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Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 12, 2005, 01:02:23 pm: Best.

Movie.

Ever.

Well. Damn good at the very least.

"I pity you who understands nothing. There is nothing that isn't important"

Heh.

Aside from the fantastic message the movie provides, I also liked all of the nuances they tied with the game, such as the use of Materia and Overdrives.

The CG was awesome though, this is the first time I saw speed emulated with such detail you were able to follow it even though it was really fast.

All in all, a really great sequel to the game, and a fantastic ending to Cloud's story. The story does leave much to be desired for however, which I hope will be presented in a PS3 game, with new characters. Though that's wishful thinking.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Jeryko on September 12, 2005, 01:15:11 pm: I am just about to watch it myself. I go into it looking forward to it.

Found it.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 12, 2005, 01:25:55 pm: Yeah. Search more.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Zuljin on September 12, 2005, 01:28:54 pm: I still need to wait about 10-12 hours until I can watch it.
Really looking forward to this :)
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 12, 2005, 01:30:24 pm: Himuro Kyouske - Calling

Look for that to keep you over while you wait. Theme song is rather awesome.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Omniscaper on September 12, 2005, 01:30:31 pm: I want to KICK the dude who decided that VBR mp3 format would be the format of choice to present this fine piece of nostalgia tickling CG cinema.

BLARG

And the only english subtitled translation available seems a bit... awkward.

::counts blessings::

Those annoyances aside... THE FREAKING BEST CG MOVIE EVER!
Why oh WHY did Squarefilms WASTE money on that abomination called FF:Spirits within.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 12, 2005, 01:31:20 pm: I gather Spirits were the testing phase for future projects. Like this.

Imagine if this was done in the way sprits were done?

-_-
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Jeryko on September 12, 2005, 01:37:23 pm: Quote
Originally posted by BlackDove
Yeah. Search more.

Yea, thats the kind of smartass response ive come to expect from this community.

Thanks, but I found it anyway.

Sorry, for any derailment. Back on topic...
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 12, 2005, 01:55:32 pm: I'm not going to put links here for you or definitive destination names. Are you insane?

My hint was enough for a smart person.

Anyway, I think the topic was how much Advent Children rules.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: MicroPsycho on September 12, 2005, 03:02:21 pm: so is this movie in theatres or something?
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 12, 2005, 03:10:15 pm: The movie was released in Japan on the 8th of September, DVD on 14th.

As far as an American release goes, it was supposed to happen two days after the Japanese one, but they delayed it with a statement "It will be released this holiday season".
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Col. Fishguts on September 12, 2005, 04:18:44 pm: Is this movie any good for somebody who never played a FF game ?
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: IceFire on September 12, 2005, 04:48:44 pm: LOOKS fantastic by the trailers!! WOW! I want to see this!
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 12, 2005, 04:52:08 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Col. Fishguts
Is this movie any good for somebody who never played a FF game ?

Well, to anyone who didn't play FFVII (other FF games don't count) it would just be some good mindless CG action that looks rather ridiculous.

One of the reasons this kicks so much ass is because it caters to people who have been able to comprehend the entire Final Fantasy 7 storyline, and to them alone. The company has to have good money, good information on its fans, and a very big set of balls to spend money on something as limited as this. If you didn't play it, I don't think it'll be THAT good to you, and you might actually consider it crappy.

If you've spent hours in the damn Mythril Mines leveling everyone's limit breaks, then you'll salivate just over Cloud's use of Blade Beam.

The game was for PSX, some would argue the best game for that console, and it's essentially good 30-40 hours of storyline (if you're not rushing it that is). Some of it being complex storyline, as in, not that obvious. It's really a important bit of gaming history, so it's advisable to play it for that reason alone.

Once you figure all that out, then you're qualified to judge this movie reallly.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Omniscaper on September 12, 2005, 04:54:22 pm: Oh GOD, the Mythril mines.....
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Col. Fishguts on September 12, 2005, 04:58:36 pm: Quote
Originally posted by BlackDove
Once you figure all that out, then you're qualified to judge this movie reallly.

Oh-kay ....now I just have to get as PS, the game and the time to actually play it. I'll come back to this in a year or so ;)
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Omniscaper on September 12, 2005, 05:01:10 pm: They make FF7 for the PC, it just farts on XP without various patches.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 12, 2005, 05:04:19 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Col. Fishguts

Oh-kay ....now I just have to get as PS, the game and the time to actually play it. I'll come back to this in a year or so ;)

Hehe.

Well, as much as I'm naturally and logically against this type of stuff:

(http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040324l.jpg)

It holds true here. I mean, the movie is largely dependant on the Game first and foremost. It just doesn't make sense without the game.

Though seriously, if you haven't played the game, do so. It's a really good game if you're able to fully comprehend it.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: MicroPsycho on September 12, 2005, 05:52:48 pm: FF7 was the first FF I played, I thought it was amazing with an unparalleled story. After that I tried FF8, it was ****, and the others look ****, but FF7 was good and everyone must play it!
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: IceFire on September 12, 2005, 07:04:55 pm: Yeah I'd like to give FF7 a shot sometime...

