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Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Dough with Fish on September 23, 2005, 10:10:48 pm: Wow...

I mean, Jesus, talk about good TV.

I had some reservations on how they would handle finding the Pegasus, but that. That was sheer fraking genius....

Discuss.

Oh, and SPOILER!!!

Who else thought the Admriall killed her XO?
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Bobboau on September 23, 2005, 10:18:30 pm: :eek2: .....holy fuck
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: neo_hermes on September 23, 2005, 10:19:54 pm: Spoiler:
i kinda think each and every member of the pegasus crew are cylons. Especially that Squadron Captian.

Admiral Kaine did kill her XO.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Falcon on September 23, 2005, 10:20:34 pm: *can't talk but instead uses smilies to convey how awesome the episode was*

:jaw: :eek: :eek2: :jaw: :eek: :eek: :jaw: :eek2: :jaw: :eek2:

*thinks that about sums it all up*
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Post by: RangerKarl on September 23, 2005, 10:30:07 pm: Finale? Already? I thought they were making the new season longer, not shorter (or is it one of those mid-season break things?)?
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Bobboau on September 23, 2005, 10:32:45 pm: @neo_hermes:I have a good feeling that might be posable, I'm about 50/50

and it was the midseason finale
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: ZylonBane on September 23, 2005, 10:52:41 pm: I have a hard time believing that anyone as psychotic as Admiral Cain wouldn't have been fragged by her own crew months ago.

On the other hand, the entire crew of the Pegasus was depicted as a bit psycho too. Heck, they even have a Chief Master Cylon Raper. :rolleyes:
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Post by: redmenace on September 23, 2005, 11:01:01 pm: Baltar Cried!
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Post by: Liberator on September 23, 2005, 11:04:14 pm: cause the Pegasus brutallized a prisoner, i'd probly cry too.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: redmenace on September 23, 2005, 11:22:51 pm: Double Post
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: redmenace on September 23, 2005, 11:22:52 pm: I still am totally perplext by his character. And what is that huge craft they are talking about. Is this related to their idea of the one true God? Is their some other being commanding the cylons?
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: neo_hermes on September 23, 2005, 11:29:57 pm: Lucifer maybe?
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Post by: Anaz on September 23, 2005, 11:43:02 pm: One thing that kinda ticked me off is you'd think that they'd have cameras in their brig. You'd think that after the whole "I'm trying to help her" speech to thin air they'd have showed baltar to the nearest airlock.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Bobboau on September 24, 2005, 12:12:01 am: Yeah, I've had thoughts about stuff like that in other eppisodes too, like when {other epp spoiler} he gets the number of cylons in the fleet from boomer
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Bobboau on September 24, 2005, 12:24:14 am: this post if wall to wall spoilers

one thing I am wondering is how has the pegisus survived so long, they have no suport, no suplies, and yet they seem to be in far better condition.

and why is that woman intent on destroying Adama's comand.

this all leads me to beleive that the pegisus and all her crew are in fact cylons. the only thing that makes me question it is the reaction of gias' virtual woman when they found... her in that cell (I knew it was going to be her based on her behavior). just the general evilness of everything from that ship seems for some reason very disturbing, and especaly given the joy and hope in the begining of the eppisode, and as this darkness sets in, slowly at first, it just gets under your skin and by the end of the eppisode you hate them even more than the cylons. they just make you feel sick, because they are human.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Omniscaper on September 24, 2005, 12:50:23 am: I wanna get a reaction from all the people who thought ROSILYN was the uber*****. Now she's freakin Mother Theresa compared to Cain. I'm betting she DID shoot the XO.

Is it me, or did the music score take a whole new direction? I'm iffy about it.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Bobboau on September 24, 2005, 01:01:33 am: are you kidding that music at the end was the fracking zhit, it made me feel like I was nearly going to weep.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: WMCoolmon on September 24, 2005, 01:04:06 am: Oooh, I love the contast between the characters.

Cain is berating Adama for doing whatever the hell he wants. Then she goes ahead and does whatever the hell she wants, rationalizing it by using regulations written by a dead government.

