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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: brinlong on September 03, 2005, 08:02:17 pm
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I know this isn't in anyway related to Freespace, but I'm spreading the word about this disgusting violation of civil rights. There are several links to videos of the attack, and it was an attack, but this is by far the best:
http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2005/08/heavily_armed_t.shtml#010655
This video isn't pretty. Its a group of cops armed with machine guns threating unarmed American citizens and beating those who did not comply with there orders fast enough, even the guy with the camera. They're also shrieking at everyone to "put the cameras away" I guess they were just shy :mad: Because after all, they're only looking out for our best interests by "preemtively" striking what was obviously a terrorist group in the making.
They're already trying to spin this as a legitimate drug bust. Watch the video. If that was legitimate, I'm very afraid for my country.
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HLP Main material I suggest. :)
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Been there, done that, wrong forum. :p
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Looks justified to me. Any "rave" party or any kind of a fantastic gathering such as that should be cracked down with machine guns and armored vehicles.
It's probably the main source for drugs or god knows what other crap as well.
And yeah, this goes into main.
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and this is in the general freespace forum because?
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My guess is, brinlong has never ventured into Hard Light.
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Moved.
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I live in Utah (but I didn't go to the party) and on the news they showed pictures of all of the drugs and stuff that were confiscated. There was a hella lot of drugs, like 10 or 20 tables full of drugs, meth, cocaine, marijuana, etc. I don't they they should threaten them with machine guns and stuff, but I would say it is a good drug bust.
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This news is a few weeks old, but yeah...it's a sad state of affairs.
adwight: you could walk into any major American city and find that much drugs if you really searched everything thouroughly. Remember that illegal does not always equal wrong, and vice versa. As far as I can tell, they were just having a rave and not distubing anyone else.
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Originally posted by BlackDove
Looks justified to me. Any "rave" party or any kind of a fantastic gathering such as that should be cracked down with machine guns and armored vehicles.
It's probably the main source for drugs or god knows what other crap as well.
Yeah how dare people have fun and attend meetings where someone might be using drugs. ****ing raveheads. That's absolutely outrageous and EVERYONE is always using drugs in raves, and they sell them by pounds!
Raiding the party and catching the drug dealers? Ok good. Using scare tactics? Uhh ok, well go ahead. Randomly catching (not even properly arresting) random blokes who happened to be in an event where someone used drugs? Nono.
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They may have over did things a little but it was a drug bust and It doesn't matter if they were bothering anyone else, it's still a federal offense and in my opinion, wrong.
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Well, regardless of opinion, be it left, right or centre, drugs will be taken, have been for millenium, probably will be for milleniums yet to come, be they pharmacutical or recreational. Oddly enough, both have found benefits in the other (Ecstasy is excellent for helping patients with Autism for example).
I've not got Quicktime installed at the moment, so I can't watch the video, but from the sounds of things, it sounds like an extreme way to raid a party. That said, it is not uncommon for said dealers to be armed, and possibly dousing the location in Tear Gas or whatever was felt to be the most thorough way of ensuring that people actually stayed alive, without being there, I couldn't say.
Dogs are not uncommon at drug hauls, and they tend to be trained to attack people who they can smell drugs on, that said, marijuana smoke sticks to everyone, so everyone could be a target, care needs to be taken when using dogs as a weapon rather than a search device.
That said, Recreational drugs are vastly over demonised, you only have to have a really good read of an aspirin bottle to see that the death rate for side-effects to things like Ecstasy and Marijuana is actually pretty good when compared to a lot of medical drugs. Remember, for every possible side-effect listed in your medication, there must have been a fair number of people who have actually had that condition and it's been directly linked to that medicine.
I think a lot of this was 'Oooooh look at the big bad drug dealers, they fund Terrorists'. This always make me laugh, btw, since the two sets of people that are least likely to be friends are the Drug Barons, who thrive on the pleasure industry, and radical Fundamentalists, who believe it is one of the ultimate sins.
Anyway, armoured cars and machine guns sounds more like a raid on a Heroin factory than a house party.
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If that was legitimate, I'm very afraid for my country.
Makes me so glad I left when I did.......
This isn't the same America I grew up in.
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Originally posted by Flipside
I think a lot of this was 'Oooooh look at the big bad drug dealers, they fund Terrorists'. This always make me laugh, btw, since the two sets of people that are least likely to be friends are the Drug Barons, who thrive on the pleasure industry, and radical Fundamentalists, who believe it is one of the ultimate sins.
Though, to be fair, I wouldn;t be surprised if at least a part of the Afghani Opium profits made there way to extremists, though it's likely far from their principal source of income.
