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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: [DW]-Hunter on October 13, 2005, 10:47:33 am
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Sorry for the inconvenience, i will have the mirror up as soon as posible.
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Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is Freespace Zone?
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The place with the download of all 3 FS2 disks. :)
And some other stuff as well no doubt :)
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Ah, well since I have never had to download FS2, I wouldn't have known. :)
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if i could get my mirror to work again ill add Descent Freespace and Descent Freespace : Silent Threat
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sweet..
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Hunter, you cannot legally host Freespace or ST - their source codes have not been released, and they are not abandonware, sorry.
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so sue me LOL
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jk...
... volition is giving me problems about my freespacezone site, heres what they said in the email
My name is Mark Allender, Studio Technical Director for Volition. We
recently ran across
www.freespacezone.com
While we appreciate the attention and praise for FreeSpace 2, I do not
believe that it is legal to distribute the CD images of the 3 CD's for the
game. It is my belief that the EULA for FreeSpace 2 prohibits distribution
of the binary data that accompanies the game. We have only released the
source code. In fact, not all of the source code was released -- certain
sections of the code were omitted.
I would respectfully ask that you remove the ISO images from your site. If
you have any further questions or comments, please feel free to contact me.
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I told them that I only wish to distribute the game, no source code included, I also asked for the contact information of EULA so I can try to make this "legal" threw volition
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That's a first. Might be a new staff member? Anyway, the EULA does actually state that you are allowed to create free copies of Freespace 2 and give them to friends, as long as you do it for free.
Also, if you do host FS1, I won't sue you, but there's a chance someone else will.
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lol, well i probably will only host the FS1ST torrent in that case.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Hunter, you cannot legally host Freespace or ST - their source codes have not been released, and they are not abandonware, sorry.
I've told you enough times. He can't legally host FS2 either. I guess this point has finally been proved now. :rolleyes:
Hunter. Good luck trying to get :v: to allow you to legally distribute the game. And Kudos to :v: for not simply sending the typical cease and desist letter that most companies would have.
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well if i cant host the ISO's legally threw EULA, i will just host the torrents. Chances are I will probably leave the Files on the server, just take the links off.
And im probably gunna need the luck
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Originally posted by [DW]-Hunter
well if i cant host the ISO's legally threw EULA, i will just host the torrents. Chances are I will probably leave the Files on the server, just take the links off.
And im probably gunna need the luck
Bad idea. If you do this, don't announce it publicly and for the love of :v: CHANGE THE FILENAMES.
One would wonder why the hell :v: simply doesn't buy the rights back from Interplay. The way Interplay's going, :v: can afford 5k for the rights, and Interplay will be happy to get an extra 5k, amirite?
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Good work Hunter. Spread the happiness.
Legally if you can. Else it might cause you sadness. Which would make me sad.
Annorax: There's alot to be said for whatever parental or creative feelings :V: (can't remember how to do that, that is unless it turns out ok after I post) might have for the FS series but they've got to be realists too. Like alot of people have been saying, space shooters are pretty much dead, at least at the minute, and it could be suicidal releasing such a game. Or at the very least an almost guaranteed failure.
Plus would THQ be willing to advertise it anymore than Interplay?
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Perhpas :v: (it's a lower case v) & THQ would at least distribute the game, even if they don't advertise it. At the moment you can't even buy it other than on eBay.
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Hunter, please PM me this voilition guys email.
Well atleast V is takeing interest in this. Hopefully it will turn out good.
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Originally posted by Charismatic
Hunter, please PM me this voilition guys email.
Well atleast V is takeing interest in this. Hopefully it will turn out good.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
*gasps for breath*
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Isn't this the same guy you said was hacking your pc and who you wanted revenge on?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Oh, and good luck 'seeking assley'
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Originally posted by Charismatic
Hunter, please PM me this voilition guys email.
Well atleast V is takeing interest in this. Hopefully it will turn out good.
First of all, if you're planning to email Allender, it's a stupid idea. he's not going to change his mind.
Second, you, sir, are just plain retarded. Turn out good? Come on, man. They're threatening to sue him (note, i said sue, not compliment him) about this. They DON'T like it. I dunno where you got this idea, but it's a half-assed idea. :p
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Well in reality I think it would be Interplay that got to sue, not Volition, unless the license has already changed hands. :v: gets no say over distribution, unfortunately. That's probably why it wasn't a cease and desist, too.
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Well if we have to wait for Interplay to file a cease and desist there won't be much of a problem then. They're too busy desperately trying to keep the company alive to bother with stuff that won't make them any money.
That said I wouldn't want to see [V] getting pissed off with the community.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
That's a first. Might be a new staff member? Anyway, the EULA does actually state that you are allowed to create free copies of Freespace 2 and give them to friends, as long as you do it for free.
