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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Lightspeed on May 31, 2004, 01:51:33 pm
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Ever since I got FS1, I have one question:
If you look at the VPs, youll notice FS1 ships are named:
fighter01, fighter 02, etc.
bomber03, bomber04, etc.
They're complete rows of numbers, EXCEPT "bomber02" which is missing both in textures and models. So, it appears that V decided to ditch a model / bomber they had originally planned AFTER creating the rest of the models.
Now, the main question - does anyone KNOW which vessel this should have been, or anything else specific about it?
My theory is that it was supposed to be the two seated apollo like thingy - but i'd like to know if anyone ever actually found out.
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Maybe they cut the Zeus originally, then brought it back for ST?
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My thoughts excactly aldo_14 :)
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Hmm... thats actually quite possible.
Anyone else? :)
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Maybe it wasn't a bomber at all. Maybe it was a huge super juggernaut that was 50 times the size of the Sathanas.
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probably not as it is 'bomber02.pof", and FS1.
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Hey, you never know Lightspeed. Those game devs can be quite strange at times.
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Yes, but that is just not an option when try to decide what it is... I mean who in the world would think a bomber POF was a Juggernaut, that is usually the last thing on their mind. "When solving a mystery look for the most probable of the least probable answers." -- some wise guy
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Going by that, bomber02 would be the Hades then....
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:lol:
No, more like the Loki...
Don't listen to me...:D
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Actually, Lighty, check the Amun. IIRC, it was supposed to be Terran at first, then they changed their minds for some reason. And if I'm wrong, it still looks pretty Terran.
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I MAY have been the Ulysses as well...which was their first fighter design and also was listed as a bomber for some time. So it may have been renamed bomber02 (I think the Medusa was number 1) and then changed back to a Terran Vasudan hybrid when they got their ducks in a row for the design philosophy of each race.
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It could've been the Apollo, although for some reason the Zeus sounds more likely. It really doesn't look like any of the Terran ships in FS1.
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Ulysses is not plausible as its fighter01 (so the first fighter down the road). As I said, some Apollo similar thingy was my first guess too, but Zeus indeed sounds more reasonable.
Interesting thought on the Amun, KT. I'll check up if that'd work.
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Actually, the Amun was supposed to be Shivan IIRC, not Terran.
Bomber 1 was the Athena, 3 was the Shaitan. 4, Medusa. 5, Ursa. 6, Osiris. 7, Amun. 8, Nephilim.
I think going by this, and the way tht V usually worked:
1 Terran vessel
1 Vasudan Vessel
1 Shivan Vessel, or vice versa
(ie; Capital01 = Orion | Cruiser01 = Leviathan/Fenris
Capital02 = Lucifer | Cruiser02 = Aten
Capital03 = Typhon | Cruiser03 = Cain/Lilith
Capital04 = Demon)
We could speculate it was an early Vasudan bomber. :nod:
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Nice nice work in finding that out Raa. Sounds very plausible.
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
Actually, the Amun was supposed to be Shivan IIRC, not Terran.
Oh.. yeesh. Even more misplaced than a Vasudan bomber.
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Originally posted by Viper1000
Maybe it wasn't a bomber at all. Maybe it was a huge super juggernaut that was 50 times the size of the Sathanas.
I'm afraid this man speaks the truth.
He may set us free.
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Ulysses is not plausible as its fighter01 (so the first fighter down the road). As I said, some Apollo similar thingy was my first guess too, but Zeus indeed sounds more reasonable.
Interesting thought on the Amun, KT. I'll check up if that'd work.
Yes I know that...and I asked V guys when we first started looking at the FS1 fighters and the numbering scheme. I believe I even asked one of the dev guys, in person, at Volition in Champaign IL, with regards to these things. The Ulysses was a bomber as I recall...for a period of time (despite it being fighter01.pof which was its initial role as well - it went from being fighter, to odd shaped Terran bomber, to hybrid Terran-Vasudan fighter).
So its quite plausiable. I'm not 100% certain that this (I may have remembered wrong) is the answer either but its in the runnings and shouldn't be discounted immediately either.
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Have a look in the sparky_fs2.vp. (Interface)
There is a file named loadbomber2v-01.pcx
But there is no model called 'bomber2v-01.pof'.
