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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: BlackDove on September 18, 2005, 07:01:52 pm
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CBA to look for that other thread... anyway:
http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/movie/tgs2005_mgs4.asx
Trailer's out if you haven't noticed. It's getting raped constantly because it's fresh, so you may not be able to connect, but if you keep pushing it, you'll get through.
Didn't really think I'd get to see rendered animations in real time.
This is going to be pure awesome yet again.
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Ah yes, I was going to post about this but I forgot. The graphics were amazing in the intro and I really liked the little fake-out in the beginning, but I just CAN'T STAND the moustache. It makes Snake look like a dirty cop or a child molestor or something. Hopefully you can shave it off or grow a beard around it. :p
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:yes:
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Here's a very fast Torrent for the video.
http://www.filerush.com/download.php?target=tgs2005_mgs4_lkef93dnks2s.asf
edit: Needless to say, the trailed is superb. Though I do wonder if a 60 year old man in peak condition is stretching credulity a bit.
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Not really, since Big Boss was very much in his gray days when he was still doing his Outer Heaven bit.
Must be the whole "soldier gene" thing.
That, and well..... drugs.
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That coughing fit doesn't seem like 'peak condition' to me. Is it the cigs catching up or maybe FOX-DIE? Naomi Hunter is confirmed as being in the game so if she's involved I'm sure FOX-DIE will be addressed.
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FOX-DIE, the fact he's a clone and unstable... the cigs... culmination of it all?
Probably FOX-DIE really.
Also, in the preview promo at E, we saw a "lead character" fight, which Snake wins.
However, that doesn't exclude the fact that we might see Raiden again.
(not really related to the train of thought, but something I was thinking about :p)
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I should mention that I have actually played any of the previous MGS games, aside from a few minutes/hours with each. But I'm looking to correct that, if I can find MGS2: Substance for sale anywhere close by.
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And people get angry at me for posting these types of threads...
Anyway it looks okay. The character models look gorgeous but the environmental textures looked very bad comparitively.
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Originally posted by Deepblue
And people get angry at me for posting these types of threads...
Anyway it looks okay. The character models look gorgeous but the environmental textures looked very bad comparitively.
That's because you do it almost every other day. And then when posting in threads for other consoles - like the Revolution and PS3 - jump into criticising them as much as possible (lest they receive a more favourable opinion than your beloved xbox).
As we can see in the above quote, and the Revolution controller thread.
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I like MGS. But should I start a new thread to post screens from another awesome looking game? Or just post them here? I think it would be more convenient to just post them here...
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Post them in a relevant existing thread for the same format, rather than (as a theoretical example, of course) posting them in one for a game on another format, and then waxing lyrical about how much better the hyperviralmarketinghype12s' graphics are compared to the bagopishxtreme.
Because, to be honest, your jaikets on a shoogly peg as far as honest evaluation of relative consolular merits go.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
That's on account o' ye do it almost every other day. And then when postin' in threads for other consoles - like th'Revolution an' PS3 - jump into criticisin' them as much as possible (lest they receive a more favourable opinion than yer beloved xbox).
As we can see in th'above quote, an' th'Revolution controller thread.
Is it not true that the environmental textures are not the best? That's just fact. Not fanboyism. And in the Rev controller thread I criticized the controller due to the fact that it looks difficult to use and less functional as a single unit at all genres than a joypad. Now I have to criticize Microsoft for putting out 2 SKUs in the US for 300 and 400 and then putting out only the 400 SKU in Japan for 350. I feel ripped off. Happy?
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http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=97193&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending
It's strange that of your last 20 or so posts on next gen consoles, exactly none have critized MS (nay, you've actively fed in the viral marketing campaign), and none have actually praised a competitor but instead criticized it.
Very strange.
One might, perhaps, be included to believe you're humping Bill Gates leg like a labrador with two dicks. But Bill Gates has good security, so that would be a very silly metaphor.
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Do you have any idea how ****ing funny that is in pirate talk?
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Yarr!