I suspect I'll like this even if I haven't played the game. I generally like anime and anime influenced movies. I like having to work to figure out the world and the rules that govern that world and all the little sub plots and subtle changes. I LIKE stories that make me think...if this does that...then I'll like it.

Spirits Within even did that...it was a very well done movie. Not perfect but very good. I enjoyed the complexity of the plot...some may not have even noticed the complexity or shrugged their shoulders at it. Many of my friends did...
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 12, 2005, 07:08:52 pm: I saw the complexity in Spirits Within, and I usually watch it when they play it on TV, but the reason I think many don't see Spirits Within as a good movie, is because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the way Final Fantasy worlds are governed. It was just a movie, movie like any other, with a rather simple theme.

Also, if you like to figure out stuff, boy you'll have a field day with this. So many things aren't explained for you in this one, I doubt you'll be able to get them. For example Materia, the importance of specific moves, anything about Jenova and its history, who the hell Aeris is, etc.

Too many things to count.

Game>Movie is my suggestion.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: pyro-manic on September 12, 2005, 07:37:42 pm: Hum. I'm actually playing FF7 for the first time at the moment. I'll have to check this out when I'm finished...
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Martinus on September 12, 2005, 07:47:06 pm: Quote
Originally posted by pyro-manic
Hum. I'm actually playing FF7 for the first time at the moment. I'll have to check this out when I'm finished...

[color=66ff00]Yeah, I was about to start myself.

It's not so stable on 2K/XP though, I might get an emulator for my Xbox and see how well that runs.
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Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Bobboau on September 12, 2005, 07:48:31 pm: so you mean, they don't like have unnaturaly detailed conversations about a charicter that has just been mentioned of whom they all have vast knowledge about but decide to have a five minute talk about who they are and why they are important anyway.

oh my god! I have wanted a show/movie to do this for sence ever!

and it's about a game I never played... :doubt:
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 12, 2005, 08:20:33 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Maeglamor

[color=66ff00]Yeah, I was about to start myself.

It's not so stable on 2K/XP though, I might get an emulator for my Xbox and see how well that runs.
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Seek out the PC version and thou shalt find thine answer (http://warpstorm.com/community/Smileys/warpstorm/sid.gif)

On a side note, we need more smilies. WS has a far better assortment.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 12, 2005, 08:54:03 pm: PC version needs a bunch of patches though. Look for patches, so it works under 2kXP without the insane hiccups.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 12, 2005, 08:55:18 pm: Mine works fine. I've heard the Chocobos may have some problems, though, but I'll approach that when I get there. I'm busy being distracted by Tactics at the moment.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 12, 2005, 09:13:05 pm: For some reason I'm incredibly tempted to type "OMG AERIS DIES LOL" in this thread.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: pyro-manic on September 12, 2005, 10:13:20 pm: If you can, get the "ultima edition" - it's got a load of patches and maps etc. bundled with it, so you don't need to hunt them down separately. It's the one I have, and it's about a gig in size. Mine seems to be running fine on XP without any patches, though the Chocobo race in the Gold Saucer seemed to run at double speed. Still manageble, though, so no real problems with it.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 12, 2005, 10:30:00 pm: I have it sitting on a DVD. I'll reinstall it after I get done with Tactics.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 12, 2005, 11:01:37 pm: Whatever you do, if you're playing it for the first time, or re-playing it, pay attention to anything regarding Jenova and Cetra.

Following a walkthrough wouldn't be bad also.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 12, 2005, 11:20:38 pm: I used a strategy guide while going through the first time, so I caught all the Jenova references.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Fury on September 13, 2005, 11:30:46 am: Very good movie this was, just watched it. Unfortunately since I have not played any of the FF games, I did not catch half the references in the movie.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 13, 2005, 12:03:16 pm: Then go find FF7, either a CD, an emulator, or the Ultima Edition.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Flipside on September 13, 2005, 12:05:39 pm: Why do I keep reading the thread title as 'Advent Chicken'??
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 13, 2005, 12:07:30 pm: Because you're insane.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Flipside on September 13, 2005, 12:15:32 pm: That's it, thanks, I forgot :D
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Fineus on September 13, 2005, 03:03:49 pm: While I never played the FF games, I just saw this and I must say I was blown away by the sheer level of detail to the entire thing. Graphics and sound were top notch, and the tension during the fights was quite fantastic. My particular favourite being when the entire "team" shows up to help fight the Bahamut?. The level of action and the way everything carries on is superb.

A winner, even for one who doesn't know much/anything about the FF series prior to this.

Edit/Update: Glad I got that right, BD :)
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 13, 2005, 03:15:37 pm: Yeah, it's Bahamut.