Bobb: I've heard about this number of cylons thing, can you tell me more about it? (Like what the number is? :p) I think I missed it.
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Post by: MatthewPapa on September 24, 2005, 01:07:17 am: NOOOOO!!!11111

WHY SUCH A CLIFFHANGER??!?! WHY!?!?!?

MUST THEY TORTURE US?!?!?!??#!121

AHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: achtung on September 24, 2005, 01:07:47 am: I beleive Cain shot the XO.

I think cain may be a cylon but I don't beleive the entire crew is. Because at the end the entire crew paused before launching the vipers.

New music=cool :yes:
It matched the dreamlike euphoric state of the episode.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: WMCoolmon on September 24, 2005, 01:08:30 am: Quote
(22:30:07) WMCoolmon: i bet BSG will end like this...
(22:30:16) WMCoolmon: Baltar will suddenly wake up to a beeping alarm
(22:30:32) WMCoolmon: and then suddenly his phone will ring
(22:30:36) WMCoolmon: and it'll be his lawyer
(22:30:45) WMCoolmon: and he'll demand where he was, the divorce hearing was today
(22:31:01) WMCoolmon: and baltar will look over and see a picture of six and him getting married
(22:31:29) WMCoolmon: and then it'll fade to black, with words that say "Dr.Baltar was fired from Microsoft the following day."
(22:31:35) WMCoolmon: "He was never heard from again."
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Ace on September 24, 2005, 01:10:22 am: Very interesting.

In some ways I can see Cain's point of view, but quite a few of the things being done on her ship (killing her XO, raping a Cylon... yes its a Cylon but... ugggh...) are very questionable.

On the bright side though, the humans thanks to that guy are now even with the Cylons and the whole "farm" thing on Caprica :p (Am I the only one who got the impression that other pilots were raping her too for fun?)

I'm wondering how everything will pan out. Will Boomer die during childbirth leading to Gaius and Six's adoption of the baby?

Also the Pegasus is one nice ship...
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Post by: Bobboau on September 24, 2005, 01:10:36 am: @WMCoolmon:

8
it was the eppisode were galactica boomer got killed or the one right before it, gias injected the cheif with a something that was going to kill him and he told boomer that if she didn't tell him how many cylons there were left in the fleet he'd let him die and that burried deep in that thing she called a subconsius was the information she needed, and she said 8, there were 8 cylons left in the fleet.

now I missed the mini-serise and the first season, what exactly is the story between gias and the blond chick in his head? is it posable that she IS a figment of his imagineation and the womon on pegisus is the woman he fell for?
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Post by: Bobboau on September 24, 2005, 01:25:10 am: Quote
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
NOOOOO!!!11111

WHY SUCH A CLIFFHANGER??!?! WHY!?!?!?

MUST THEY TORTURE US?!?!?!??#!121

AHHHHHHHHHH

we'll show you the rest of the eppisode when you tell us the position of the cylon fleet!
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Post by: Bobboau on September 24, 2005, 01:38:38 am: @Ace:
I think it was fairly obvius that thorn guy made gang rape of his prisoner a well known public pollicy.
and didn't boomer deliver already? in the eppisode with the reporter?

is there some were that has the origonal BSG music?
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Dough with Fish on September 24, 2005, 02:37:56 am: I liked the music throughout the whole episode.

And, I just re-watched the mini-series (picked up BSG Season 1 on DVD the other day, best purchase I've made in a while) and all those scenes in Baltars head are on Caprica. Six and him are lovers, and she is a Cylon agent. Baltar was the head of defense for the Colonial Navy or whatever, and Six 'helped' him develop a state-of-the-art defense system, and thats how the Cylons knew what to do, because she basically made the damned thing. Now, why he sees her. Again, in the mini series, she tells him that she has a chip planted in his brain and she had her consienceness transferred from that body into his head.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on September 24, 2005, 03:12:07 am: @Bobb: ty, I totally missed that ep where Boomer got killed.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Ace on September 24, 2005, 03:42:57 am: Quote
Originally posted by Dough with Fish
Again, in the mini series, she tells him that she has a chip planted in his brain and she had her consienceness transferred from that body into his head.