Also, if you do host FS1, I won't sue you, but there's a chance someone else will.
Mark Allender (http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,5415/) was the Lead Programmer for Summoner.
I think the legal definition of friends, as within the EULA, doesn't extend to the general public.
EDIT; Although the 'legal stuff' part of the readme is a little fuzzy, so I'd just ask for clarification. At the very least it'd cover your arse, although i'm pretty sure the licence gives no right to distributed (cannot 'distribute' or 'copy' comes seperately from the stuff relating to commercial use).
[q]
General Product License. This copy of FreeSpace 2 (the "Software") is
intended solely for your personal non-commercial home entertainment use.
You may not decompile, reverse engineer, or disassemble the Software,
except as permitted by law. Interplay Entertainment Corp. and its
licensors retain all right, title and interest in the Software including
all intellectual property rights embodied therein and derivatives thereof.
The Software, including, without limitation, all code, data structures,
characters, images, sounds, text, screens, game play, derivative works and
all other elements of the Software may not be copied, resold, rented,
leased, distributed (electronically or otherwise), used on a pay-per-play,
coin-op or other for-charge basis, or for any commercial purpose. Any
permissions granted herein are provided on a temporary basis and can be
withdrawn by Interplay Productions at any time. All rights not expressly
granted are reserved.[/q]
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Originally posted by Cobra
First of all, if you're planning to email Allender, it's a stupid idea. he's not going to change his mind.
Second, you, sir, are just plain retarded. Turn out good? Come on, man. They're threatening to sue him (note, i said sue, not compliment him) about this. They DON'T like it. I dunno where you got this idea, but it's a half-assed idea. :p
First, yes its the same guy. Asking for a email is not changing our relations.
Second, no its not. And i would not even comment about the freespacezone site.
Third, yeah it could. If the EULA gives Hunter the ok, then it would be legal and thus more eyes on FS2.. so no it snot a half assed idea, and STFU coby.
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Children, children. Take the pissing contest outdoors, please, and stop putting stains on the walls.
I'm not taking sides, but I think I agree that the EULA gives someone permission to copy FS2 for individual friends, not a group that spans the globe.
Now, both of you behave.
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i dont know how u call freespacezone a commercial website lol, it dont charge, and it just distributes to those who are told about it, there is no advertisments to freespacezone. Interplay probably wont even bother with my site, so im probably just gunna leave it running until i get a message from one of them to take it off. and when this happens, im going to just give torrents on the site. I will not let this game die!
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Dumb noobs bother me...
And Hunter, believe it or not, this game won't die without you. We have somehow managed this far without you, and I doubt very much that we won't continue long after you've left.
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Indeed. You're not the only person to have (or have had) a copy of FS2 up for download. HotU, Game Warden, and numerous others have copies of FS2 up, and it's unlikely that things will go down if Freespacezone gets busted.
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seconded. :)
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
And Hunter, believe it or not, this game won't die without you. We have somehow managed this far without you, and I doubt very much that we won't continue long after you've left.
Originally posted by nuclear1
Indeed. You're not the only person to have (or have had) a copy of FS2 up for download. HotU, Game Warden, and numerous others have copies of FS2 up, and it's unlikely that things will go down if Freespacezone gets busted.
Damn you bunch can be unappreciative at times. DW-Hunter says he's making a stand to keep the game up for download so that people who want to play can get it and this is the attitude he gets?
Sure he's not the only site but he is one of them. If they've found freespacezone then it's not going to be that hard to find the others. Hell register here under assumed name and I'd fight with each each other to be the first one to name them all :)
@Hunter Good on you for taking the risk. Just be polite if :v: have anything to say on the matter themselves though. I don't give a damn what Interplay say but I'd rather keep :v: happy with the community. Unlike Interplay we do owe them. They did go to the effort of giving us the source code and who knows, if they ever stumble across their high poly models in a dusty cupboard somewhere they might be nice enough to give some of them out too.
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I agree with Kara here, it's your choice whether to host it or not, and it's kind of you to offer, but be aware of the contents of that Email when you do. You might do better putting it passworded and asking people to Email/PM you if they want access, that way you are, to a certain degree, attempting to remain within the constraints placed in the EULA. I think that would be considered as at least a nod in the direction of both companies?
As for the rest, I haven't had to lock a thread here yet, and I don't want to have to, partly because that would mean I would have to figure out how, so knock it off :p
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I'll second the request of being very cordial with :v:. I think I can safely say that everyone here has a good deal of respect for them, and we don't want something to turn them against us when they've been so generous to the community in the past. That password protection might be something to suggest. If worst comes to worst, taking it down isn't the end of the world; the HOTU version is still up, and all of the files necessary to upgrade it to the retail version are floating around.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Damn you bunch can be unappreciative at times. DW-Hunter says he's making a stand to keep the game up for download so that people who want to play can get it and this is the attitude he gets?
