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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => FreeSpace Conversion => Silent Threat: Reborn => Topic started by: fs2freak88 on September 21, 2005, 05:00:29 pm
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ok, I thought this was supposed to be released by christmas LAST YEAR. Well I've had enough. Whether YOU guys think it's dead or not, it is. I'm tired of hearing "It'll be done soon" "we're working on it, be patient" "we're too busy" And also seeing very few screenshots and videos, that only supports my claim as it is dead.
If a project host would like to respond, you must make it very clear that is project will be released soon, or, as my claim says, never.
FS2FREAK88
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Chill. Seriously. Do you honestly think that Goober would release a video clip of a mission when he has no intention of ever releasing ST:R?
Goober, Galemp, and the FSPort team know what they're doing. Whether you like it or not, these men have a quality standard that they strive to live up to, that of the original Freespace. They also have the painstaking effort to upgrade Silent Threat from its original, horrible state to an enjoyable campaign on par with the original Freespace.
Bear in mind, sir, that they have also had to avoid using SCP assistance so that they can release ST:R as they promised when it was begun: in retail FS2, so that us poor saps who can't handle FSO can enjoy it.
Your post was inflammatory, uncalled for, and just reeking with ignorance, insult, and disrespect. If I had my way, I would see to it that you never posted such a thing again in any forum. Such comments insult the staff behind this project and only detriment their progress.
Want to be helpful? Give some encouragement to keep going, or ask (VERY) occassionally (and politely, for God's sake) for a progress check.
Don't want to be helpful? Then please do refrain from posting such unnecessary comments and flames. Take some advice from the gentleman who posted in another recent thread, asking politely why he still noticed some major bugs. He got a polite answer.
You are not polite. Therefore, I will not be.
EDIT: In addition, DK brings up a very good point. Check the number of avatars GE has alone. Add this to Goober's work on Fortunes of War, the duties of an HLP Admin, the Source Code, and then add Real Life to the equation as well.
These guys are making amazing progress for having such a workload. Realize that next time you post.
Thank you.
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Originally posted by fs2freak88
... also seeing very few screenshots and videos, that only supports my claim as it is dead.
FS2FREAK88
Yet seeing any screenshots and videos at all tells you it's alive. What about the Mystery Video a few month's back? You can say that that’s old but it’s newer than Christmas, and when your dealing with an FS project the end of July counts as VERY recent, especially when you consider the amount of other work these good people are doing both RL, for other projects and the FS community as a whole. You gonna tell me BWO is dead too ‘cos we’re a good few years past the release date stated on their trailer? I only hope this is some kind of misguided joke.
I mean really, and I don't say this harshly. What's your problem? It's not like you've paid for it? An intended release date isn't a written in blood contract or anything is it? It'll be done when it's done, I have faith in these guys, like I do in anyone else, and if they can't finish it? So what? Again it's not like you've paid for it? And it's not like someone else wont offer to pick it up and finish it if they can’t? They're not just going to let something they've invested so very many man hours in just die for no good reason now are they? It's a labor of love for the intended enjoyment of many not just you.
It's not often that I post anywhere on these forums but what you said struck me as overly harsh and inflammatory and demanded a response. Damn right uncalled for really why not asks politely and be a little encouraging with it.
Tell you what, try making something yourself of the same quality as these guys, juggling it with perhaps a dozen or more other online commitments and then factor in the real world on top of things, then see if you can stick to a probably tentatively intended release date.
Thank you.
Edit: Hmm, got there first... well at least we're united in our response.
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BTW:
Just as the Port, will ST:Reborn have an SCP versions for us spoilt children who CAN run it?
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Oh? It's dead? Oh well. Guess you won't ever get to play it then. Too bad.
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You guys still haven't provided recent screen shots or videos within the last 60 days. Wow. Weak. Really Weak.
Keep up the "hard" work!
FS2FREAK88
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Originally posted by Flaser
BTW:
Just as the Port, will ST:Reborn have an SCP versions for us spoilt children who CAN run it?
Won't have any, it's dead, read your own post. :lol: I take it you'll play nicely now so I can go back to my hole for another few months or so.
Edit: Obviously not. Guys, don't give him nothing. Spoilt brats should've been spanked more often when young.
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Originally posted by Dark Knight
Won't have any, it's dead, read your own post. :lol: I take it you'll play nicely now so I can go back to my hole for another few months or so.
Um, that wasn't a fs2prick post, DK. :nervous: Flaser's innocent, last I checked. ;)
You guys still haven't provided recent screen shots or videos within the last 60 days. Wow. Weak. Really Weak.
Keep up the "hard" work!