However, in Season 2 Doc Cottle does a scan on Baltar and its revealed that there is no chip or other anomalies. (though the Doc now thinks Baltar is a crazy hypochondriac...)

To which her reply is that "she's the angel guiding Baltar to humanity's death" or somesuch nonsense.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: WMCoolmon on September 24, 2005, 03:45:29 am: I'm still thinking that Baltar could be a Cylon.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Hunter on September 24, 2005, 04:51:08 am: I haven't read this thread because I haven't seen the episode yet, but can you please change the title to something else? There are twenty episodes in Season 2, it's not the finale

Just incase people scroll past this:

[size=24]This is NOT the Season 2 Finale![/size]
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Ryx on September 24, 2005, 08:20:02 am: Best ep of Galactica? Possibly.

And the music in the end worked perfectly with Adama's reaction to you-know-what.

Great stuff!
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Post by: redmenace on September 24, 2005, 10:43:04 am: No, the two best are the episode when Adama enter CIC and says " mr Gaiter, I want all recon you have on Kobal in my quarters,

Tye: Kobol

Adama: I am putting the fleet back together, I am putting the family back together.

Second best episode:

The one with the reporter that is a cylon and in the documentary and in the end they have the original theme,
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Post by: SadisticSid on September 24, 2005, 11:52:46 am: I think the reason the Pegasus crew was so lacking in morality is down to the fact they don't have a civilian fleet to protect. Their only function is to destroy Cylons - presumably for revenge against the attacks on the colonies - and so their baser instincts come out more. That lack of higher purpose almost makes them tribal in nature.

On the other hand: amazing ep! SG-1 was bad enough with their cliffhanger and now we get this to get us addicted to Sci-Fi's programmes - it's like crack :p
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Post by: BlackDove on September 24, 2005, 12:46:23 pm: Hmm I like Admiral Caine. Though she strikes me as a bit of a psycho. The fact she killed her XO means that she was afraid of how disobeying orders would look like to the rest of the crew, seeing how she manages most of the morale crap with the kill counts, etc, and that just makes her weak.

Meh. Having everything destroyed will do that to some people.

GO ADAMA!!1111111111oneoneoenoe

Twas a great episode.
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Post by: LtNarol on September 24, 2005, 12:52:44 pm: Worst Episode EVAR.

Lets see ... unrealistic characters, horrible guest stars, entirely black and white plot, and don't get me started on the music. Season 2 has gone for a dive.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: MatthewPapa on September 24, 2005, 01:35:19 pm: I diddnt think it was the best but it certainly wasnt the worst.

They should of made this episode into like 3 episodes. things just kind of moved a little too fast in my opinion. though it was very action packed and entertaining I hope they just diddnt overlook a lot of story elements due to lack of time. Was it just me or did it seem like there were more commercials than usual during this episode?
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Post by: Janos on September 24, 2005, 01:38:08 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Bobboau

and didn't boomer deliver already? in the eppisode with the reporter?

No, it was some kind of complication. Those can really ruin a good date you know. :V
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Post by: BlackDove on September 24, 2005, 01:56:33 pm: Quote
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
I diddnt think it was the best but it certainly wasnt the worst.

They should of made this episode into like 3 episodes. things just kind of moved a little too fast in my opinion. though it was very action packed and entertaining I hope they just diddnt overlook a lot of story elements due to lack of time. Was it just me or did it seem like there were more commercials than usual during this episode?

Why drag it out when it's obvious where it will head? I love BSG for getting to the point instead of hauling it forever like it's some kind of a complex development.
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Post by: Ashrak on September 24, 2005, 02:22:38 pm: by the way ... the pegasus is using Mk5 vipers ..... talk about a complete ****up on the creators side lol
Title: my thoghts
Post by: Getter Robo G on September 24, 2005, 03:11:39 pm: Well it's no surprise I hate where this lead to. Commander (not Admiral) Cain was a god-like tactical genius who had the loyalty of his troops cause he was the best warrior of his age. Instead we now have a total hatchet job turning HER into a totally psychotic, power mad biatch, with no morals what so ever. I love how she initially had Adama's same attitude about the President, but then totally ignores her and does her own thing thereby unvalidating the Colonial government (Um, the people SHE supposedly takes orders from?)