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Erm, the link is screwed up.
There's no such file as ransack.php on the gamespy server :D :lol: Nor I imagine a defined php var "ransack".
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Originally posted by aldo_14
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/ransack.php?s=&action=showresults&ransackid=97193&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending
It's strange that o' yer last 20 or so posts on next gen consoles, exactly none have critized MS (nay, you've actively fed in th'viral marketin' campaign), an' none have actually praised a competitor but instead criticized it.
Blatantly false.
Now I have t'criticize Microsoft for puttin' out 2 SKUs in th'US for 300 an' 400 an' then puttin' out only th'400 SKU in Japan for 350. I feel ripped off.
I love Nintendo.
All in all, th'Revolution sounds like it could be very attractive.
ain't Sony th'same way? Albiet they are much more blatant about it. I think I like Nintendo's approach best.
Heres t'hopin' th'Nintendo Revolution be a next-gen console that actually looks good!
Don't spout bullcrap.
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I'm frankly not impressed, it looks complicated I've used 3d space mice an' they ARE NOT GOOD for precision, but I'll reserve judgement until I use it. At least that explains how they are goin' t'do NES games...
I've used mice that use th'same tech AND IT DOESNT WORK FOR PRECISION stuff. They claim it will be great for FPSs, but I just don't see it.
[/q] (on Nintendo controller thread - that ye started. Worth notin' yer 'I love Nintendo' quote came as a response t'bein' challenged there, too)
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Hmmm... I was expectin' a little more...
[/q] (on first proper PS3 screenshot bein' released)
[q]WTH!!!!
All th'sites have th'GoW an' NNN presentations blacked out!!! What th'HELL! WHY ARE THEY HIDING IT!!![/q]
(same thread, in what would appear t'be completely irrelevant attempt t'detour it aft into x360 games)
Oh, an' lets not forget startin' 2 threads for th'same game; an' gettin' all uppity on th'first when someone suggested another game best graphics, promptin' an assault o' promo screenshots from another game.
Some other subtle plugs
[q]Too bad me PC won't run it... Or be that really a loss since Bathsheda says th'X360 version be better anyway. I need t'get around t'upgradin' me PC one o' these days nonetheless.[/q]
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,35010.0.html
(topic started with th'purpose of, it would seem, slyin' shovin' in a Project Gotham whatever screenshot)
[q]What part? The dev kit? Yes th'dev kits are obviously not built for beauty compared with their counterparts...[/q]
(followed by picture o' console; another bloody advert)
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,34735.0.html
(repostin' th'same set o' images from yer first advert thread for th'xbox360, for nay apparent purpose beyond readvertisin' them)
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I think this sums it up pretty well...
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quote:Everyone be overreacting. The entire press be actin' like this be some huge mistake "to release two *different consoles" at different price points. It be th'same freakin' console people! We all expected th'unit t'come packaged with everythin' under th'sun in th'box for some amazingly cheap price; anythin' less than our stunnin' high expectations be considered a ludicrous mistake. Some o' ye have commented that MS be goin' t'make a profit on each unit - an' I have t'ask, are ye serious? Does anyone have any idea how much these hardware components cost? The real word be that each unit with HD costs MS $477 each - that doesn't sound like a positive profit margin t'me. Let's add up some internal components:
1) Triple core processor (with stripped L2 cache) - AMD Sempron's (equiv cache size?) at this speed (single core) cost about $150
2) 512MB o' memory - $99
3) Water coolin' solution - gonna add t'the cost here
4) Oh yeah, premium high end video chipset - heck, ATI X850XT PE's are goin' for o'er $400 bucks still..
5) 2.5 inch notebook drives cost more - While 20 GB be kind o' paltry for PC storage needs, this ain't yer t'port PC, an' it's goin' t'be in a custom enclosure, those things cost money too!
6) Case, power supply, etc, etc, etc - $$$
Do we get th'picture here? Or should I continue?
