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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: WMCoolmon on September 05, 2005, 03:57:05 am
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Which should be in the mediaVPs? (Explosion thread for more screenies + info + downloads (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,34618.0.html))
Red:
(http://server2.uploadit.org/files/Ulala321-screen0012.jpg)
Blue:
(http://server2.uploadit.org/files/Ulala32123-screen0058.jpg)
Compromise:
Or I can compromise, and use the red shockwave for low-end systems (mv_effects), and the blue shockwave for high-end ones (mv_adveffects) (there is no low-end version for the blue one, so I'd have to use the old one or something).
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The Blue one not only rocks, but it's more in tune with the roots of FS Shockwaves...
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Blue :nod:
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Red
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Originally posted by Mefustae
The Blue one not only rocks, but it's more in tune with the roots of FS Shockwaves...
:yes:
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When i saw this thread I thought something along the lines of RedvsBlue based in Fs2 :p
But still....how about an option for both? The red shockwave is perfect for Shivan vessels, not to mention does not have the slight amount of pixellation in the brightest regions as the blue (probably the image quality though) and simply looks cooler. However, having the blue for GTVA vessels (maybe a gold for Vasudans?) would make the entire deal simply sw33t!
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Compromise. Make the very lowest setting stuff available by default, but maintain the ability to upgrade to higher quality stuff through adveffects.
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
Compromise. Make the very lowest setting stuff available by default, but maintain the ability to upgrade to higher quality stuff through adveffects.
That goes without saying. The question is which colour to do that in :)
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
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(there is no low-end version for the blue one, so I'd have to use the old one or something).
Working on it... Just had to work on some mod stuff before this.
You should also use Psychonaut's torpedo shockwave, if you use the red shockwave.
I prefer the red shockwave. This is what I had in mind when I designed the effect. It enhances the explosions too, because of the similar colors. They fade into each other.
Like this:
(http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2470/screen37989hv.jpg)
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I prefer the red one too. The blue shockwave contrasts far too much with the actual explosion in my opinion.
Perhaps if the shockwaves were blended into something utilizing both colors (red front trailing blue. Sorta like with a gasflame)...
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Originally posted by Singh
But still....how about an option for both? The red shockwave is perfect for Shivan vessels, not to mention does not have the slight amount of pixellation in the brightest regions as the blue (probably the image quality though) and simply looks cooler. However, having the blue for GTVA vessels (maybe a gold for Vasudans?) would make the entire deal simply sw33t!
That would a really sweet addition, and while the colourcoding is already pretty distinct, it'd be great to see different coloured shockwaves for each race...except, the guise i'm under, is that a different Core Reactor type would ellicit a different colour shockwave and explosion; Red for Shivan craft, and Blue for GTVA Vessels (they'd all be pretty much using the same reactors - Vasudan - as the TechDatabase states numerous times of the Vasudans holding better reactor technology)...i'm just wondering if it would be possible to alter the colour of the explosion (tieing into DaBrains' point of the explosion merging into the shockwave) to match a given Shockwave colour, and then match them to different ships...?
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The red one.
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This isn't a question.
Blue is cannon. It has been blue in FS1, it has been a modified blue in FS2.
Red is optional at best.
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Green!
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Purple!
Sorry channelling the ghost of Babylon 5 for a moment there. :D
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I like those shochwaves, but in between them, could it be easy to make one for each of the race.............like for an example, blue for terran, green or golden for vas, red or purple for shivans..........just a suggestion.......
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Yehh....that would be logical because each race uses different cores in their reactor which powers their ship. Excellent idea!
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Red, so far it looks better (blends in better with the rest of the effects).
Retain, the blue for antimatter bombs (though the later should be more OOMMPHHH! white atomic flash of destruction than mere shockwaves).
(IMHO the best would be a violet-blue shockwave that fades into the orange and red end of the spectrum).
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Okay, the first one isn't red by any stretch of the imagination; it's so obviously orange. :p Anyway, I think orange looks better but blue is after all the official FS2 color. I would vote for a compromise, either with different colors for the bombs and ship explosions or different colors for different species' ships (although in this case, this orange one should probably be made more yellowish for Vasudans and an additional red one added in for Shivans; either that or have blue for all GTVA ships).
