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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: joek on December 07, 2001, 10:18:00 pm
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(My brain's getting tired, but I've got an idea to share)
I was thinking about my campaign, about how the EOC want's to seal off Terran-Vausdan space to keep Shivans from ever returning, but the GTVA needs some propaganda to show people that the EOC is being stupid about this. What does the GTVA use? The way the Lucifer fleet moved in FS1, using unknown and unstable nodes.
So how'd the Lucifer do this... well this is what I just thought of. What if (other than in Derelict where the Shivan Knossos appears), the Lucifer has Knossos-type technology/drives/whatever inside of itself? That those 5 reactors power not only the shields but also the devices so that the Lucifer can open up nodes to go through that we would be able to open (without a Knossos-type device).
That could go along with an idea of the role the Lucifer plays. It's got the shields so that species without beams can't hurt it, and knossos-type stuff so that it can get to where it wants to go (species homeworlds) quickly and easily.
Joe.
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wel, I think luci had a better jumpdrive than we have, it's prety simple (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) Shivans can use any node they want, I think that's all (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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That might explain why the shivans disappeared after the Great War. They needed the lucifer to open the nodes to Ross 128. Of course the theory only works if the lucifer is one of a kind (or at least very rare) and the shivans were over confident risking it in a way that meant they could lose the only ship they had capable of doing that.
That said the shivans have a history of over confidence (sending a single sathanas when they had 80 more!) so it might fit.
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Originally posted by venom2506:
wel, I think luci had a better jumpdrive than we have, it's prety simple (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) Shivans can use any node they want, I think that's all (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Well, obviously the Shivans could use nodes that the GTVA considered too unstable for use, so yes the Shivans did have better subspace drives, but I don't think they could use collapsed nodes, and I bet there would be nodes considered too unstable even for standard Shivan craft to use.
Giving the Lucifer an extra level of technology (the ability to stablise collapsed, or otherwise unusable, nodes) over the rest of the Shivan fleet makes sense, it can be used to help explain why the Lucifer appears to be rare (such technology could be difficult even for Shivans to build), and perhaps gives us an alternative reason for the behaviour of the Shivans after the Lucifer was destroyed.
The Lucifer was clearly an important ship for the Shivan fleet. After its destruction, the Shivan fleet scattered and was destroyed easily, not only had they lost their command ship and most powerful vessel, but they were also unable to return home without the Lucifer drive to stablise particular subspace nodes.
Anyway, this is just my humble opinion. Feel free to blast my reasoning out of the water.
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The reasons the Shivans were so easily defeated after the destruction of the Lucifer are few and simple:
The Lucifer was a central point where all attack plans were coordinated
Without the Lucifer, their construction and repair of ships was crippled
The GTVA knew that any ship they may encounter could be destroyed with conventional attacks and so they became more bold
Was there only one Demon class in FS1? I can't remember but if there was, it was destroyed before the Lucifer wiped out Vasuda (if you completed the mission). Therefore the Shivans were already suffering a heavy loss.
Maybe the Lucifer was sent through a collapsing node to Ross128 to find the Knossos and turn it on. Presuming that the Vasudans or Terrans would have already found it, they proceeded to their homeworlds to track the device down. Or maybe to destroy the device Bosch found and prevent anyone turning the Knossos on ever again.
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Originally posted by an0n:
The reasons the Shivans were so easily defeated after the destruction of the Lucifer are few and simple:
The Lucifer was a central point where all attack plans were coordinated
Without the Lucifer, their construction and repair of ships was crippled
The GTVA knew that any ship they may encounter could be destroyed with conventional attacks and so they became more bold
Was there only one Demon class in FS1? I can't remember but if there was, it was destroyed before the Lucifer wiped out Vasuda (if you completed the mission). Therefore the Shivans were already suffering a heavy loss.
Maybe the Lucifer was sent through a collapsing node to Ross128 to find the Knossos and turn it on. Presuming that the Vasudans or Terrans would have already found it, they proceeded to their homeworlds to track the device down. Or maybe to destroy the device Bosch found and prevent anyone turning the Knossos on ever again.
there was two demons in fs1 I think.
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Originally posted by an0n:
Was there only one Demon class in FS1?
People, things like this are very easy to discover. All you need to do is extract all the FS1 missions into a directory and do a search in that directory for files containing the text "demon". And if you use a program like TextPad ("http://www.textpad.com/") for the search, it will display the lines where the word "demon" occurs, too. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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In FS1, you saw two Demons: the Eva and the Tantalus. The game hinted that there were more(I think that the the PVD Hope managed to waste one).
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Originally posted by sandwich:
And if you use a program like TextPad ("http://www.textpad.com/")
P11111111111111mp... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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There was more than one Demon in FS1. You see two is seperate mission (though one is destroyed, the Eva). The tech description for the Demon indicate that there is a number of them about the place.
Also, the Shivans had quite a few fighters and bombers and even they need somewhere to house them to repair and re-arm between mission. The repair bases (like the one in 'Enter the Dragon' would not really be the best in all situations. Thus they would need a carrier ship, and many of them.
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