My biggest gripe is that Roslin could have taken a stand right away and asserted herself as CIC. First instance of Cain getting out of line would have been a repeat of the earlier revolt. This time the civillian fleet AND the galactica would be against the "renegades" of the Pegasus.

A better begining would be like this:

Cain "Welcome back to the Colonial Fleet"

Roslin "Actually Admiral, that's MY line." :D

As for the new Cylon ship... I bet Baltar IS a Cylon, that is his command ship. Baltar is the Imperious Leader... Just my guess.

In the Original, a demonic entity (Count Iblis, Satanish, The Devil) was the Imnperious Leader for 1000 years and tricked Baltar into serving the Cylons.) I would be VERY interested in WHO the new Cylon God (or what) turns out to be...

I would like to see the return of the Ship of light and the "angels".
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: ZylonBane on September 24, 2005, 04:01:51 pm: Well, this thread just took a turn for the dumb.
Title: Re: my thoghts
Post by: Janos on September 24, 2005, 04:31:39 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Getter Robo G

My biggest gripe is that Roslin could have taken a stand right away and asserted herself as CIC. First instance of Cain getting out of line would have been a repeat of the earlier revolt. This time the civillian fleet AND the galactica would be against the "renegades" of the Pegasus.

No! Stupid!

Roslin doesn't want to interfere with military bussiness. Even if she did want to (implied in this episode), Adama tries to keep her out of it (shown in this episode).
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Post by: BlackDove on September 24, 2005, 06:00:04 pm: Quote
Originally posted by ZylonBane
Well, this thread just took a turn for the dumb.

:yes:
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Post by: WMCoolmon on September 24, 2005, 07:08:20 pm: Roslin doesn't interfere probably because she figures that if Cain wins, the fleet will be dependant on her for protection.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on September 24, 2005, 07:22:59 pm: (http://i6.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/bb/52/20_3.JPG)
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Post by: Ace on September 24, 2005, 07:40:15 pm: Cool lego Vipers :)
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Post by: aldo_14 on September 24, 2005, 07:52:29 pm: I want one.
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Post by: deep_eyes on September 24, 2005, 08:02:12 pm: One things for sure... all blondes on average except starbuck, are cylons!
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Post by: deep_eyes on September 24, 2005, 08:03:19 pm: Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon
(http://i6.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/bb/52/20_3.JPG)

I WANT ONE TOO!
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Post by: BlackDove on September 24, 2005, 08:37:41 pm: Muri muri.
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Post by: MatthewPapa on September 24, 2005, 10:49:03 pm: Adama is still my favorite character. I love to see him get truely pissed.
(http://www.game-warden.com/files/files/matthewpapa_bsg3.jpg)
(http://www.game-warden.com/files/files/matthewpapa_bsg1.jpg)
(http://www.game-warden.com/files/files/matthewpapa_bsg2.jpg)

and by the way, does anyone here know if olmos has real blue eyes or hes using those fake lenses?
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: WMCoolmon on September 25, 2005, 02:02:28 am: Teach a man to fish... (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001579/)
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: ZylonBane on September 25, 2005, 08:05:00 am: MatthewPapa, I'm laughing at you, not with you.
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Post by: Rictor on September 25, 2005, 11:24:38 am: Just watched it and I can say unreservedly that that was The Shit. But I'm confused about the "mid-season finale" bit? Didn't Season 1 have 15 episodes? How soon will they air new episodes?
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Post by: Martinus on September 25, 2005, 12:44:16 pm: [color=66ff00]The finale thing is entirely the fault of the ever stupid Sci-fi channel. They posted BSG finale and SG:A finale at the bottom of the screen during the episode.