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Oddly enough though the Taliban burned down opium fields. When the US ousted them, the drug production came back in force. (and nothing is being done about it despite the "war on drugs")
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Originally posted by Flipside
Well, regardless of opinion, be it left, right or centre, drugs will be taken, have been for millenium, probably will be for milleniums yet to come, be they pharmacutical or recreational. Oddly enough, both have found benefits in the other (Ecstasy is excellent for helping patients with Autism for example).
I've not got Quicktime installed at the moment, so I can't watch the video, but from the sounds of things, it sounds like an extreme way to raid a party. That said, it is not uncommon for said dealers to be armed, and possibly dousing the location in Tear Gas or whatever was felt to be the most thorough way of ensuring that people actually stayed alive, without being there, I couldn't say.
Dogs are not uncommon at drug hauls, and they tend to be trained to attack people who they can smell drugs on, that said, marijuana smoke sticks to everyone, so everyone could be a target, care needs to be taken when using dogs as a weapon rather than a search device.
That said, Recreational drugs are vastly over demonised, you only have to have a really good read of an aspirin bottle to see that the death rate for side-effects to things like Ecstasy and Marijuana is actually pretty good when compared to a lot of medical drugs. Remember, for every possible side-effect listed in your medication, there must have been a fair number of people who have actually had that condition and it's been directly linked to that medicine.
I think a lot of this was 'Oooooh look at the big bad drug dealers, they fund Terrorists'. This always make me laugh, btw, since the two sets of people that are least likely to be friends are the Drug Barons, who thrive on the pleasure industry, and radical Fundamentalists, who believe it is one of the ultimate sins.
Anyway, armoured cars and machine guns sounds more like a raid on a Heroin factory than a house party.
I believe the primary reason for the ban of recreational drugs is due to the fact that they get very addictive, very fast. Although fewer people die from them, the consumption of such drugs by an individual increasingly demolishes his or her relationships with the people around him or her, and drags them down as well as the addict searches for more fuel to keep the addiction going on. Worse is when the addict 'spreads' the addiction to those who are more vulnerable inside of his or her social circle, in which case it acts much like a disease; slowly incapacitating small sections of the population till in the end they are unable to work productively at all and then bomb out, taking with them a significant number of people....recreational drugs bring pleasure in the short run for an individual, but in the long run will bring nothing but pain to the group that is attached to him or her.
At least....that's what I believe. Correct me if im wrong though...
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You know, I don't know which is more suprising. The behavior of these agents, or the fact that they now have drugs and raves in Utah.
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Originally posted by Singh
I believe the primary reason for the ban of recreational drugs is due to the fact that they get very addictive, very fast. Although fewer people die from them, the consumption of such drugs by an individual increasingly demolishes his or her relationships with the people around him or her, and drags them down as well as the addict searches for more fuel to keep the addiction going on. Worse is when the addict 'spreads' the addiction to those who are more vulnerable inside of his or her social circle, in which case it acts much like a disease; slowly incapacitating small sections of the population till in the end they are unable to work productively at all and then bomb out, taking with them a significant number of people....recreational drugs bring pleasure in the short run for an individual, but in the long run will bring nothing but pain to the group that is attached to him or her.
At least....that's what I believe. Correct me if im wrong though...
Yeah but alcohol can do that too. Certainly more easily than something like cannabis.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Yeah but alcohol can do that too. Certainly more easily than something like cannabis.
Yes, but the sale of Alcohol is profitable for the economy of nearly every country that sells it, and it has been for a very long time. That, and companies that sell it are run by very rich men/women, so nobody will every even think of bringing in prohibition...it's the same deal with Cigarettes and such, it doesn't matter how damaging it is to humanity, everything revolves around money...
...My question is, why the hell did a Rave of moderate size require a squad of men dressed in flak jackets, camo gear, and toting MP5's and other such weaponry?! Call me old fashioned, but I always thought standard police officers armed with little more than a stern look would be enough to get results...well, in Australia anyway...
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That's pretty much the point I was making Mefustae. I just couldn't be bothered to type it all out as I figured that everyone could infer it :)
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Hah! I don't know the meaning of infer!... No, seriously... what does it mean?! :p (And yes, i'm kidding...:nervous: )
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(Ecstasy is excellent for helping patients with Autism for example).
I think you're thinking of meth
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Yeah I don't think ecstasy helps anyone with anything except for people who have holes-in-the-brain fetishes.
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
Though, to be fair, I wouldn;t be surprised if at least a part of the Afghani Opium profits made there way to extremists, though it's likely far from their principal source of income.
Maybe they make porn films (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4190570.stm)?
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Drug raid! Why to go! glad to know something still works as it should in the good 'ol US of A...