Well, it's Bahamut SIN to be exact.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 13, 2005, 03:31:16 pm: Bahamut SIN? I was honestly thinking a new Weapon, as its appearance doesn't even remotely match Bahamut, Neo Bahamut, or Bahamut ZERO.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 13, 2005, 06:35:05 pm: SIN Bahamut wasn't in the game, but it's definatly it according to official sources. The Neo and ZERO were two of three incarnations in the game, which is why I think they went with SIN, since it'd be kind of... thoughtless to favor one over another regarding the game, because after all, the player might not have gotten regular, Neo and ZERO, and therefore Cloud wouldn't have it in AC. Remember, you had to pick the summon materias up yourself, and if you didn't, there was never going back. Not to mention ZERO itself is a culmination of having the previous two.

As far as WEAPON goes, well, WEAPON's are the guardians of the Earth. You don't really summon them.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 13, 2005, 06:41:00 pm: I was thinking perhaps Kadaj provoked it somehow. Also, the fact that Jenova would be a target for a Weapon.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Ghost on September 13, 2005, 07:08:57 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Grey Wolf
For some reason I'm incredibly tempted to type "OMG AERIS DIES LOL" in this thread.

Oops.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on September 13, 2005, 07:55:16 pm: Must...watch...

Why...must it...take...so very...long...TO BE RELEASED OVER HERE?!

Anyone that hasn't played FF7 before watching a FF7 sequel is a heretic and must be purged, slowly and painfully...

No...wait, scratch that. Anyone who just hasn't PLAYED FF7 must be purged.

Well, once they've finished up work on the FS mods, anyhow.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 13, 2005, 10:16:15 pm: I was also thinking, why "Bahamut SIN". I gather it'd have something to do with the notion Vincent and Cloud brought up, about werther or not sin can be forgiven. I'd assume that when he gave himself the will to defeat Bahamut, he also found a way for his sin to be forgiven, ie, defeating evil, or at least trying to. The support he recieved from others pushing him upwards, would be a sign that he has been forgiven by them or... something to that effect. Or maybe a practical sign that they're also supporting him to be forgiven.

Meh, just thoughts anyway.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 13, 2005, 10:36:44 pm: Also, something else has been made available.

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Last Order: Final Fantasy VII is the latest addition to the
Compilation of Final Fantasy VII. It is an original animated
video that was released with the "Ultimate Edition" of
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children.
It contains past events prior to the game Final Fantasy VII and
revolves around the event that took place in Nibelheim,
involving Zack, Cloud, Tifa and Sephiroth.

I'm not sure where, but I'm sure everyone knows how to search.

My thoughts though

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[05:39] I think it is an insult not to buy this though.
[05:39] And a crime.
[05:39] Against awesomness.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Fineus on September 14, 2005, 03:35:08 am: Seconded. While I enjoyed FF:TSW - this totally blows it away in terms of... everything.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Martinus on September 14, 2005, 06:50:56 am: [color=66ff00]Just out of interest what are the copies like? Good quality? Fansubs?
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Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Fineus on September 14, 2005, 07:00:36 am: Copies of the film?

Excellent quality, DVD like even. And with a separate English suptitle set provided that seems fine.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 14, 2005, 08:52:15 am: Quote
Originally posted by BlackDove
I saw the complexity in Spirits Within, and I usually watch it when they play it on TV, but the reason I think many don't see Spirits Within as a good movie, is because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the way Final Fantasy worlds are governed. It was just a movie, movie like any other, with a rather simple theme.

Of course, how much do the games have to do with each other? Not much...
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Fury on September 14, 2005, 11:01:55 am: Quote
Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Just out of interest what are the copies like? Good quality? Fansubs?
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I watched AnimeSource version of the movie, quality was excellent and subs were also good as far as I can tell.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: BlackDove on September 14, 2005, 12:08:57 pm: It's a Japanese DVD rip.

What'd you think it was? :p

Last Order was done in pure anime. It's about 30min long.

It was spectacular really.

Also, mandatory references to the conversations of our time.

(http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2005/20050914l.jpg)
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Martinus on September 14, 2005, 12:11:46 pm: Quote
Originally posted by BlackDove
It's a Japanese DVD rip.

What'd you think it was? :p

Last Order was done in pure anime. It's about 30min long.

It was spectacular really.

[color=66ff00]I assumed it was taken from a cinema release and was either a telecine or a poorer quality cam.

Didn't know it had gone straight to DVD.
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Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Depth_Charge on September 14, 2005, 04:13:17 pm: Hey i'm a "HUGE" Final Fantasy Fan, i've play 2 and 3 on super nes, (i'm not sure what number it is on playstation....lol...ahem) 7, 8 sucks, 9 was great, 10 and 10-2 very impressive, havn't tried 11, and 12 is suppost to be out some time soon............but anyways i'm looking forward to see this movie. on the trailers really great animation.................
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Post by: Ghost on September 14, 2005, 04:47:22 pm: Wow. That movie kicked incredible amounts of ass.

Spoiler:
I creamed my pants when Kadaj transformed.
Title: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
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