Some of you may remember that I posted a thread a while back in good humour about why the original series was better than the new one. I'm beginning to think that it should not have been a humourous thread as it's obvious that from a storyline, character and writing point of view and ignoring technical progression that the new BSG is by far a superior show.

As for Admiral Cain's behaviour, what I see is a senior officer at threads end that's too strung out to handle her position and feels the need to be unquestioned lest she be undermined. It also makes sense that she should surround herself with those who will follow her out of fear, reliance or blind loyalty.

The story isn't airtight but it is good IMHO.
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Post by: Kosh on September 26, 2005, 01:17:30 am: I just saw that episode last night. It was really disturbing. At the end of it I thought to myself "holy ****". Also the phrase "oh my god" popped into my heard a lot.
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Post by: Col. Fishguts on September 26, 2005, 07:07:47 am: Quote
Originally posted by Kosh
I just saw that episode last night. It was really disturbing. At the end of it I thought to myself "holy ****". Also the phrase "oh my god" popped into my heard a lot.

Ditto :nod:

I also noticed the change in music style and didn't like it very much at first. But the last scene with Adama and Cain speaking over the comm, the camera rotating around them and the musical score ... just whoa, I actually held my breath.
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Post by: ZylonBane on September 26, 2005, 11:04:42 am: I'd really like to know what Adama thinks he's going to do with a Raptor and a handful of Vipers. Even if the Pegasus allows them to dock, they can just hold them in the unpressurized portion of the flight deck.
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Post by: BlackDove on September 26, 2005, 11:26:34 am: I'd like to know what he thinks he's going to do with the Marine Transport, which can clearly be blown by the turret defenses from the Pegasus.

I mean, we get it that they were able to board civillian transports with the marines because the civillian transports can't do anything to stop the dock, but the Pegasus can just train its turrets onto the MT and blow it up easily.

Meh, who gives a crap, we'll see.
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Post by: Janos on September 26, 2005, 11:58:24 am: 1) Roslin steps up and stops everyone
2) mutiny aboard Pegasus
3) Cylons come out of ****ing nowhere! All team up!
4) Deus ex Blackbird Laura
5) lol prank'd Cylon virus Pegasus sux
6) Boomer technobabble
7) Adama-Cain wrestling-style showdown (strangely erotic one)
8) Lee lures the entire ****ing Cylon armada to attack Pegasus

comedy edit option: Adama and flashlight
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Post by: Sandwich on September 26, 2005, 02:43:47 pm: Note: The spelling and grammar in this thread is unspeakably terrible.

Quote
Originally posted by Bobboau
now I missed the mini-serise and the first season...

Uhm, are you nuts? Why the heck are you watching season 2 if you haven't seen 1? It's not some flaky disconnected episodes Star Trek series we're talking about, you know. Go get the DVD!

Quote
Originally posted by Ashrak
by the way ... the pegasus is using Mk5 vipers ..... talk about a complete ****up on the creators side lol

Actually, wise move on their part. If one Battlestar has Mk. II's, and one has Mk. V's, which one are you going to upgrade with Mk. VII's first? :)

WHEN. IS. THE. NEXT. EPISODE??!?!?!?!?!?
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Post by: BlackDove on September 26, 2005, 03:17:25 pm: Good question, I'd like to know when to start scouting myself.
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Post by: ZylonBane on September 26, 2005, 04:19:52 pm: January.

Yes, January.
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Post by: IceFire on September 26, 2005, 04:40:36 pm: Quote
Originally posted by BlackDove
I'd like to know what he thinks he's going to do with the Marine Transport, which can clearly be blown by the turret defenses from the Pegasus.

I mean, we get it that they were able to board civillian transports with the marines because the civillian transports can't do anything to stop the dock, but the Pegasus can just train its turrets onto the MT and blow it up easily.

Meh, who gives a crap, we'll see.

Something that seems to work really well in the BSG universe (the new one anyways) is that electronic counter measures are important and can be used to ones advantage.

I haven't seen the episode yet...so I don't know. But this one has me excited.