FS2FREAK88
I really hope someone bans you. Seriously. You're acting like a pure-de-dur prick. Do you know what happens to pricks?
Enjoy your permanent vacation. :doubt:
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Soz, theres a reason I don't post often. :sigh: I'm going to blame it on being 12 past midnight I feel.
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I could easily do the same bashing with inferno. Why don't I? They have to mod ALL new ships, AND do missions. You guys only gotta do the missions, since all the FS1 models were ported over long ago. Go back to my last post for further evidence why it is.
Please tell me if there's been anything new in the last month (screen shots and videos)!!!! (besides Goob's)
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Can you not read?
GE has TVWP, SA, SW Conversion, and probably more not hosted on HLP in addition to ST:R. Goober has the Source Code to keep him busy, in addition to TVWP, and probably even more.
With nearly six projects under my belt, I know exactly what it's like to be stretched like that. You apparently do not. It's pricks and flamebaiters like you that do nothing but demand of the community, but give nothing in return.
I could easily do the same bashing with inferno.
Do it. I dare you. In fact, why don't you do the same with BWO? Jump on the ol' bandwagon and attack the major campaigns? Or Scroll?
Cut the crap, and don't come back until you have.
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DONT TALK BACK TO ME NUCLEAR!!
I loved the FSPort, I really did. I still play it, in fact.
I could care less about BWO, so no need to bash them. Let them do their work. They will please a lot of people, I'm not interested.
Don't busy yourselves with 6 projects!! Don't you guys have lives to live? Eat, do homework, go to work, etc?
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Allow me to try to explain.
Have you ever made missions? I have, I made a very old, very bad campaign a long time ago and it took ages, I don't recomend it.
I've also been working for a year on a still unnanounced campaign becuase I want to make sure it can be done right before I release anything so I don't have to put up with people like you pestering me for it to be done.
Sure, a working mission can be fredded in about a day, but it takes a minimum of at least half a week to do it properly, and since you have to fit the rest of your life into that week, the affore mentioned living and eating that three or four days tends to spread a very, very long way.
Add to that the need for beta testing, breaks, technical problems... lets face it takes a long time to make a really good mission so someone like you wont come along afterwords and complain about becuase it fell apart when you blew up cruiserY against orders before DestroyerX appeared making the mission freeze up and crash out.
Why get involved in X number of projects? Becuase they're good at what they do, and they're intrested in a lot of things, they don't HAVE to do any of this. It's a hobby not a job, this is for fun, their fun, and they can do whatever they like.
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I create missions, just for me to play, they work fine. I wish I knew more about FRED and how powerful it really can be, working SEXPS right. If I were to release one of my missions, I'd get slammed left and right. Do I care? OF COURSE NOT! So why u all slamming me? All's I'm doing is constructive criticism.
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Thats the point, there was nothing constructive about what you said. It wasn't even criticism. it was more an insult really.
If you'd framed your first post as a request for an update, maybe asked for a pic or two and told them how much you enjoyed the origenal things'd be fine, what you actualy did was to effectively call them liars and demanded a quick release presented in the frame of a rather circular and small minded arguement.
Listen, all I'm doing is fanning the flames really and catching innocents in the cross fire (really sorry about that by the way) so i'm going to bed, my suggesting, and this is honestly friendly advise, is for you to go away for a little while and think about your phrasing, a little politeness goes a long way.
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Originally posted by fs2freak88
I create missions, just for me to play, they work fine. I wish I knew more about FRED and how powerful it really can be, working SEXPS right. If I were to release one of my missions, I'd get slammed left and right. Do I care? OF COURSE NOT! So why u all slamming me? All's I'm doing is constructive criticism.
The thing is, you're slamming the ST:R team left and right for not releasing missions soon enough. Would you prefer they release crappy missions so you can slap 'em left and right for those instead?
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Originally posted by fs2freak88
DONT TALK BACK TO ME NUCLEAR!!
I loved the FSPort, I really did. I still play it, in fact.
I could care less about BWO, so no need to bash them. Let them do their work. They will please a lot of people, I'm not interested.
Don't busy yourselves with 6 projects!! Don't you guys have lives to live? Eat, do homework, go to work, etc?
Don't get pricked with me. I have enough time to work six projects well enough. I FRED for four of them, but only write storylines/background info for the other two.
It's called creativity. I've got a lot of it, and these projects help me to express it. On that note, let the FSPort team have their own creativity.
I don't even feel like dignifying any of the rest of that with a response. If you feel like bashing the FSPort team, at least have some of your own work to use as leverage or backup for your cause. Actually, don't bash the FSPort team at all.