I think EVERYTHING in this reaction centers around th'lack o' th'HDD as standard equipment, which I admit be a bit dissapointing. I still hope developers take advantage o' th'HD for better game performance (and I wonder an some games will require it t'even play th'game), but th'reality be that even though Xbox1 had th'HDD, it wasn't used for boostin' performance by most developers (no cachin' o' game files people). Game saves, media files, an' downloadable content from Live were th'primary use. At any given point, barrin' some huge amount o' ripped mp3s on th'unit, th'HD was largely NOT utilized for performance increases as everyone thought (<1 GB o' data).
This be definitely a simple marketin' stunt by MS, nay bones about it. I'm nabbin' a $399 one myself - there's nay way ye can "live" on XBLive without th'HD! Flyers for Thanksigivin' weekend will have th'"Xbox360 Next-Gen Console" listed as "Startin' at $299!" - def looks good in th'books, an' this be how every console launched in th'last generation - standard procedure people. Everyone needs t'take a big breath, MS get's criticized nay matter what they do, it's part o' bein' such a large corporation.
For those o' ye what think th'PS3 will undercut this cost when it launches, I'm LMAO. No freakin' way people - th'hardware be even more exotic, an' Kutaragi has already told us t'get ready for sticker shock. When PS3 launches in late '06, it will sell for AT least th'same price,and probably more...by this point, th'360 will have dropped in price by a least 50 bucks, an' probably get a game bundled with it. The REV be also not goin' t'be as cheap as people hope ($149? - LMAO again).
Technology costs money, an' th'tech ain't gettin' cheaper people. GET A GRIP![/q]
[/q] (havin' a hie at criticism o'er th'stupid 2 part release plan)
[q]smacks head:
Don't people feel stupid???
Even with th'HD th'production costs are low enough that Microsoft can undercut th'price o' th'PS3.
Only a few games on th'original Xbox took advantage o' th'HD as a tool for reducin' loadin' times, etc (like Halo). Most games simply used it t'store saved games/custom sound tracks.
The only time th'console would be without th'HD would be an someone feels th'inclination t'take it o'er t'a friends house instead o' luggin' around th'whole system t'share some save games or perhaps games on th'HD.
:smacks head:
Hangin' around th'Gamespot forums be bad for ones health... I never thought it would make it t'HLP.
I have a new idea, how about we not speculate about features as an as o' yet unreleased console an' maybe focus on things that are currently more interesting? Like F.E.A.R.[/q]
(response t'the first thread here which brought up th'-then rumoured- dual release models for th'xbox360. The thread was critical, hence th'attempt t'divert into a PC game thread)
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I doubt it will drive up prices considerin' that peripherals are already sold for a LOT more than th'production value. Xbox contollers at th'Msoft Company store sell for about 75% o' th'usual price. In addition all new games thar sell for 25$ rather than 50$. Plus I think that this will increase th'quality o' peripherals. I'm tired o' seein' so much bilge out there...[/q] (usin' th'MS company store - which I presume ye must be a member o' - as an example o' license fees reducin' competition leadin' t'low pricing.....!?)
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1. Better graphics? Don't make me laugh. Wait until ye actually see real graphics until ye make that judgement. You say "but th'floatin' point!" That doesn't mean much for graphics. This generation, th'real powerhouses in th'consoles were th'GPUs. And in this case th'Xbox 360 hands down has th'PS3 beat.
2. CD player an' DVD player? I'm laughin' again. Every next gen console will have these.
3. Wrong. Xbox Live be th'largest console gamin' service, even beatin' out th'free PS2 service.
About th'consoles in general.