What was the musical change BTW? That sounds cool too! They like to mix things up...last season was alot of mid-eastern riffs and some Celtic inspired stuff. Oh and the UK opening/Season 2 theme is Gailic I think.
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Post by: BlackDove on September 26, 2005, 04:44:23 pm: Just download for frack's sake.
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Post by: Getter Robo G on September 26, 2005, 04:58:53 pm: Good point about the parlty force Adama launched:

1.) Cain orders to engage (Thus insuring a civial war as I hinted at earlier - nice).

2.) Deployed units are a ruse, Starbuck secretly docks and fights way into cellblock ala "Star Wars" and frees the Chief and Helo.

3.) Cain gives in, "Sorry Bill, I was just Fracking with you. Sure come on over and get your men." (Highly unlikely)
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Post by: StratComm on September 26, 2005, 06:01:54 pm: Or Starbuck, who's in the blackbird trying to 1-up the Pegasus' recon plan, comes back just before the fighter screens converge on each other with some earth-shattering discovery about the Cylon fleet. And the common-enemy thing sets in.
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Post by: Rictor on September 26, 2005, 06:20:53 pm: I doubt Galatica and Pegasus will start actually fighting, because the writers aren't that stupid. Pegasus would wipe out Galatica, thus ending the series. Or some stupid equalizer will be introduced. In any case, you can't have the humans fighting (well fighting yes, killing no) each other, it goes against the spirit of the show.

One more thing. If I remember correctly, the new Vipers (the sleek grey-blue ones) are susceptible to Cylon electronic attacks, as a whole squad was wiped out in the miniseries. How come they're still in use? Wouldn't they be next to useless?
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Post by: Bobboau on September 26, 2005, 06:22:40 pm: unless there being piloted by cylons...
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Post by: Ace on September 26, 2005, 06:27:05 pm: That's what I'm curious about. You'd think that the Cylons would have transmitted their virus into the shipyard and the Pegasus would have been taken out that way.

Unless the refit included the overhaul to the computer systems that would have led to their using Baltar's software...
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Post by: IceFire on September 26, 2005, 06:33:06 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Rictor
I doubt Galatica and Pegasus will start actually fighting, because the writers aren't that stupid. Pegasus would wipe out Galatica, thus ending the series. Or some stupid equalizer will be introduced. In any case, you can't have the humans fighting (well fighting yes, killing no) each other, it goes against the spirit of the show.

One more thing. If I remember correctly, the new Vipers (the sleek grey-blue ones) are susceptible to Cylon electronic attacks, as a whole squad was wiped out in the miniseries. How come they're still in use? Wouldn't they be next to useless?

Couple of things against that...

One is that Apollo still flies his Mark VIII in some episodes. We haven't seen him fighting the Cylons there but we did see some Mark VII's return to the flight deck during the mini-series after doing battle.

Two is that most of the literature coming out of the shows producers say that the Mark VII's big suscepitibility was in the flight control system. Apparently the Viper Mark VII has a crazy thrust to weight ratio so its insanely manueverable...so to compensate they installed a flight control computer and made it so any pilot could fly the thing. So apparently the Cylon trick goes through the flight control system. Apparently they ripped that out...now its very hard to fly but extremely capable in the right hands.

I want to see more of that type of Viper...they are REALLY cool looking.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on September 26, 2005, 07:48:15 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Rictor
I doubt Galatica and Pegasus will start actually fighting, because the writers aren't that stupid. Pegasus would wipe out Galatica, thus ending the series. Or some stupid equalizer will be introduced. In any case, you can't have the humans fighting (well fighting yes, killing no) each other, it goes against the spirit of the show.

Exactly! No one would expect the main Battleship of 'Battlestar Galactica' to be the 'Battlestar Pegasus'. It's a cunning plot twist, I tell ya. :drevil:
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Post by: Omniscaper on September 26, 2005, 08:53:32 pm: Maybe the ship of lights will arrive to save the day.
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Post by: Sandwich on September 27, 2005, 12:06:21 am: Nahh, Picard'll get 'em to be nice and talk it over.
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Post by: Mefustae on September 27, 2005, 12:21:51 am: A startling revelation! In the next episode, Q shows up...!
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Post by: WMCoolmon on September 27, 2005, 12:40:18 am: Big whoop, he's already been in Stargate. :p
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Post by: karajorma on September 27, 2005, 04:06:01 am: Quote
Originally posted by redmenace
And what is that huge craft they are talking about. Is this related to their idea of the one true God? Is their some other being commanding the cylons?