You've been warned. When an admin's boot comes flying up your... you'll know you've gone too far. :doubt:
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FS2Freak88: Tell ya what. Go ahead and play the Original Silent Threat. There's your campaign--all finished. OK? Good. Hope you like it. I know we did.
For the rest of you: Thanks for your support. :) Goober and I appreciate your patience, and the defense you've given our project. Our number one goal in this endeavor is not to disappoint. Trust me, this campaign has two of the top ten greatest missions I've ever played for either FS1 or FS2. We're going very deep into the FS history books, including classic campaigns like The Aeos Affair and Awakenings, and rewriting quite a bit of it. Hopefully this campaign will be remembered as the definitive post-Great War campaign.
The delays we're experiencing have been mainly points of contention between me and Goober about plot elements and mission structures, where neither of us really wants to compromise nor piss each other off. I have eighteen missions on my computer that I could write a campaign file for RIGHT NOW but I'm not, because we have lots of debating still to do. We want this campaign to be finished to the satisfaction of both of us, and for the community.
Goober's just finished his thesis and has just moved into a new home. He's a major contributor to the Source Code Project, and administrating the boards is a full-time job in itself. He FREDs when he can, and the results are usually outstanding. I've seen him do things with SEXPs that would twist your brainstem into knots.
I myself am a full-time college student with a love life, and I've been gradually shifting into modeling and animation and away from FREDding. I've been doing mod work for the Scroll of Atankharzim to keep things moving while Sesquipedalian is doing his final thesis. I've also been quickly modeling a few things that happen to pop into my head because I don't want to lose the ideas. Currently ST:R is very high on my list of priorities mainly because I want to be finished with it and just move on; I won't let that affect the quality of the work, however.
Goober doesn't want to release without full voice acting. We're still debating this but when it's done, it will be done. Thanks for sticking with us on this. And in the immortal words of God's Last Message to His Creation:
We apologize for the inconvenience.
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You guys are total WIMPS. You have STILL yet to give me any evidence you've posted SOMETHING within the last 15-30 days. You guys are weak. Telling me to play Silent Threat? Wow....You guys are totally defenseless. Learn to answer questions, not dodging them! It will benefit us all. :)
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I like how you've completely missed the point. And how you think screenshots, videos, and the like, (or the lack thereof) have any correlation whatsoever with progress.
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No Proof Fenrir!
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Proof of what, exactly? Nobody's denying there's been absolutely no screenshots or whatever for the past month or whatnot.
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Exactly. That's what I want to see. If I see screenshots and videos of this project within the last 30 days, I'll promise you, I can actually be defeated and I'll proclaim this project active.
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If you just wanted screenies, you could have thought of a less insulting way of asking...
And you can proclaim whatever you like, it won't change the way things are. Call it dead if you want. It makes no difference. If it is, it is, and if it isn't, it isn't. And this topic alone contains all the evidence you need to know that it is indeed alive.
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As going back to my first post, It is dead until I see Screenshots and/or Videos dating back 30 days or less. If it's there, I'll believe it's alive. Plain and simple.
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Originally posted by fs2freak88
No Proof Fenrir!
Why the hell does anyone have to give you proof? You've proven to be ungrateful throughout this whole thread, so just what the hell does the FSPort owe you?
Read my lips: This. Project. Is. NOT. Dead. I happen to have more faith in Goober and Galemp than I have in anyone on this board to get a job done and done right. I know Goober is going to be one to abandon years of hard FRED work and just abandon the project. If you can't grasp that, than you must have an IQ of ****.
You guys are total WIMPS.
That's it. Get the hell out of this forum, and don't come back. You're obviously not a fan of this; otherwise, you'd be willing to wait for it. You're being a ****tard, and doing a great job at it. If you ever want to show up and show some support for these guys and all their work, then feel free.
Until then, **** off, and don't come back.
For the rest of you: Thanks for your support.
Anytime. FSPort has always had a special place in my FS2 career, as it is the backbone of my own campaign, and I applaud the work your crew has done so far.
Don't let people like fs2prick get you down. You've got a devoted fanbase that is willing to wait a little longer for a quality product. Don't forget that. ;)
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DONT TALK BACK TO ME NUCLEAR! I've never called you a bad name, so don't call me ONE back [loads of naughty words].
YOUR A WIMP ESPECIALLY NUCLEAR. YOU STILL DONT HAVE A SINGLE PROOF. Don't tell me to get outta this forum, I have every single right to write constructive criticism. GET OUTTA MY FACE AND DONT TALK BACK TO ME. GOT IT?
Punk
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Then start criticising constructively.
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Originally posted by fs2freak88
DONT TALK BACK TO ME NUCLEAR! I've never called you a bad name, so don't call me ONE back [loads of naughty words].
