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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sandwich on October 06, 2005, 05:05:39 am
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Gotta love Sony: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05100301sonydscn1.asp
(http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/Sony/dscn1frontback-001.jpg)
It's a camera with a 3" wide-viewing-angle touch-screen LCD, that also acts as a photo album for 500 pictures. :)
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I still kind of like viewfinders, they're handy for bright-light conditions.
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Now that's the kind of display I've been waiting for.
Oh, and this caught my eye:
[q]Sony also mentioned that this is the first camera to feature 'Clear RAW NR' which hints that noise reduction is carried out on the RAW data before it is converted to JPEG.[/q]
Nifty. I however would like to see a shift away from JPEG in new cameras since the memory cards we use now mean we can use lossless compression methods more often without fear of running out of memory.
I also wouldn't object if they started supporting MPEG2 or 4 more often in these cameras video capture features.
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or better yet if they allowed suport for other codecs (divx)
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Silly Bobboau. Xvid > DivX.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
or better yet if they allowed suport for other codecs (divx)
Doesn't that fall under MPEG4? :p
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
Silly Bobboau. Xvid > DivX.
:nod:
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Originally posted by vyper
Doesn't that fall under MPEG4? :p
it should.
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Get that bloody LCD off the back of my camera, or at least have the decency to hide it and let me have a proper viewfinder.
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I definitely dont think it would be very durable :doubt:
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Originally posted by mikhael
Get that bloody LCD off the back of my camera, or at least have the decency to hide it and let me have a proper viewfinder.
Okay (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscr1/).
(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/SonyDSCR1/Images/specsview-001.jpg)
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I still use 35mm film.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Okay (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscr1/).
(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/SonyDSCR1/Images/specsview-001.jpg)
;7
That totally beats my usual picture-taking appartus.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Okay (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscr1/).
(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/SonyDSCR1/Images/specsview-001.jpg)
It certainly meets my bill on the wole hidden screen thing. It still suffers from non-swappable lenses (35mm cameras MUST use a standard modular lens assembly, else they're not worth buying) and it suffers from the most abhorrent sin of all.
Its a Sony, with all the craptacular baggage that brings. (which is a shame, becuase they really do design a nice package).
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How about this?
(http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond70/Images/allroundview-001.jpg) (http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2&productNr=25214)
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The D70 has long been the object of my lust.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Its a Sony, with all the craptacular baggage that brings. (which is a shame, becuase they really do design a nice package).
Mind clarifying that statement with some particulars?
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
I still use 35mm film.
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Yup, me too. My family still hasn't advanced to the digital age yet. And, even if they had, we'd just have a bunch of image files gathering virtual dust in a folder on a hard drive instead of a bunch of undeveloped rolls of film gathering dust in a drawer. :p
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Originally posted by mikhael
The D70 has long been the object of my lust.
Amen.
(Actually my eyes are set on the more affordable D50, as the D70 is out of production and the D70s costs a lot more).
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Originally posted by Mongoose
Yup, me too. My family still hasn't advanced to the digital age yet. And, even if they had, we'd just have a bunch of image files gathering virtual dust in a folder on a hard drive instead of a bunch of undeveloped rolls of film gathering dust in a drawer. :p
My friends used a lot fof 35 on holiday this year and it's been an absolute swine for digital compilation. If you ever want to actually produce anything like a virtual album, interactive DVD-ROM (such as what I'm doing for the holiday) then go digital now. You will thank me during image processing.
The D70 is a lovely machine.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Mind clarifying that statement with some particulars?
Two huge, immense, gigantic ones come to mind. One is surmountable, the other is not.
Sony's mindbogglingly bad technical support (demonstrated thoroughly every time I have to order replacement parts for clients on the breakage prone VAIO laptop line). They can fix. They used to have good technical and customer support.
The Sony lock-in. They can't fix this because it goes against the core principles of the Sony Consumer Electronics division. MagicGate/Sony Memory Stick is incompatible with any non-Sony camera, laptop, etc. SD, CF and microdrives are used on many different devices, including most PDAs, laptops and desktop computers. This is the same reason I don't touch anything that uses XD.
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I want to get a Minolta 7D, if I can ever afford it...
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091504km7d.asp
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Originally posted by mikhael
Two huge, immense, gigantic ones come to mind. One is surmountable, the other is not.
Sony's mindbogglingly bad technical support (demonstrated thoroughly every time I have to order replacement parts for clients on the breakage prone VAIO laptop line). They can fix. They used to have good technical and customer support.
The Sony lock-in. They can't fix this because it goes against the core principles of the Sony Consumer Electronics division. MagicGate/Sony Memory Stick is incompatible with any non-Sony camera, laptop, etc. SD, CF and microdrives are used on many different devices, including most PDAs, laptops and desktop computers. This is the same reason I don't touch anything that uses XD.
Tech support - or lack thereof - I grant you. But Sony, in their more recent line of prosumer and professional cameras, has included CF (sometimes just type 1 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sony/sony_dscv3.asp), other (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sony/sony_dscf828.asp) times (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sony/sony_dscr1.asp) both type 1 & 2) slots in addition to the Memory Schtick.
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Gotta have both, Mike. And I shouldn't have to go to the prosumer lines to get to standardized, non-Sony interfaces.
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In my opinion they (Digital Camera companies such as Sony, Canon, Nikon and Minolta) should force everyone into just one single form of data storage before it's too late. The division only causes problems for compatability and as time goes by this problem is only going to get harder to steer out of as more people put their money into one storage medium or another.
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Good luck with that.
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Compact Flash FTW.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
In my opinion they (Digital Camera companies such as Sony, Canon, Nikon and Minolta) should force everyone into just one single form of data storage before it's too late. The division only causes problems for compatability and as time goes by this problem is only going to get harder to steer out of as more people put their money into one storage medium or another.
Won't happen. To quote the yellow book, "Standards are great. There are so many to choose from." There's no real problem with compatibility because the formats exist--for most people--to get the data from a portable device to a PC. The only compatibility problem is when my PDA can't use the same memory device as my camera and that's only a problem for me, not the maker of my camera or my PDA. Sony builds its entire consumer electronics strategy around exactly that sort of lock in. That's why everything from the Vaio laptop to Sony's DV cameras to Sony's digital snapshot cameras to their MP3 players uses Memory Stick/Magic Gate instead of one of the more universally accepted formats. Even so, media readers are painfully cheap: you can get an 10-in-1 reader that covers pretty much every format for under $25.
Even considering all that, I still won't buy a device that is built around the idea of lock in.
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Ach the LCD screen on the first post of this topic looks fantastic. Only thing is that if one starts to use such a camera I wonder how many thumb-marks will that screen contain after a while :p
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There's a tipping point reached when the size of any given device is no longer limited by the technology, but by the human interface. In this example, cameras used to be built around the lens and the roll of film. With current technology, I think we're at the point where such elements (lens and sensor in digicams) are no longer the deciding factor in the size of the camera - the screen and buttons are. Until those are made to be collapsible somehow, I don't see cameras getting any smaller.
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Or at least until we get holographics cameras that project little 3D images of what it is about to photograph ;)
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Eventually, it'll get to the point where it will project a glowing border on the objects themselves in the photo. :p