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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fineus on April 27, 2001, 12:05:00 pm
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You've all seen it in the FS2 "concept" drawings, some of you have fallen in love with it, and now - coming soon from Apothess, who asked me to post this...
Drumroll...
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/thunder/vscarrier.jpg)
She's a beauty all right, Enjoy!
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With the help of others of course eg Setekh & who ever can help with the turrets etc. I'e had this model for months and just have done anything on it until now.
P.S have you passed this model onto anyone else Setekh?
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Cool (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Hey Apothess would you mind sending it to me? I may be able to help! [email protected]
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this one have nice curves (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) How many polys?
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Sweeet. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
How big is that sucker? What's the official history?
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Sweeet (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Could I ask to use it in the planned Twilight sequel? (another six mission campaign of greater length, I hope to have a new Vasudan capital ship as the flagship)
As for history... hmmm... something off the bat here:
GVD Semnai
Fielded towards the end of the engagement in Regulus, the Semnai is the answer of Emporer Khonsu II to advanced Shivan capital ship classes.
Featuring a spinal mounted photon beam cannon array, augmented by an internal radial Meson generation chamber, the Semnai features more firepower than any other vessel currently within the alliance fleets.
With a low crew of only 2,000, but a compliment of over 300 fighter spacecraft, these vessels are designed for maximum compatability with Terran and Vasudan systems , allowing for fielding the craft of both engineering paradigms efficiently and effectively.
Over a dozen Semnai class vessels are in service, two of which are flagships of Terran fleets.
(side note: The Semnai is Khonsu's answers to the rumors of project Golgotha, though it fields less primary canon firepower than the Golgotha, it is less vunrible to resupply issues as the experimental Terran destroyer is)
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And with Ace saying what he has (since Twilight seems to fit with BWO fairly well)....perhaps we might have need for such a vessel in BWO as well (we will have quite a bit of Vasudan involvement).
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Rahhh... why do you always want to put super weapons in capships? This one is a carrier, so just make it a carrier! If it uses no big weapons, so it must relies on it's fighter cover and other capships to defend it, so it involves some strategy to take it down (3 following strikes, one to lessen the fihgter cover, one to lessen capship covers ( to secure a bit bombers attack), and the last one to shoot down the capship itself). Why 3 missions? because it makes the ship more impressive in a storyline if you can't destroy it in one single strike, and this kind of strategies, I think, is fun. My personal opinion is that each class of capship should have its own purpose, not a varied ranged of possibilities (anti fighter ships, anti capships, carrier, long ranged attacks and so on).
That's what I'll do in my mod anyway (if I get to finish it one day...).
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You might like what we've done with the Sol ships in BWO.
Yeah, this one doesn't really need a big gun, just the standard Vasudan beam cannons which are pretty darn good.
Speaking from a design and strategic standpoint however, you want a capital ship that can go toe to toe with Shivan ones.
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nice job looks real Vasudan
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Very nice, err, how long is it? and from what icefire has said, i've just this to say........ PUT IT IN BWO! PUT IT IN BWO! PUT IT IN BWO!!!! it's just sweet to look at. and by the way anyone here familar with the warhammer 40k universe? particularly battlefleet gothic? just take a look at the Eldar ships and then look at vasudan ones.
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The only reason why I even mentioned the idea for a main gun for the ship is due to it's design which clearly is built around a forward cannon.
By no means would it be like the Golgotha, it would be a heavier standard Vasudan beam.
The strength for the Semnai would be in it's fighter compliment and numbers.
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OKAY To amny questions!!! Got on major hang over so i'll do my bset. You do not wnat to know how many polys are in that ship!! i don't have a progarm to reduce them. Unidan i will send it to you if Setekh hasn't already passed it on to any one. Aargh who cares i'll send you it anyway!
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Oooh yeah nearly forgot Ace sure you can use it your campaign yes Ice you can use it as well when it gets finished and whenever Setekh will tell me how far done this ship is.
I'm afraid if you did use it Ace you would have to call it the GVHD Imhotep cos thats wot i was going to name it. Your right about it being the Vasudan version of the Golgotha but i need the stats on the Golgotha to do a proper history Hint hint Icefire. I waz going to add 2 figther bays to the model but i no longer have any version of Truespace and i'm not and can't shell out £300 for a new copy & i can't get TS2 for 40 quid because the ship was made TS3 Aaaaaaaaargh nuts!!!!! Right i'm going back to bed!!!!
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GVHD Imhotep - I'd get rid of the H (since the Lucifer had the same SD designation that every other destroyer had). The name is good.
Stats eh. Well basically take an Orion, double the hitpoints, make the speed 20 and put some guns on it. As far as big weapons goes, a BGreen on each side and two MGreen's (a new beam inbetween SGreen and BGreen).
Vasudan beams are quite powerful however.
How many polys are we talking? Thats a major issue.