Isn't obvious? It's the cylons greatest weapon. DVD copies of Galactica '80 :D
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: WMCoolmon on September 27, 2005, 04:28:57 am: Or a giant Space Urchin.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: Sandwich on September 27, 2005, 11:25:44 am: Quote
Originally posted by karajorma

Isn't obvious? It's the cylons greatest weapon. DVD copies of Galactica '80 :D

...ooohh... you just gave me an idea that sends shudders down my spine.

..ok, not really, but it's cool/messed up, all the same:

What if that big unidentified thing is an '80's Cylon Basestar, resurrected as some mothership of some sort? ;7
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: ZylonBane on September 27, 2005, 12:47:41 pm: Considering that the title of the next episode is...
Spoiler:
RESURRECTION SHIP
...I think that gives us a pretty good idea what the mystery ship is.

Since it's a given that the Pegasus is going to be destroyed by the end of the next episode, I'm curious how much of their crew and equipment Galactica will absorb.
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Post by: Col. Fishguts on September 27, 2005, 01:18:52 pm: Maybe not destroyed, but MIA like in the original.

But I'm guessing Cain will go on a suicide mission: Pegasus + Giant Cylon ship = KA-BOOOM
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Post by: MatthewPapa on September 27, 2005, 01:23:51 pm: Hopefully galactica will get its hands on a few of those viper mk7s
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Post by: Fractux on September 27, 2005, 01:46:19 pm: I don't know, I see the plot going a few ways:

1 - The viper pilots just aren't willing to fight eachother. The She devil looses her foothold on power, goes bezerk, and then Adama Takes control. <- BSG writers seem to think too much to make this situation 'overly simple' as this proression would make it.

2 - She's testing Adama to see how far he will go. The story was maybe planted about her being whacko to get Adama worked up, and to get him to realize that she demands total control. She feels that Adama is the type of man who would go head to head with her, and she knows that Helo and Cheif had a relationship with Sharon from the logs.
She thinks she's got to get the weels turning, and she's pushing his buttons to make him take that step. Then she's going to pull something like offering him a fight, or releiving his command and taking his men back. She seems to want the control and authority, and maybe she's an expert at bending him.
I don't think she's a cylon, that would just ruin it. She has to be human.

3 - The cylons are god damn geniuses, and they let the Pegasus survive because they know She's wacked and that her and Adama will jump at eachother's throats. Then, when they are busy fighting eacheother, in comes the damn base ships and rips em one. The pegasus goes down in flames valiantly.. yada yada ... <- This would suck though. Too easy of a plot.

Anyways, my 3 cents. :)
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Post by: ZylonBane on September 27, 2005, 02:59:32 pm: 4 - The President intervenes. If necessary, physically, by ordering Colonial One directly into the fray.
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Post by: Sandwich on September 27, 2005, 03:01:57 pm: Unfortunately, I, uhm... ran across a certain site that reveals some of the events to take place in the next episode. I'm not even gonna tell you what site - unless you ask by PM or something - since I'm regretting the fact that I know how the situation will be resolved. :(

However, suffice it to say, RDM has a nice solution in hand. Supposedly. ;)
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Post by: Jetmech Jr. on September 27, 2005, 04:01:33 pm: RDM?
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Post by: Col. Fishguts on September 27, 2005, 04:19:33 pm: RDM (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0601822/)
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Post by: redmenace on September 27, 2005, 04:36:02 pm: If you all only knew what happens next :nod:
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Post by: IceFire on September 27, 2005, 04:59:47 pm: I had read some time ago that the involvement of the Pegasus would not just be a two episode special like in the original...