YOUR A WIMP ESPECIALLY NUCLEAR. YOU STILL DONT HAVE A SINGLE PROOF. Don't tell me to get outta this forum, I have every single right to write constructive criticism. GET OUTTA MY FACE AND DONT TALK BACK TO ME. GOT IT?
Punk
I'm just curious, are you 12 years old, by any chance? If you're not, you're doing a very good impersonation of one. Before you use the phrase "constructive criticism" try reading this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_criticism), then re-read what you previously wrote. If after that you still believe that you were offering constructive criticism, repeat this process.
I'd also like to point out that having a hissy fit about something and playing with the caps lock key while typing doesn't make you right. Why don't you try to find some proof that Silent Threat: Reborn is indeed dead?
And finally, no one here really cares about whether you believe this to be dead or not, especially since the criterion on which you base your arguement is quite obviously flawed.
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You have not had one ounce of constructive criticism throughout this whole thread. They have been unnecessary and harsh flames toward the FSPort:
Well I've had enough. Whether YOU guys think it's dead or not, it is.
Wow. Weak. Really Weak.
Keep up the "hard" work!
You guys only gotta do the missions, since all the FS1 models were ported over long ago. Go back to my last post for further evidence why it is.
You guys are total WIMPS.
It is dead until I see Screenshots and/or Videos dating back 30 days or less. If it's there, I'll believe it's alive. Plain and simple.
Tell me where, if anywhere, there is "constructive criticism". Constructive criticism is giving helpful advice regarding story, mods, or any aspect of the project. Constructive criticism is NOT hammering the FSPort team for not sticking to a random release date and then calling them 'wimps'.
Personal attacks against me won't work either. Maybe I am a wimp. I'll admit that there's not been any screenshots "within the past 30 days", but that doesn't mark on my bravery, as the word 'wimp' implies, now does it?
Learn this: when you insult a member of the community, you insult the entire community. I get defensive when people I respect are attacked, especially by wimps and lowlife n00bs such as yourself. You called GE, Goober, Fenrir, Dark Knight, and myself all wimps in the same thread. You called down the thunder, and now you have to reap the whirlwind.
You don't know how to give constructive criticism. If you did, you wouldn't be getting up the ass from all of us here. This team has done more for the community than you could ever do. Dark Knight is not a 'wimp'; he's an excellent writer and genius in terms of generating background information. GE is not a 'wimp'; he's been in charge or contributing to more projects than I could ever do, and I've had the privilege in the past of working on SA with him. Goober is not a 'wimp'; he can and will not hesitate to kick your n00bish ass out of this forum, not to mention that he regularly contributes to the community with new SCP builds and new FRED tricks. Fenrir is not a
'wimp'; he is simply defending the FSPort team, which I commend him for.
I am not a 'wimp', a 'punk', nor do I 'talk back' to anyone. I happen to FRED for nearly four projects and lead two, and, while I am not boasting or attempting to flaunt my ego, I'll say that's more than you can manage or handle.
Before you insult the community, be a part of it. Until then, I think you should learn what it's like to have Goober's foot in your ass.
You can use ALL CAPS as much as you like. You can call me a 'punk' or accuse me of talking back. You can call the people here 'wimps' all you want, but it will never do you any good. You are not getting people to listen to you, except to have them flame you back. Remember this: we are all contributing members of the community. What are you? From what I understand, you simply leech off of and then attack members of the board and major projects here.
I don't care if you've been here since the beginning of the board. You're still a ****tard, a n00b, and an inconsiderate, ungrateful jackass.
Goodbye.
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Originally posted by fs2freak88
DONT TALK BACK TO ME NUCLEAR! I've never called you a bad name, so don't call me ONE back [loads of naughty words].
YOUR A WIMP ESPECIALLY NUCLEAR. YOU STILL DONT HAVE A SINGLE PROOF. Don't tell me to get outta this forum, I have every single right to write constructive criticism. GET OUTTA MY FACE AND DONT TALK BACK TO ME. GOT IT?
Punk
Simply put:
**** you. You're an idiot.
If you think it's so easy to do, do it yourself.
Ta ta. :)
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Wow, this is quite a useless thread. I'm going to formally request lockage, since the only good that is going to come out of this is that fs2freak88 will manage to prove that he is indeed 12 years old.
I'd post words of support for the Port crew now, but somehow I find them wholy unnecessary. Still looking forward to the real Silent Threat.
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Request noted, Strat. I said what I had to say and hoped someone would notice it. Apparently my words have gone unheeded.
Freak, I'd say it's generally a bad idea to piss off an admin. I wouldn't be suprised if you hear personally from Goober soon, but that's between you two.
As for everyone else, ta. Have a treat. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=968)