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Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Kazan on October 26, 2005, 05:13:07 pm: Speaking much better than he did when he was running for president

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2005_10_26.html
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Deepblue on October 26, 2005, 05:51:16 pm: Whahahhahahahhahhahahhah!

Oh wait... You were serious.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: aldo_14 on October 26, 2005, 05:52:22 pm: :rolleyes:

I see your grasp of political nuance and sharp, incisive, informing criticism is as strong as ever, then.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Deepblue on October 26, 2005, 05:59:13 pm: No, I simply do not understand why this even is being posted here. The election is over. John Kerry lost. Therefore his existence is no longer important.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: vyper on October 26, 2005, 06:03:26 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Deepblue
No, I simply do not understand why this even is being posted here. The election is over. John Kerry lost. Therefore his existence is no longer important.

Bad Deepblue, bad - don't make aldo's points for him!
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Deepblue on October 26, 2005, 06:06:37 pm: I don't mind the criticism. The messenger, however, is old, stale, and crustly, much like the overbaked bread no one wants to eat.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Flipside on October 26, 2005, 06:09:05 pm: Take a look at 90% of governments, or, indeed oppositions.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: vyper on October 26, 2005, 06:09:26 pm: Edit: n/m
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Kazan on October 26, 2005, 06:16:43 pm: deepblue: yes, so nothing he says is important just because he lost an election under dubious circumstances.

yes nothing he says, like proposition a possible tenable exit stragety for Iraq Matters

This declairation of irrelevance brought to you by the Neoconservative antithought machine.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: aldo_14 on October 26, 2005, 06:17:47 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Deepblue
I don't mind the criticism. The messenger, however, is old, stale, and crustly, much like the overbaked bread no one wants to eat.

So content doesn't matter, only how flashy & shiny the words look?

If the messenger isn't appointed, delivered and turned out to the preferred specifications of perma-tan and white toothy grin, then clearly we shouldn't bother listening?

That's a remarkably Fisher-Price way of looking at things.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Kazan on October 26, 2005, 06:19:18 pm: aldo_14:

"That's a remarkably Fisher-Price way of looking at things."

sounds like neoconservativism to me
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Inquisitor on October 26, 2005, 06:26:00 pm: I believe he is still a Senator in the United States Senate. I believe that it is the job of Congress to provide a critical check and balance of the Executive. I believe that the Senate is actually part of Congress.

Tell me why, again, that we shouldn't listen to him?

I believe they still teach "checks and balances" in US Government classes, since it's pretty much a founding tenet of our democracy.

Not to mention, regardless of loss, half (or nearly half, depending on who's doing the counting) the country actually wanted this man to be President. It's not chess or checkers, the "loss"doesn't mean the loser gets taken out and shot, they are still breathing, they are still American, therefore, they still are allowed to speak their mind.

One failed Presidential election bid does not obviate somoene's opinion or ability to actually say somethign meaningful.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: aldo_14 on October 26, 2005, 06:29:21 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Inquisitor

Tell me why, again, that we shouldn't listen to him?

Because we don't like what he's saying, and it's more fun to stick our fingers in our ears, close our eyes, and go nyah-nyah-nyah till he goes away?

(metaphysical we)
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Inquisitor on October 26, 2005, 06:31:19 pm: Ah. That clears it up. Is that what they teach in school now about how American democracy works?

Perhaps I should enroll in a GED course, my education was clearly inferior.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: aldo_14 on October 26, 2005, 06:33:44 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Inquisitor
Ah. That clears it up. Is that what they teach in school now about how American democracy works?

That and the bit about spanking with a leather clad, studded paddle.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Deepblue on October 26, 2005, 06:45:43 pm: Fine, I'll go post a thread concerning something conservative to further your false impression of me as a neocon.

PHEAR!

Actually I'm an authoritarian centrist.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Kazan on October 26, 2005, 06:49:46 pm: an authoritarian... go live in some dictactorship and see how long your love for authoritarianism lasts
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Deepblue on October 26, 2005, 06:51:02 pm: You forget that I am the dictator.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: redmenace on October 26, 2005, 06:55:56 pm: I could understand not wanting to put any weight on what Ted Kennedy says. But I don't see why anyone should dismiss what John Kerry says immediatly without giving some thought about it. On a side note, I am not a John Kerry fan.
Title: John Kerry gives speech, makes sense
Post by: Kazan on October 26, 2005, 07:04:11 pm: no.. you're not