NV6600 (PCI-E) should run it ?
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Turnsky on September 05, 2005, 07:44:47 am
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Originally posted by dizzy
Hmm, besides having some very old hardware how can you people be sure if your computer will run it or not ? I mean I have not seen any requirements posted anywere. An athlon64 3000+ 939/1Gb RAM/NV6600 (PCI-E) should run it ?


shoot for at least 1,1.5ghz, 512mb-1gb ram, decent videocard, say, radeon 9600/nvidia counterpart..
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Lt.Cannonfodder on September 05, 2005, 07:54:59 am
You know, I'm just about ready to start banging my head to the wall when I see people wondering whether or not the game will run on their 64bit processors and PCI-E cards. My old A2100+ with GeForce Ti4800 was able to run all the new games decently (ok, bf2 was the first one that didn't work) until the GPU melted. I mean, can't people play games unless all the graphic options are turned on and fps is over 60?
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: dizzy on September 05, 2005, 08:03:47 am
Hehe, Lt.Cannonfodder I understand you fully. I had an Athlon 1ghz for the last 4 years (or so), and it's just that I couldn't play anymore a lot of things (not to mention compiling programs took so long, being a developer this sucks big time) and the time was for an upgrade (I usually upgrade my computer every 3-4 years).

Sorry for the confusion, I didn't realised that I had a (as it seems) pretty good system there (I thought I have what you call now a "medium" setup). About graphics and all, I am no 1st person shooter gamer with one exception: Doom3. Since it was released and because you have native Linux version (really, I don't have Windows heh) I had to play it so when I upgraded I had to make sure Doom3 plays with all details on :)

PS: yes, Morrowind plays just fine on cedega :)
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Turnsky on September 05, 2005, 08:18:39 am
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Originally posted by dizzy
Hehe, Lt.Cannonfodder I understand you fully. I had an Athlon 1ghz for the last 4 years (or so), and it's just that I couldn't play anymore a lot of things (not to mention compiling programs took so long, being a developer this sucks big time) and the time was for an upgrade (I usually upgrade my computer every 3-4 years).

Sorry for the confusion, I didn't realised that I had a (as it seems) pretty good system there (I thought I have what you call now a "medium" setup). About graphics and all, I am no 1st person shooter gamer with one exception: Doom3. Since it was released and because you have native Linux version (really, I don't have Windows heh) I had to play it so when I upgraded I had to make sure Doom3 plays with all details on :)

PS: yes, Morrowind plays just fine on cedega :)


dude, your system should run it without breaking a sweat.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: SadisticSid on September 05, 2005, 10:53:52 am
For a game that chews up modern hardware so easily, they should really release a 64-bit version to take full advantage of the x64 technology, but it doesn't look as if it's even under consideration. :(
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 05, 2005, 12:52:24 pm
Hey...I need those two months to finish Morrowind and then accomplish my final objective of killing everyone in the game.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Fury on September 05, 2005, 01:31:55 pm
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
For a game that chews up modern hardware so easily, they should really release a 64-bit version to take full advantage of the x64 technology, but it doesn't look as if it's even under consideration. :(

It does not look like WinXP x64 will be natively adopted widely. The big push comes when WinVista hits the shelves, which unfortunately will take another year or so. I have two A64 computers which were running WinXP x64 until a few days ago, there was simply no good enough driver and software support for the OS to make it better in performance than older XP. The picture would be completely different indeed if games and most software would have native x64 support. :sigh:
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Ace on September 05, 2005, 02:55:22 pm
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
Hey...I need those two months to finish Morrowind and then accomplish my final objective of killing everyone in the game.


Yeah will unfortunately Oblivion won't let you kill quest NPCs.

"Too many people broke their games and complained despite our warning!"

:doubt:

What ticks me off is ever since Daggerfall I've wanted to do an elaborate assassination on a noble. In Morrowind it wasn't really satisfying since the NPCs didn't have schedules. Now that they do, you're not allowed to kill characters involved in quests. *grumble*
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Deepblue on September 05, 2005, 03:00:55 pm
But, but I didn't MEAN to put an arrow through that key characters eye BEFORE he told me what I need to know!
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: aipz on September 06, 2005, 04:45:33 pm
Stupid unrealistic approach... :doubt: :ick:
I understand that those characters should be hard to kill, but it's simply :mad:  that you can't touch them, even if your character is ten times more powerful...

I would prefer the option - you killed them so you altered the reality, you cannot complete this quest :sigh:

In other games like BG 2 you could kill the main character like  Shadow Thief Guild Master
even if it prevented the completion of game...
but you were killed by a ultra allmighty avenger...:lol:
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Turnsky on September 06, 2005, 08:24:04 pm
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Originally posted by aipz
Stupid unrealistic approach... :doubt: :ick:
I understand that those characters should be hard to kill, but it's simply :mad:  that you can't touch them, even if your character is ten times more powerful...

I would prefer the option - you killed them so you altered the reality, you cannot complete this quest :sigh:

In other games like BG 2 you could kill the main character like  Shadow Thief Guild Master
even if it prevented the completion of game...
but you were killed by a ultra allmighty avenger...:lol:


if i killed a quest NPC before or during a quest where he or she was important (in morrowind) i HAD to reload anyway because i had destroyed my destiny or some ****e...

this is just idiot proofing, that's all.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: aipz on September 07, 2005, 01:18:57 am
You're right but if someone runs and kills everybody he won't be able to complete a single quest no matter what... :)
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Turnsky on September 07, 2005, 01:52:44 am
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Originally posted by aipz
You're right but if someone runs and kills everybody he won't be able to complete a single quest no matter what... :)


and thus ruining the entire roleplaying experience.
if you want to go on a murderous rampage, stick with FPS's. :p
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Fineus on September 07, 2005, 03:15:42 am
Nah, if they're going to be realistic they should cater for that possibility as well. If you really really want the ability to kill NPCs before you've gotten the quests from them then you should be able to do so - and get experience for it. But don't be suprised when you run out of quests and are only able to play through half the game.
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Ace on September 07, 2005, 03:32:28 am
Ahh ye olde realism argument.

If they were aiming for realistic the game wouldn't be set on a world with two moons where people zap magic from their fingertips and are fighting an invasion from an alternate dimension ;)

Unless I'm living actually living on Tamriel and I was just having a bad dream about a life in a technological society full of idiots. (sort of like the Dwemer... maybe this is a bad dream... hrmm...)
Title: *Grumbles* I want Oblivion now!
Post by: Fineus on September 07, 2005, 03:38:49 am
Heh, yeah that is true. But lets face it - you can kill things on this world. Jacob Truffelbutt the baker is not protected by the gods / good luck / bread / some magical device. When you cast that lightning bolt - he should die.

And if you didn't mean to do it - then you deserve to not be able to complete the quest for being such a moron ;)

Better yet, they could have two gameplay modes. Quest and Rampage. Quest is the standard storyline where vital NPCs are protected from harm. Rampage is an anything-goes setup where the quests still exist, but only if you can avoid killing poor old Jacob the baker.