I'm willin' t'bet that Microsoft will pull a fast one when th'PS3 launches, both by cuttin' prices an' launchin' some major titles (GoW, Halo 3). The PS3 be bound t'retail for $399 or more, so th'Xbox 360 (I'm not even considerin' th'"core package") will have a better price an' a greater library o' new games. With such an advantage I imagine that many will sprin' for th'Xbox 360 rather than th'PS3 except for th'die-hard PS3 fans. I see th'Revolution fittin' into th'whole picture as complementary t'a PS3 or Xbox 360 with (hopefully) a cheap price. However, I still think th'idea o' payin' t'download old Nintendo games be rediculous, especially for those what keep their old consoles.[/q]
(Nice little quote attackin' th'other 2 consoles; almost spoutin' th'usual PR rubbish about vis-a-vis computation o' th'x360 an' PS3 when in actuality we couldn't yet make that comparison as a lot o' th'PS3 GPU is/was under wraps)
And...well, there's a lot more. Like postin' somethin' made up by th'MS xbox360 technical department as bein' a fair performance comparator amidst th'PS3/xbox360 (which was complete techy-bollocks IIRC; ignored, for example, an entire block o' RAM on th'PS3). And postin' links t'not only th'first 2 viral marketin' sites, but also frequently postin' links t'the 'puzzle o' th'day' for them.
Granted, you've been a little less harsh o'er Nintendo (because they're not straight up competitors ala Sony), but o' th'quoes you've selected - th'first was just done up thar for defensive purposes an' still be a limp wristed criticism, th'2nd was in response t'bein' called a fanboi after startin' a thread slaggin' poff th'Revolution controller, th'3rd was in response t'me critcisin' ye after ye posted another advert for th'Xbox (specifically downloadin' games off xbox live, in response t'people pointin' out an' praisin' Nintendos classic games service for th'Rev; http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,32678.0.html), th'4th was primarily as a aft handed swipe at Sony RE leaked press shots for interest (which ye're very good at pickin' up an' showin' when it comes t'x360), an' th'5th (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,32669.0.html) was actually not only not a compliment ('here's hoping'), it was only made in th'context o' pointin' out how bloody ugly th'PS3 is. and then launching into protracted sniping at the as then undisplayed console.
I believe th'term be 'shiver me timbersin' with faint praise'.
EDIT: :rolleyes: :lol:
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Owned.
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I really can't read this thread very well with all this pirate talk going on...:D
EDIT: Oh my ****ing God...I read this thread in pirate speak, and by the time I hit the "quick reply" button...no more pirate speak! :D
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damn DeepBlue thoroughly Owned, there are more examples of what aldo has said too:nod:
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How so, he siad I had not said one positive thing about the competition when indeed I had. He just diverted the subject to how I favor the Xbox to the other consoles. Ownage denied. I take no shame in favoring one over the other. I also find it funny how two self-admitted Sony fanboys jumped on the bandwagon :rolleyes:.
Nevertheless, this whole spiel was not necessary in the slightest.
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Yeah that is funny.
Funny because it doesn't matter.
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he didnt say anything about the competition, but about how you kiss MS ass to no end and down the others
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Originally posted by aldo_14
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I'm frankly not impressed, it looks complicated I've used 3d space mice an' they ARE NOT GOOD for precision, but I'll reserve judgement until I use it. At least that explains how they are goin' t'do NES games...
I've used mice that use th'same tech AND IT DOESNT WORK FOR PRECISION stuff. They claim it will be great for FPSs, but I just don't see it.
[/q] (on Nintendo controller thread - that ye started. Worth notin' yer 'I love Nintendo' quote came as a response t'bein' challenged there, too) It doesn't take bias to see that 3d mice that work in the same way aren't very practical in this application AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE! Am I not entitled to my opinions?
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Hmmm... I was expectin' a little more...
[/q](on first proper PS3 screenshot bein' released) I was expecting more specifically from Kojima. I believe he should have waited to unveil MGS4 as the game is clearly not up to his high standards yet. Denied.
[q]WTH!!!!
All th'sites have th'GoW an' NNN presentations blacked out!!! What th'HELL! WHY ARE THEY HIDING IT!!![/q]
(same thread, in what would appear t'be completely irrelevant attempt t'detour it aft into x360 games)Related due to the fact that it was TGS. You complain at me for starting whole new threads, yet when I put posts in appropriate threads you foam at the mouth.