Good point. Sorry, Hunter, don't know what happened to me there--keep it up, and hopefully this will turn out well for FSZone. :)
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I'm not against what he's doing, nor unnappreciative - in fact, I applaud it. It's just the general attitude that he's displayed that I'm snippy about.
Nevertheless, best of luck Hunter :)
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I apologize for nothing.
But then, All I did was laugh at Ephili... >..>;
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And that's all that matters. :)
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I relize that my site isnt the only one, but, i do get A LOT of hits, even when its not working. Passwording might be a good idea and I do understand your position on volition, staying on their good side, im only trying to get the game to people that want it, im working on getting a server with unlimited bandwidth, so we wont have that problem, but i will work on getting it passworded, or posibly making it only availble through FTP. I appreciate your appologies and I hope this doesnt turn into a bad conflict between interplay and volition.
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Why dont they just spill the beans about their plans for the series. As many have said, its a dying or dead gener, but i think it would hit off big. Being as good as the series was, and its good rep., i think it would make it quite well. Interplay, sell the FS rights already!
EDIT: I will stay loyal to FS2 forever. Il be the last one to ever fly, if worst comes to worst, even if everyone else stops flying eventually. I will be the last and final pilot.
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Originally posted by Charismatic
Why dont they just spill the beans about their plans for the series. As many have said, its a dying or dead gener, but i think it would hit off big. Being as good as the series was, and its good rep., i think it would make it quite well. Interplay, sell the FS rights already!
Because our plans of what do with the series tends to spark more creativity than a set plan by the developers. Honestly, if the community was aware of :v:'s plans, then I see some projects conforming to the storyline, rather than showing the kind of diversity in creativity that we've had so far.
The problem with having too much information is that it tends to limit what we can do with the series. Too much canon restricts what people think of after Capella; just look at what we have so far: we've got the return of a Shivan Lucifer (Derelict), the opening of Sol to an unfriendly armada (Inferno), and countless other stories of how the community thinks things go post-Capella.
If :v: wants to release their plans, they can go ahead, since it is their right to. I just don't want to feel limited in any way on how campaigns can tell their own differing post-Capella stories.
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I don't really see how :v: releasing what would have happened in a FS3 would necessarily limit modders in any way. What the FREDders and modders have been able to accomplish regarding post-Capella campaigns is based on their own interpretations of what would have happened after the events of FS2. The release of what would have been FS3 doesn't change that fact. I wasn't around in this community during the FS1 days, but I'd imagine that there were a fair share of campaigns describing what happened FS1. When FS2 arrived, did those campaigns somehow lose their worth or meaning if they were radically different from FS2? If they did, I don't think they should have; they were examples of people's own creativity at work without any extra information. In my mind, the release of data about FS3 would have the same impact; it wouldn't prevent people from continuing of what they saw as the FS series' future, nor would it make their campaigns any less meaningful. Depending on how creative the released information was, it could also give some new ammo for future campaigns.
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If :V: released their plans, we'd probably end up with numberous disagreements over the execution of the campaign, and it'd end up never getting finished.
That's being pessimistic though.
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Originally posted by Mongoose
I don't really see how :v: releasing what would have happened in a FS3 would necessarily limit modders in any way.
Ask yourself how many post FS1 era campaigns have been released that ignore FS2's plot since FS2 came out?
It wouldn't devalue what already exists but it would limit most people as they would probably choose to follow on from the official :v: story instead of doing their own thing after the end of FS2.
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It'd **** me right over, that's for sure. The only reason people would want to see the FS3 storyline, IMO, is because they either have no idea of their own, or because they - for some reason - think it'll 'vindicate' the storyline they've worked on.
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Personally I don't want to see how it ends. There's always something for leaving any possibility open. Closure sucks because its... the end.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Ask yourself how many post FS1 era campaigns have been released that ignore FS2's plot since FS2 came out?
It wouldn't devalue what already exists but it would limit most people as they would probably choose to follow on from the official :v: story instead of doing their own thing after the end of FS2.
You're right about the FS1 campaigns, but the main difference here is that there wouldn't be any actual FS3; it would just be a bunch of storyline concepts. I could see it possibly having some effect, but I don't think it'd be the same as if a full-fledged third game had been released. Then again, I'm not, and most likely never will be, a FREDder, so I'm definitely not qualified to assume things about the creative process. :p
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Originally posted by Charismatic
EDIT: I will stay loyal to FS2 forever. Il be the last one to ever fly, if worst comes to worst, even if everyone else stops flying eventually. I will be the last and final pilot.
don't get all sentimental dude, it's just a game. :p
not to offend anyone around here, that is. :nervous: