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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: NeoHunter on August 22, 2001, 10:20:00 am
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Yes. I'm really thinking of doing that. "How?" You may ask. Simple. Let me tell you all.
I just learnt (with some help from the people here) how to extract and convert FreeSpace 2 models into other 3D formats. Well, since I know how, I thought that since I got so much time on my hands, why not I extract out all the FreeSpace 2 models and convert them into 3D Studio Max format with their textures on? I also plan to put them up on my web site for people to download.
So now, anybody with 3D Studio Max R3 can do a FreeSpace render or art themselves and not restricted to those with TrueSpace 4?
I thought I should do something for the community I think. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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...or someone should make Lightwave versions that work so I could get to doing some suparl33t renders (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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What's the extension for Lightwave files?
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(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/icons/icon4.gif) I want a better title!!!
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.lwo, obviously.
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I didn't know that. But now I do. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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that would be neat neohunter (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Yes, yes, yes.
*Kisses Neohunter*
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What? No one here has 3d Exploration? Hm...
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Of course, but that does a crappy job at converting to LWO.
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I don't have Truespace or 3dExploration. And I am too bored and don't have a good enough connection to download them.
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dun do a brilliant job of converting to .MAX either, but then again they're both fairly complex file formats.
stick with .3DS or something, since the newer formats contain loads of junk like IK etc. which you wont need.
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3DE works fine for converting to LWO for me... lovely hehehe... I've got a folder of about 40 models in LWO format(FS2 ones)
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Hey DC, can't you upload them somewhere so we can download them?
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Originally posted by NeoHunter:
why not I extract out all the FreeSpace 2 models and convert them into 3D Studio Max format with their textures on?
Because they're already done and awaiting finalising for the HLP Ship Viewer, trust me... we're covering all the important model formats with this. Although if you want to we're not going to stop you (of course (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)) but just so you know it's already been done.
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Originally posted by Thunder:
Originally posted by NeoHunter:
why not I extract out all the FreeSpace 2 models and convert them into 3D Studio Max format with their textures on?
Because they're already done and awaiting finalising for the HLP Ship Viewer, trust me... we're covering all the important model formats with this. Although if you want to we're not going to stop you (of course (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)) but just so you know it's already been done.
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Yeah, but that's something you tell us for some months now (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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I know how you feel (kinda), the whole thing is awaiting a couple of things that need to be done, then it's a relativly short haul till it's all done.
At this point I'm working on FS Story to the exclusion of all else, after that comes the ship viewer (that others are already working on). So I'll make sure it's done, and soon.
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Hmm where should I upload it? hehe...
They are all for 6.5 and I'll need to edit the "classified" mods out (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Thunder:
Because they're already done and awaiting finalising for the HLP Ship Viewer, trust me... we're covering all the important model formats with this. Although if you want to we're not going to stop you (of course (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)) but just so you know it's already been done.
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I see. So, when will it be ready then? I'm sure there's lots of people out there who really want to render something out to show the community.
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NeoHunter< [b][email protected][/b] >
Not to mention a FREDder! :)
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Originally posted by Thunder:
the whole thing is awaiting a couple of things that need to be done, then it's a relativly short haul till it's all done.
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
I can't give you an exact time, thats just unreasonable - I don't know what the other people working on this have done so far (exactly) so I can't give you any more information than I already have.
And I'm sure there are lots of people who want to render stuff, thats why we're doing them in COB, LW, 3DS and (possibly) a couple of other formats.
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Originally posted by Thunder:
the HLP Ship Viewer
heh... i give you my blessings for bringing my idea to life (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber:
heh... i give you my blessings for bringing my idea to life (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Your idea?!
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GTD Excellence ("http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/excellence") Webmaster
NeoHunter< [b][email protected][/b] >
Not to mention a FREDder! :)
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber:
heh... i give you my blessings for bringing my idea to life (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Sorry to break this to you dude, but we've had this idea a while longer than you have (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Finally! I have 3DS Max, but not truespace, and I want to do some model editing.
This would be a great help...
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We're working on it. Believe me, over the last few days we've proceeded at a rather rapid rate and hope to have at least a couple of new sections up and running very soon.
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Anyway, I already have a the following in 3D Studio Max R3 format.
GTF Ares
GTB Artemis D.H
Those who want these can email me.
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I know this is going to sound wrong, but I feel I have to say it anyway, we've been working hard on this for some time now and without and disrespect for you - it's kinda dis-heartening to have someone come along and do something exactly the same as what we've been working on. I know your trying to help the community but it's making what work we do seem to count for less, especially if people just say "oh wow, thats already been done". I hope you understand out point of view on this...
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Originally posted by Thunder:
I know this is going to sound wrong, but I feel I have to say it anyway, we've been working hard on this for some time now and without and disrespect for you - it's kinda dis-heartening to have someone come along and do something exactly the same as what we've been working on. I know your trying to help the community but it's making what work we do seem to count for less, especially if people just say "oh wow, thats already been done". I hope you understand out point of view on this...