Oh, an' lets not forget startin' 2 threads for th'same game; an' gettin' all uppity on th'first when someone suggested another game best graphics, promptin' an assault o' promo screenshots from another game. Only because I blind man would say that the newest GoW shots don't look better than the alpha MGS4 shots. You might have noticed the distinction had you paid more attention to my posts rather than simply flaming me.
Some other subtle plugs
[q]Too bad me PC won't run it... Or be that really a loss since Bathsheda says th'X360 version be better anyway. I need t'get around t'upgradin' me PC one o' these days nonetheless.[/q] The screenies in the thread were 360 screens and I was responding to a PC related post. Try again.
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,35010.0.html
(topic started with th'purpose of, it would seem, slyin' shovin' in a Project Gotham whatever screenshot) Do poeple not start other threads showing the beauty of other games? See FEAR.
[q]What part? The dev kit? Yes th'dev kits are obviously not built for beauty compared with their counterparts...[/q]
(followed by picture o' console; another bloody advert) So now putting a comparison pic in an absolute pertinent thread is an advert? Start suin cause you got a lot of work to do.
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,34735.0.html
(repostin' th'same set o' images from yer first advert thread for th'xbox360, for nay apparent purpose beyond readvertisin' them)
SOMEONE got angry at me for not having a seperate thread for them...
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I think this sums it up pretty well...
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quote:Everyone be overreacting. The entire press be actin' like this be some huge mistake "to release two *different consoles" at different price points. It be th'same freakin' console people! We all expected th'unit t'come packaged with everythin' under th'sun in th'box for some amazingly cheap price; anythin' less than our stunnin' high expectations be considered a ludicrous mistake. Some o' ye have commented that MS be goin' t'make a profit on each unit - an' I have t'ask, are ye serious? Does anyone have any idea how much these hardware components cost? The real word be that each unit with HD costs MS $477 each - that doesn't sound like a positive profit margin t'me. Let's add up some internal components:
1) Triple core processor (with stripped L2 cache) - AMD Sempron's (equiv cache size?) at this speed (single core) cost about $150
2) 512MB o' memory - $99
3) Water coolin' solution - gonna add t'the cost here
4) Oh yeah, premium high end video chipset - heck, ATI X850XT PE's are goin' for o'er $400 bucks still..
5) 2.5 inch notebook drives cost more - While 20 GB be kind o' paltry for PC storage needs, this ain't yer t'port PC, an' it's goin' t'be in a custom enclosure, those things cost money too!
6) Case, power supply, etc, etc, etc - $$$
Do we get th'picture here? Or should I continue?
I think EVERYTHING in this reaction centers around th'lack o' th'HDD as standard equipment, which I admit be a bit dissapointing. I still hope developers take advantage o' th'HD for better game performance (and I wonder an some games will require it t'even play th'game), but th'reality be that even though Xbox1 had th'HDD, it wasn't used for boostin' performance by most developers (no cachin' o' game files people). Game saves, media files, an' downloadable content from Live were th'primary use. At any given point, barrin' some huge amount o' ripped mp3s on th'unit, th'HD was largely NOT utilized for performance increases as everyone thought (<1 GB o' data).
This be definitely a simple marketin' stunt by MS, nay bones about it. I'm nabbin' a $399 one myself - there's nay way ye can "live" on XBLive without th'HD! Flyers for Thanksigivin' weekend will have th'"Xbox360 Next-Gen Console" listed as "Startin' at $299!" - def looks good in th'books, an' this be how every console launched in th'last generation - standard procedure people. Everyone needs t'take a big breath, MS get's criticized nay matter what they do, it's part o' bein' such a large corporation.
For those o' ye what think th'PS3 will undercut this cost when it launches, I'm LMAO. No freakin' way people - th'hardware be even more exotic, an' Kutaragi has already told us t'get ready for sticker shock. When PS3 launches in late '06, it will sell for AT least th'same price,and probably more...by this point, th'360 will have dropped in price by a least 50 bucks, an' probably get a game bundled with it. The REV be also not goin' t'be as cheap as people hope ($149? - LMAO again).
Technology costs money, an' th'tech ain't gettin' cheaper people. GET A GRIP![/q]
[/q] (havin' a hie at criticism o'er th'stupid 2 part release plan)Of course you ignore the part where I say that it was not my words, only a post of which parts I agreed with.
[q]smacks head:
Don't people feel stupid???
Even with th'HD th'production costs are low enough that Microsoft can undercut th'price o' th'PS3.
Only a few games on th'original Xbox took advantage o' th'HD as a tool for reducin' loadin' times, etc (like Halo). Most games simply used it t'store saved games/custom sound tracks.
The only time th'console would be without th'HD would be an someone feels th'inclination t'take it o'er t'a friends house instead o' luggin' around th'whole system t'share some save games or perhaps games on th'HD.
:smacks head:
Hangin' around th'Gamespot forums be bad for ones health... I never thought it would make it t'HLP.
I have a new idea, how about we not speculate about features as an as o' yet unreleased console an' maybe focus on things that are currently more interesting? Like F.E.A.R.[/q]
(response t'the first thread here which brought up th'-then rumoured- dual release models for th'xbox360. The thread was critical, hence th'attempt t'divert into a PC game thread)Quite the conspiracy theorist eh? Simply putting forth the fact that a hard drive was used primarily for save games etc. this gen and putting forth the reasonable suggestion that we not speculate on what we did not know then and rather focus on what is coming soon, like FEAR.
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I doubt it will drive up prices considerin' that peripherals are already sold for a LOT more than th'production value. Xbox contollers at th'Msoft Company store sell for about 75% o' th'usual price. In addition all new games thar sell for 25$ rather than 50$. Plus I think that this will increase th'quality o' peripherals. I'm tired o' seein' so much bilge out there...[/q] (usin' th'MS company store - which I presume ye must be a member o' - as an example o' license fees reducin' competition leadin' t'low pricing.....!?) I have a buddy who worked as an intern for a company. I got some stuff throught he company store for cheap through him. Denied.[q]
1. Better graphics? Don't make me laugh. Wait until ye actually see real graphics until ye make that judgement. You say "but th'floatin' point!" That doesn't mean much for graphics. This generation, th'real powerhouses in th'consoles were th'GPUs. And in this case th'Xbox 360 hands down has th'PS3 beat.
2. CD player an' DVD player? I'm laughin' again. Every next gen console will have these.
3. Wrong. Xbox Live be th'largest console gamin' service, even beatin' out th'free PS2 service.
About th'consoles in general.
I'm willin' t'bet that Microsoft will pull a fast one when th'PS3 launches, both by cuttin' prices an' launchin' some major titles (GoW, Halo 3). The PS3 be bound t'retail for $399 or more, so th'Xbox 360 (I'm not even considerin' th'"core package") will have a better price an' a greater library o' new games. With such an advantage I imagine that many will sprin' for th'Xbox 360 rather than th'PS3 except for th'die-hard PS3 fans. I see th'Revolution fittin' into th'whole picture as complementary t'a PS3 or Xbox 360 with (hopefully) a cheap price. However, I still think th'idea o' payin' t'download old Nintendo games be rediculous, especially for those what keep their old consoles.[/q]
(Nice little quote attackin' th'other 2 consoles; almost spoutin' th'usual PR rubbish about vis-a-vis computation o' th'x360 an' PS3 when in actuality we couldn't yet make that comparison as a lot o' th'PS3 GPU is/was under wraps)I wonder if you actually read my statements. WAIT UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY SEE REAL GRAPHICS BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT JUDGEMENT. Graphics are handled primarily by GPUs, and both GPUs have had there specs released of which the ATIs structure is projected to be better due to unified shaders. Last two statements are perfectly factual.
And...well, there's a lot more. Like postin' somethin' made up by th'MS xbox360 technical department as bein' a fair performance comparator amidst th'PS3/xbox360 (which was complete techy-bollocks IIRC; ignored, for example, an entire block o' RAM on th'PS3). which was replaced with a more accurate chart accounting for all assest of both consoles. :doubt: And postin' links t'not only th'first 2 viral marketin' sites, but also frequently postin' links t'the 'puzzle o' th'day' for them. I've also posted non-xbox/microsoft game related sites. Gee whiz!
Granted, you've been a little less harsh o'er Nintendo (because they're not straight up competitors ala Sony) Strange you should see that considering the two were far closer in market share. :doubt: , but o' th'quoes you've selected - th'first was just done up thar for defensive purposes an' still be a limp wristed criticism, th'2nd was in response t'bein' called a fanboi after startin' a thread slaggin' poff th'Revolution controller, th'3rd was in response t'me critcisin' ye after ye posted another advert for th'Xbox (specifically downloadin' games off xbox live, in response t'people pointin' out an' praisin' Nintendos classic games service for th'Rev; [color=red]Perhaps because it is not such a praise worthy service if when they could easily make these ancient games (which many have free clones on the internet) free. Merely pointing out the dichotomy that while Nintendo offers completely old games to download, I like the idea of NEW original Indie games available over Xbox Live. :rolleyes: [/color]http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,32678.0.html), th'4th was primarily as a aft handed swipe at Sony RE leaked press shots for interest (which ye're very good at pickin' up an' showin' when it comes t'x360), an' th'5th Have you ever stopped to think that maybe it's because the PS3 doesn't come out for another 6 months whereas the Xbox 360 launches in November? (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,32669.0.html) was actually not only not a compliment ('here's hoping'), it was only made in th'context o' pointin' out how bloody ugly th'PS3 is. and then launching into protracted sniping at the as then undisplayed console. I also complimented the Revolution on its great looks when pics came out. :doubt: It turned out great.
I believe th'term be 'shiver me timbersin' with faint praise'. I believe the term is read the context, then critique. :doubt:
EDIT: :rolleyes: :lol: [/B]
It's pretty clear that I am biased, but geuss what, so are you.
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Originally posted by Night Hammer
he didnt say anything about the competition, but about how you kiss MS ass to no end and down the others
Originally posted by aldo_14
and none have actually praised a competitor but instead criticized it.
Owned? Yes.
The end.
BTTT
MGS4 looks like it'll be great fun nonetheless coming from Kojima.
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Speak the Queen's English.
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Don't mind if I do.
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lol i cant read i could have sworn someone said competition wondering what you were refering to
so that settles it im illiterate:p
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Yes, you are. Now with that settled we can go back to talking about MGS4. I really love the art style they are going for here. Though I wonder why, if this is so futuristic, everyone is using a M4 w/ RIS and attachments?
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Futuristic? 10 years isn't a very long time.
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We've actually already passed by the date of Metal Gear Solid (Feb. 2005).
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when was sons of liberty sposed to take place?
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Originally posted by Deepblue
Yes, you are. Now with that settled we can go back to talking about MGS4. I really love the art style they are going for here. Though I wonder why, if this is so futuristic, everyone is using a M4 w/ RIS and attachments?
Probably the same reason you see armies still using AK-74s. Reliability.
And I stand by my previous comments. You can try and dress it up all you like, but I think people here are intelligent enough to see through it.
EDIT; I'd like you to point out in which way i am biased. Frankly, I'm sick of the whole console pullaver, although I will admit that the Revolution is interesting to me purely for reasons of innovation. Throwing a backwards accusation of bias isn't, of course, any form of excuse for your own bias. But at least you admit being biased. now just stop acting as a proxy advertiser, please. It gets annoying; I have enough hassle dodging cold callers and pop-ups, it's worse when it gets onto these forums.
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Originally posted by Night Hammer
when was sons of liberty sposed to take place?
According to the Wikepedia, late 2007.
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look's really nice, but damn snake is old....
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Lookign spiffy, but I have a feeling we'er gonna have a really annoying sidekick (Otacons Robot Thingiemajig TM)
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
According to the Wikepedia, late 2007.