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Look, if we don't put it in BWO, I'll at least make a mission with it in there for fun if you want me to (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Imhotep? Someone's been watching a wee too bit of the Mummy... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Overall as for history, what I wrote would fit well into the BWO timeline. (making it an answer to ships such as the Ravanna, and it's being mainly a fighter carrier as opposed to the Golgotha which is highly dependent on deuterium to supply it's reactors for it's weaponry)
Overall, the Golgotha is modern-day terms is an FFE. (fosil fuel e-liminat0r!)
The GVD Imhotep, Semnai, or whatever you'll call it, is definately a carrier.
If the front of the ship is not fitted with a main cannon, it can always be turned into a sensor subsystem.
However I would suggest the front being a high-powered "Vslash" modification that makes it on par with the heavier beam turrets on the Orion. (i.e. the ship can take out light Shivan cruiser formations with one hit)
I'd also make most of it's firepower in fighter defense beams, I'd work out a new anti-fighter beam for the ship that has a lessened recharge rate as well as an orange-white instead of blue-white beam.
Finally a custom "Vasudan flak" designed for heavy dispersal and rapid fire, though light damage. (i.e. designed to intercept bombs)
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Golgotha uses primarily a Meson Reactor to power its main gun. The rest of the ships power needs are similar to that of a Hecate (efficient reactor and power grid design).
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Nice!! Looks very Vasudan to me. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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I still want to know how many polys there is!!! You know, ask someone who got 3dsmax to reduce this polycount, it's soooooo easy (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Okay how do you find out how many polys there on the model is it done in TS or something else?
Some good suggestions there Ace, i want the front of the ship fitted with a heavy beam cannon while the rest of the ship is armed to the teeth with anti-figther weapons since it is a carrier and carriers don't carry that much anti-cap ship weaponary. This ship will be featuring in my campaign Dark Horizions along with the DEADLY Shivan dreadnaught and i have no plans wot so ever to make a counter ship for the GTVA, i want it like FS1 where there was no counter to the luicfer.
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In TS: you select the model and right-click on the Object Tool icon. This'll show you nice stuff about the model, including poly count.
In 3DExploration: It shows the poly count automatically.
Oh yeah, polys = faces, obviously.
[This message has been edited by Jabu (edited 04-29-2001).]
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Originally posted by Ace:
The GVD Imhotep, Semnai, or whatever you'll call it, is definately a carrier.
It was called the Kouron (GVCa, Carrier class - though this is now Cruiser Adv., thanks to MT) back when I was working on it. Ack.
(http://setekh-1.tripod.com/gvca-kouron.jpg)
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Nice...
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That was an old Typhon texture. I thought it looked nice, though for consistency it should probably use a Typhon/Hatshepsut texture (they use the same one in parts). Or even a new one, if someone had the originality to make one. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Looks great. FS2 sure needs more Vasudan stuff.
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Setekh i liked your texturing better the only reason i redid it was for my portfolio for college and as far as i would you to still help with with it. but if it is not to much to ask i would like to be kept up to date with its development please. When did u name it last rendering u sent me it had no name i say put it to the vote which name to use or have two versions of the ship one the Kouron the carrier and the Imhotep the heavy destroyer like the fenris and Leviathan.
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I actually like the earlier texturing better than Setekh's, that's just because it's closer to the original concept art.
Also, if you have any test renders of your Shivan dreadnought, I'd like to see them, since I'm looking into finding a new Shivan capital ship for Twilight's sequel. (also I'm trying to find a conversion of Artic Frog's SI Nirvanna for FS2, despite the model's problems it works well as a prop in the background)
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I'd like to use this when you guys are done with it. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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I agree- I like the first texture better. Looks more Vasudan. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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I want one I want one! heh (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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I don't know why I'm posting this, WE HAVE to make a spacedock for that thing! A vasudan SHIPYARD!
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GVI Cheops Vasuden Installation
But I agree a shipyard in general would be a nice model.
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About the nirvana, I'm searching it too...
Ace", if you have a model of it (cob,3ds or max), even a bugged one, could you send it to me?
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If I had a model for it, I wouldn't be asking ;p
Still, finding the Nirvana, or getting a new Shivan installation built is of a high priority.
Also on a Vasudan installation, the GVI Cheops as well as the PVI... umm... GVI Karnak both work well.
The Karnak however is more of a "battlestation" as it's turret weaponry and pylon configuration is meant to destroy warships.
P.S. Setekh could you do up some renders of the assembled PVI Karnak? (i.e. on the white background, etc.)
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[This message has been edited by Ace (edited 04-29-2001).]
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Originally posted by Warlock:
GVI Cheops Vasuden Installation
Just reskin my Scylla. It is the cheops, just terran. And everything works on it.
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Karnak's nice but man it drives you nuts setting that thing up just right in fred lol
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Originally posted by Ace:
P.S. Setekh could you do up some renders of the assembled PVI Karnak? (i.e. on the white background, etc.)
Could be better, could be worse.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/setekh/karnak-plainbg.jpg)
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The Shivan dreadnaught hasn't been modeled yet i still doing the concept sketches. i have a whole load of them but none of them seem to fit what i want which is very big and strikes that much fear into the pilot he'll go nuts!! thats the sort of design i want very big and very evil and scary looking!
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Oh Ace i forgot to say i do have a Shivan destroyer modelled but its untextured and i have sent it onto Robin Varley who's helping me once he finishes his shivan vessels. so if you give me your e-mail i could send you a picture of the untextured model if you want.
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heh that makes 2 of us working on a Shivan dread with no idea what we want (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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NOT something that looks like the Sathanas. More Ravana-like, if you need an FS2 reference.
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Send that picture over Apothesses.
I'm looking for some very nasty new Shivan hardware...
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Originally posted by Warlock:
heh that makes 2 of us working on a Shivan dread with no idea what we want (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
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Nobody has made a new shivan juggernaut? It's bizarre..
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Beautiful.
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I don't want to see another jugger in the game for starters you can't have more than 4 in a mission and even then you can't place very many others ships. if you want a big shivan vessel why dosen't somebody make a Shivan Planet Killer(sure could use one!) and have it one of a kind?
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Will you give me some time already (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) lol
Actually we're working on a mega-destroyer for Ghosts of the Past,..being it's ohhh about 60% of the base story line it's a bit of a must (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Course it MUST have ONE certain aspect,...which Shrike, Setehk, and Thunder know about,...unless of course they forgot lol
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Sorry Woomeister that info is Classified!!!!
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Maybe this will help (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) http://www.jw0011475.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/SSJGigas.zip ("http://www.jw0011475.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/SSJGigas.zip")
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Why did you bumb this topic?
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Because it's cool.
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I didn't notice that it wasn't current, ah well. It wasn't a deliberate bump (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Even so, some of the new people haven't seen the ship - which 0wns.
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Originally posted by Apothess:
I don't want to see another jugger in the game for starters you can't have more than 4 in a mission and even then you can't place very many others ships. if you want a big shivan vessel why dosen't somebody make a Shivan Planet Killer(sure could use one!) and have it one of a kind?
Hehe....I did this about for my (abortive) campaign. Never finsihed or textured it, though.
The forward set of 'spikes' was a seperate sub-object, inteded to rotate. I preferred it rotated 45 degress round, though - looked better.
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/g.white19/monster1.jpeg)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/g.white19/monster2.jpeg)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/g.white19/monster3.jpeg)
would have been ' bout 15-20km long (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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That is very very cool.
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What's the best/most accurate/easiest way of setting up the Karnak Installation in Fred2?
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Take it from a mission where it's already been set up and delete everything but the installations placement in the mission, then build your new mission around that.
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Originally posted by 'Captain' Nick Brown:
What's the best/most accurate/easiest way of setting up the Karnak Installation in Fred2?
The best way I've discovered so far is to place all the bits down and then go to the objects editor. Set them all to the same area and then rotate the 'prominade' pieces by their Y axis until it's almost perfect. That's the best I can do.
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Originally posted by 'Captain' Nick Brown:
The best way I've discovered so far is to place all the bits down and then go to the objects editor. Set them all to the same area and then rotate the 'prominade' pieces by their Y axis until it's almost perfect. That's the best I can do.
It comes with a mission, all you have to do is fix the tipe of ship they are, and your done if you cant do that I can for you.
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One of the reasons why the Karnak is not so popular is due to the need to construct it.
That is due to the fact that Dark did design it for Cardinal Spear: Vega, and it required the arrangement for the proper pyrotechnics as well as to maintain the turret count for FS1.
Edit: Also nice juggernaut... yet it seems not quite like the B****h in firepower (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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[This message has been edited by Ace (edited 08-22-2001).]
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Originally posted by StarGunner:
It comes with a mission, all you have to do is fix the type of ship they are, and you're done. If you can't do that, I can do it for you.
I don't understand... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif) do you know what the Karnak model is?
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Karnak is a big Vasudan installation done by Dark way back in the day for Cardinal Spear: Vega.
It comes with a mission in the package that has the thing pre-assembled.
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Originally posted by IceFire:
Karnak is a big Vasudan installation done by Dark way back in the day for Cardinal Spear: Vega.
It comes with a mission in the package that has the thing pre-assembled.
I know. I'm asking him that.
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So what are you confused about again?
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Originally posted by Ace:
Edit: Also nice juggernaut... yet it seems not quite like the B****h in firepower (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Hehehe (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) I was going to ask when people here would be able to have a glimpse of the B****h? Hmmmm? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Why don't yuo give the name away? After all it's just a name, it won't show anything (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Anyway, what's up with this vasudan carrier?