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They'd color them differently in FS2 if it was meant to be a different color.
I'm going to assume that any type of propellant they might be using for the bombs/ships/whatver is blue, remniscent of the fact that FreeSpace (SubSpace) is blue.
It's Blue.
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Yes, but it's more of a sky blue.
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The colors have been different from FS1 to FS2. I think there is leeway as far as shades go.
Whatever kind of blue it is, it most certainly isn't red or orange.
And this isn't really an issue of "what people want". Logic and reason dictate blue.
That's really all there is to it.
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Okay, first: Damm!:yes2::D:yes:
Second: I voted 'Blue' but Facty has a valid point. Howabout having the blue leading edge which fades though purple into the reds...
But of just these two, I have to say Blue.
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I voted for compromise, but not in the way that you suggested. Here's my thought on this: how feasible would it be to have two separate VPs just for the shockwaves, one for red and one for blue? That way, everyone could download the color of their choice without eliminating any of the options. I know that I myself would have a hell of a time deciding which one to use. :p
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Blue is just so goddamn cool.
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I think some people may have chosen the blue one, because the second screenshot looks better. ;)
They do indeed look all the same except for the color.
@WMCoolmon
Apart from the color, which versions are you going to use for the MV effects and the MV advanced effects packages?
I think the super-high-end one maybe a bit too much, even for the advanced effects pack.
Maybe you should think about another package. Some thing like a HD pack.
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Originally posted by BlackDove
This isn't a question. Blue is cannon.
Agreed
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Originally posted by Mongoose
I voted for compromise, but not in the way that you suggested. Here's my thought on this: how feasible would it be to have two separate VPs just for the shockwaves, one for red and one for blue? That way, everyone could download the color of their choice without eliminating any of the options. I know that I myself would have a hell of a time deciding which one to use. :p
There's nothing stopping you simply downloading one of the other version and either compiling a VP of your own or simply sticking the files in a folder where it has higher priority than the one in the media VP file.
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Originally posted by karajorma
There's nothing stopping you simply downloading one of the other version and either compiling a VP of your own or simply sticking the files in a folder where it has higher priority than the one in the media VP file.
True...except that I don't know how to compile a VP, and I'm too lazy to be bothered with throwing a bunch of random files in different data folders. :p
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I'll be uploading a new version of the FAQ soon. It will contain details on how to make VP files using Kazan's VP Constructor Suite. It's pretty easy really but if you're too lazy to do it you can't blame anyone else for being too lazy either :D
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Hey i though of another idea or suggestion, as for shockwaves, why not use both red and blue together, like on the 6th startrek movie at the beginning when the moon went boom, two different shockwaves..........
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Out of curiosity, is it possible to make te actual explosion (not the shockwave) race specific, then you could have a different colour for each race, then you could get the nice blending but with out it looking a bit whack with the same stock explosion for all of them ... just a thought.
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Just to answer you guys who want both shockwaves:
This shockwave is actually the most complex effect in my FS2 folder. It needs a lot of memory. There is no other effect using this much memory.
I think this is fine, cause the effect is important, but having two of those requires a lot of gfx ram. 512 MB cards should be fine for this... If you have a 256 MB card, and want to use two of them, you'll have to use lower quality effects already.
Using two of them is not a very good idea.
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Hmm, it's hard to choose between this 2.
They are all impressive. But for Big ship Explosion I prefer the Red one.
But for Bomb Explo like Cyclops, I prefer the Old blue (See the Psychonaut's Torpedo).
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I've always loved the blue shockwaves. Blue for me!
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Originally posted by DaBrain
I think some people may have chosen the blue one, because the second screenshot looks better. ;)
They do indeed look all the same except for the color.
@WMCoolmon
Apart from the color, which versions are you going to use for the MV effects and the MV advanced effects packages?
I think the super-high-end one maybe a bit too much, even for the advanced effects pack.
Maybe you should think about another package. Some thing like a HD pack.