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Look at the whole of Grey Wolf's post again, BlackDove ;).
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Whoops, didn't see quote.
There, all better now.
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Originally posted by Rictor
if I can find MGS2: Substance for sale anywhere close by.
saw it at frys for 10$ for the PC.
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Substance is pretty much a collector's item now. Local gamestop buys it for $26 :D.
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To clarify:
MGS3 - 1964
Metal Gear - 1995
Metal Gear 2 - 1999
MGS - 2005
MGS2 Tanker - 2007
MGS2 Big Shell - 2009
MGS4 - I guess 2019...
Also, Snake was 33 in MGS, I'll let you do the math from there.
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I live in Canada, so aside from Best Buy and their Canadian counterpart Future Shop the only place to go is EB Games. If they don't have it, I'm screwed since I don't have a credit card with which to buy online.
Of course, if anyone here has it and is willing to part with it (or a copy of it) I could send some money through the mail or whatever.
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Just get Sons of Liberty. Substance is little more than Sons of Liberty, plus additional training missions, Snake Tales (which was poorly done, IMO), and a skateboard minigame. Not worth the time to look for it, if you ask me.
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Yeah, but I don't have a PS2, that's the main thing. And there's no vanilla MGS2 for PC as far as I know.
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Oh, you have XBox... That makes a world of difference. I believe Substance for XBox is still being circulated. Anyway, it would be good to get a PSX for MGS1, because that is the baseline for the whole franchise. Also, alot of the stuff from MGS2 would ruin it for MGS1 if you didnt play it first. Kinda like watching a sequel to a movie you never saw. Confusing, and a general spoiler of the first.
So in short, don't play MGS2 before you play MGS1!
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I don't have either. I have my PC and that's it.
I've played a few hours into MGS1 (which is available for the PC) but unless it's completely necessary to understand MGS2 I doubt I'll go back. I've read up a bit (which is really why I want it, I play games as much for the story as for the gameplay, sometimes more so) about the whole MGS universe, and I figure it's about time I stopped missing out.
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Unfortunately the MGS world is attention to the extreme detail. You really can't afford to miss anything if you want to get the full story.
My suggestion is you get some cheap-ass PSX and the game (really, both should be really really cheap) and do it that way. You can't miss with that combo, considering MGS and PSX were really made for eachother - it's arguably the best game for the system (along with Final Fantasy titles).
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*personally thinks that MGS1 is the best Metal Gear game (story/atmosphere-wise) and should be played by anyone with a slight interest in the MG universe*
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Twin Snakes is really the best game, considering it's MGS1 with MGS2 graphics.
The only bad thing is that it's on the wrong ****ing console.
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*Points and laughs*
I had absolutely no idea it was on GCN until now... lol!
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:eek2: do NOT diss the 'Cube until you've played Metroid Prime or Wind Waker. Of course, if you already played them then diss away. :D
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I've played Metroid Prime, that's why I diss it :D.
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Originally posted by redsniper
:eek2: do NOT diss the 'Cube until you've played Metroid Prime or Wind Waker. Of course, if you already played them then diss away. :D
GC is not under my judgement. I just don't get why they released Twin Snakes for it, if all money-wringing past and future projects will be done on Sony's crap.
.....wrong console. Should've been PS2.
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I heard somewhere that Kojima was doing it as a favor for Miyamoto, or something like that.
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Originally posted by BlackDove
GC is not under my judgement. I just don't get why they released Twin Snakes for it, if all money-wringing past and future projects will be done on Sony's crap.
.....wrong console. Should've been PS2.
Nintendo wanted a port. Kojima basically said "Screw a port. Assign some other division to redo the graphics."
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Originally posted by Scuddie
I've played Metroid Prime, that's why I diss it :D.
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In contrast to the rather dumb CAD comic, this one was funny.
(http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050926.jpg)
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This is better:
(http://www.noneedforbushido.com/images/fanart/vgcatsmgs.jpg)
And cease your insulting of CAD.
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:lol:
That one IS better.
But CAD is biting more and more :p