Chew on that a bit :)
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: redmenace on September 27, 2005, 05:24:49 pm: In the original cain survived. and took out 2 base stars by exposing sides of the pegasus to the basestars and firing every missle they had. I wonder how this will end up.
Title: BSG Season 2 finale....
Post by: ZylonBane on September 27, 2005, 06:38:01 pm: Hopefully with Admiral Ro Laren dead. She's too much of a psychotic ***** to live.
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Post by: Black Wolf on September 27, 2005, 10:55:00 pm: For some reason I'm getting the impression that the big middle ship is holding a whole crapload of Biocylons, possibly the ship on which we saw Xena, Six and Boomer watching the doco thing on the other week (assuming, of course, that they were on a ship).

As for the resolutions, well, consider all the pieces in play:

- Starbuck is flying around in the Blackbird taking photos of the Cylon ship.

- The president of the colonies is sitting on the Galactica.

- It's a TV show, and I doubt RDM would be willing to kill off two key characters in a situation like this.

My suspicion - The Viper pilots will refuse to engage each other long enough for Starbuck to come back with the Blackbird and wa whole bunch of pictures demonstrating some huge threat from the new ship. Roslyn steps in to calm the situation between Galactica and Pegasus until they deal with the new threat. Admiral Caine dies somehow during the battle with the Cylon fleet, leaving Adama the superior military officer, so he takes back his crew members and the Pegasus joins the fleet (for a few episodes at least).

Oh, and TBH I doubt the new ship will be an old style basestar - they simply do not fit into the new Cylon design ethos, whether it be explained away as an old style ship or not.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on September 27, 2005, 11:01:32 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Black Wolf
...Admiral Caine dies somehow during the battle with the Cylon fleet...

Spontaneous heart attack when she realizes that Adama gave a nuclear weapon to the Vice President, who also happens to be talking to an (as far as anyone can tell) imaginary Cylon friend?
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Post by: Ace on September 27, 2005, 11:53:32 pm: I'm betting that the ship might be a sort of biological foundry where basestars, raiders, and humanoid Cylons are constructed. Maybe even an encounter with some "dead" Cylon models?
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Post by: Kosh on September 28, 2005, 04:53:21 am: Quote
Originally posted by Ace
I'm betting that the ship might be a sort of biological foundry where basestars, raiders, and humanoid Cylons are constructed. Maybe even an encounter with some "dead" Cylon models?

That does make sense considering the new Cylon stuff is organically controlled. The organic stuff needs a place to grow.

Personally I think that the Pegasus looks like Galactica on steroids. Galactica by far looks better.
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Post by: Sandwich on September 28, 2005, 06:11:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Black Wolf
For some reason I'm getting the impression that the big middle ship is holding a whole crapload of Biocylons, possibly the ship on which we saw Xena, Six and Boomer watching the doco thing on the other week (assuming, of course, that they were on a ship).

Rewatch that episode then; it is clearly sated that they are watching that film at the end in a movie theater on Cylon-occupied Caprica.
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Post by: Sapphire on September 29, 2005, 03:50:48 pm: [x
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Post by: Sandwich on September 29, 2005, 04:14:55 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Sapphire

I resemble that remark :wtf: :p :D

:wtf: Are you my long-lost sister??? I thought only my family used that phrase!
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Post by: Sapphire on September 29, 2005, 04:20:51 pm: :confused:
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Post by: Sandwich on September 29, 2005, 04:28:28 pm: I'm not sure, am I?
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Post by: Sapphire on September 29, 2005, 04:38:28 pm: :drevil:
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Post by: Ace on September 29, 2005, 06:01:25 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich

:wtf: Are you my long-lost sister??? I thought only my family used that phrase!

Mine does too. I hereby declare you the bastard divergant lineage :p
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Post by: Sandwich on September 30, 2005, 05:12:46 am: Quote
Originally posted by Sapphire
Do you have the family birthmark? You know, the one that looks like pikachu playing checkers with predator?

Drat! No, mine's merely a Teletubby playing Connect Four with a Velociraptor! :hopping:

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Originally posted by Ace

Mine does too. I hereby declare you the bastard divergant lineage :p

Linguistically speaking, of course. :p