I was thinking low or medium for the normal effects pack, and the super-high-end one for adveffects.
Although if it really does need 512 MB I may go down a notch.
Re: building a VP, http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/fsdoc/index.php?pagename=UsingVPMage
Or for this specifically:
1) Extract the RAR somewhere
2) Open VPMage
3) Click "Dir.." at the top and select the 'data' folder from the rar. Click OK.Then click "Add Source".
4) Where it says "Output", click "File..." and choose a name/location for the new VP. Click "OK"
5) Click "Build VP". It'll think for a bit, then tell you that the VP is done.
6) Move the new VP to your FS2 dir (if necessary)
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Originally posted by Singh
How about an option for both? The red shockwave is perfect for Shivan vessels, not to mention does not have the slight amount of pixellation in the brightest regions as the blue (probably the image quality though) and simply looks cooler. However, having the blue for GTVA vessels (maybe a gold for Vasudans?) would make the entire deal simply sw33t!
I like his Idea :cool:
Code it with the engine color.
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Although if it really does need 512 MB I may go down a notch.
256MB will be enough for one of them, but two of them plus the torp shockwave, maybe a bit too much for 256MB cards, especially if you wan to use Antialiasing.
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I'm new to the SCP so i don't really now, but won't it be possible to add a new command to the next version of the launcher to let you choose your prefered color? If that would be the case, both colors would have to be included, of cours.
I hope to see the blue one in action soon. I just finished the original campaign with the red one and it just awesome.
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Canon. Blue. Canon. :nod:
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Both very cool looking, but with canon you can. :D
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Originally posted by DaBrain
256MB will be enough for one of them, but two of them plus the torp shockwave, maybe a bit too much for 256MB cards, especially if you wan to use Antialiasing.
So basically a 64 MB X300 will have no chance with the super-hi-res version? Crap; if it's included in adveffects, looks like I'll have to do a little editing. :p
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Blue. It looks cooler, and it's closer to canon anyway.
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blue. for humans. red for shivans.
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I'm not going to do multiple shockwaves at this time. It'd be nice to show off the feature, but there's too much risk of it interfering with other mods and such by taking up a bunch of image slots.
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Not to mention the races are already color-coded enough as it is. If I want to see a firework display I'll go to Disneyland, not Freespace.
And I vote for the blue. I've played the game with both the fire and blue colors and I like the blue better because it contrasts nicely with the explosions, and I always imagined the shockwaves to be energy released from the fusion drives, anyway.
And which versions are you going to be using for which VP's? The low end for mv_effects and the high for adveffects? The mid-range for effects and the super-high for adveffects?
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Christ. FS2stock doesn't have to be treated like the Bible, complete with religious devotion.
Red. It looks better, it makes more sense, and that damn blue is too bloody garish.
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Either one's okay to me. But as I can't get it to work, I'll wait for a VP because I'm probably installing them wrong...
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Use red for ship explosions and blue for bombs.
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Use red for ship explosions and blue for bombs.
Yes, this one also makes sense gameplay-wize because the blue ones will be doing 1% damage to sheilds, while the red you have to watch out for...
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
I'm not going to do multiple shockwaves at this time. It'd be nice to show off the feature, but there's too much risk of it interfering with other mods and such by taking up a bunch of image slots.
I don't know how many times this needs to be said. You can't have multiple shockwaves without incurring massive penalties on the number of graphics used in a given mission, introducing a degredation in performance and potentially causing things to not render properly. The 3d shockwaves are slightly less bad than the long 2d ones, but only marginally so.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Christ. FS2stock doesn't have to be treated like the Bible, complete with religious devotion.
Funny hearing that from basically any non-n00b around here. ;) :p
Both waves are cool, so let's compromise and make them... PURPLE! :nervous:
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Pshht, pansy.
Let's make them ultraviolet. :p
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How about implement an SCP feature to allow players to set individual RGB settings through the Launcher for specific DDS and PCX files so that we can override whatever color it is ourselves and stop fighting? ;)
(Materials system anyone?!)
I wish. :P *sigh* *clicks Blue*
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Red looks so good...