This seems to be happening a lot to us lately, huh... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
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... that's just two ships, or one file format (lwo). Just look at it as a free preview, dudes (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Sure, we just don't want to waste out time should he decide to do all the ships in the game, which would effectively make all our hard work count for nothing.
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Originally posted by venom2506:
Just look at it as a free preview, dudes (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Always helps to have someone to lighten the mood (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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No offence to the HLP guys, I know you work hard on things but this conversion project was announced a long time ago. And it seems like little things have happend with this project (atleast you haven't told us much about it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)), only lately and with this thread people have got some updates.
And you gotta see that this is hardly a unique idea. Kazan has released all the FS ship in .COB format. Reaperman (i think it was him atleast) has converted some FS ships and they are available for download on a 3d site.
Still I hope to see the models released, it would be a great for all who want to do FS renders.
Pez
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I understand where your coming from, but we've been working on various things for some time now (simultaniously) and had hoped to release them as they were completed as a suprise. Little information was given out for that reason - we wanted to say "hey look, all this stuff is here now!" when it's done, but "and I've added another ship to the database today" every time that happened. Unfortunately (through no deliberate action of anyone else) we had to show our hand now or watch all the work we put into everything go forgotten as people said "nice, you copied this off NeoHunter (or whoever)".
As for the "unique" thing... AFAIK the truth is we've been planning the ship database pretty much since Setekh and I got heavily into rendering, as we both said "hey, we're doing this database, it'll take time but why not convert the models?". Since then various other people have converted various other things and put them up for download.
As the project(s) near completion we're increasingly anxious that people don't waste their efforts by doing something thats already done (or by making it seem like our work was inspired by something else).
I'll talk about the situation with the staff and see how things are going, but believe me the scale of what we have to do just now is quiet massive, and as I've said so many times - I don't want to have our work ignored by design or accident.
God, it sounds really selfish looking back at it - but how would you feel if a project you'd been working on for months was suddenly forgotten because a couple of people did something (by accident) that was the major part of that project. You'd be upset right? we'll so it is with us, I'm trying to be fair enough it but we frankly don't want to have wasted our efforts.
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I understand your point. to have things made easier, maybe you should do it in 3 parts: first release: shivan ships (coz everybody will probably use them), then GTA and vasudans. 3 parts, easier work (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Hmm, thats not a bad idea you know... thanks for that (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
I'm not sure what set I'll start with, we'll see how it goes.
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Originally posted by Thunder:
I understand where your coming from, but we've been working on various things for some time now (simultaniously) and had hoped to release them as they were completed as a suprise. Little information was given out for that reason - we wanted to say "hey look, all this stuff is here now!" when it's done, but "and I've added another ship to the database today" every time that happened. Unfortunately (through no deliberate action of anyone else) we had to show our hand now or watch all the work we put into everything go forgotten as people said "nice, you copied this off NeoHunter (or whoever)".
As for the "unique" thing... AFAIK the truth is we've been planning the ship database pretty much since Setekh and I got heavily into rendering, as we both said "hey, we're doing this database, it'll take time but why not convert the models?". Since then various other people have converted various other things and put them up for download.
As the project(s) near completion we're increasingly anxious that people don't waste their efforts by doing something thats already done (or by making it seem like our work was inspired by something else).
I'll talk about the situation with the staff and see how things are going, but believe me the scale of what we have to do just now is quiet massive, and as I've said so many times - I don't want to have our work ignored by design or accident.
God, it sounds really selfish looking back at it - but how would you feel if a project you'd been working on for months was suddenly forgotten because a couple of people did something (by accident) that was the major part of that project. You'd be upset right? we'll so it is with us, I'm trying to be fair enough it but we frankly don't want to have wasted our efforts.
I completly agree with you. But I didn't know about the ship database. I thought that you would only release the models. And converting the files should take 1-2 weeks. That's why I found it a little weird that you guys hadn't released them.
Pez
[This message has been edited by Pez (edited 08-26-2001).]
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Ah, no (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
As the cat is (so to speak) out of the bag, we're working on the most complete ship viewer ever. Featuring all kinds of useful information along with images and the models of the ship in COB, 3DS and LW.
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Okay. I think I shouldn't offer the models for download first. So, Thunder, do you need a GTF Ares and a GTB Artemis D.H 3D Studio Max R3 model? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) I could send them to you. You know, sort of like a small, small contribution.
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Hmm... I have an idea that may end up being benificial to everyone. Watch this space (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Thunder:
Hmm... I have an idea that may end up being benificial to everyone. Watch this space (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Someone help me. I think my eyeballs are stucked to the screen!!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Sighs I guess I'll tell you and run it by Setekh when he comes on tomorrow.
How about you convert all the ships to 3DS so that their working etc? We could then substitute the few we've done (of that type) with all of yours thus saving us the workload. Credit would be given to you for creation of those files on the front of the ship viewer (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Sure. But to be on the safe side, I'll send you the two models I have now so that you can test them to see if they work on your side. Sometimes, its like that. Trust me. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Check your email soon.
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