And it looks like the vasudan stealthfighter. Edit: Uhm not the stealth, but another fighter.
Perhaps it was a bomber before. :confused:
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That bomber doesn't ring a bell??:confused:
I don't think I've seen it...
EDIT: No, I think I have... ahhh.. I'm confused
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...Perhaps it's another mystery...
It is a vasudan bomber, right ? (well I know it, but I'm not sure)
But it's model is called fighter2v-03.pof.
Originally posted by jdjtcagle
EDIT: No, I think I have... ahhh.. I'm confused
Me too...
Edit: No, it the GVB Bakha, a bomber. Super-embarrassing , because it's my current rank ... :rolleyes:
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That isn't the Bakha
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(Ships.tbl)
$Name: GVB Bakha
$Short name: VBomb21
$POF file: fighter2v-03.pof
$Ship_icon: iconfighter2v-03
$Ship_anim: ssbomber2v-03
$Ship_overhead: loadbomber2v-01
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The one on the bottom is the bakha and couldn't find it in the models... The one on top is... I don't know and it's in the models
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7439/untitled17.JPG)
Edit: thanks Dabrain Bakha is listed as a fighter POF... but what is this one
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GVB Sekhmet
Max speed: 60
Shields: 850
Hitpoints: 500
Score: 10
(http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/techfs/jeremy/sekhmet.jpg)
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GVB Bakha
Max speed: 65
Shields: 620
Hitpoints: 440
Score: 13
(http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/techfs/jeremy/bakha.jpg)
Source: http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/techfs/vfs.shtml
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Not been paying attention in the first loop mission jdjtcagle?
:)
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AH...HA... that's were I seen them, but I never comprehended they were different :D
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Uhhh the Sekhmet is ugly. Perhaps I should ... well, first the Perseus. Was untouched in the last days...
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That's:
1) clearly the FS2 naming convention: CLASS_NUMBER|SPECIES-MAPTILE, instead of FS1's CLASS_2xNUMBER (i.e. bomber2t instead of bomber02)
2) 'new' ships in the FS2 timeline.
And please, people, please. Your lack of basic knowledge about even the most common FS2 ships disappoints me. :doubt:
There's been whole SQUADS of people been known to fly that pile of crap Sekhmet bomber. Oh, how I loved their insults when all of their stupid tornadoes just flew by my ship... :)
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
There's been whole SQUADS of people been known to fly that pile of crap Sekhmet bomber. Oh, how I loved their insults when all of their stupid tornadoes just flew by my ship... :)
Eh? Sekhmat is the best Vasudan bomber in the fleet. Just because the pilots sucked, and they used the most god aweful weapon (hornet/tornado) doesn't mean the ship sucked. I prefer it to any[/b] Terran bomber in the entire fleet.
Plus, it looks cool, if Turambar ever finishes the maps for it.
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
That's:
1) clearly the FS2 naming convention: CLASS_NUMBER|SPECIES-MAPTILE, instead of FS1's CLASS_2xNUMBER (i.e. bomber2t instead of bomber02)
2) 'new' ships in the FS2 timeline.
And please, people, please. Your lack of basic knowledge about even the most common FS2 ships disappoints me. :doubt:
There's been whole SQUADS of people been known to fly that pile of crap Sekhmet bomber. Oh, how I loved their insults when all of their stupid tornadoes just flew by my ship... :)
I disappointed myself...:(
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
1) clearly the FS2 naming convention: CLASS_NUMBER|SPECIES-MAPTILE, instead of FS1's CLASS_2xNUMBER (i.e. bomber2t instead of bomber02)
Actually, the "2" in "bomber2t" is for FS2. What would be bomber0x under FS1 naming would be bomber2(t/v/s)-0x under FS2.
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You guys haven't seen the Sekhmet!! Whats wrong with you guys! :)
The Bakha is a heavy assault bomber while the Sekhmet is a true bomber more like the Boanerges only with better armament. Its actually an HoL design if you read the tech room and it was designed and is partly based on some rudimentry Shivan technology.
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My thoughts exactly, Ice. I love the Sekhmet - it really puts the Bakha to shame if you want to really take down a capital ship. I don't know what pilots you were flying against Light, but the Sekhmet has proven lethal in every engagement I've flown in. :)
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The Bahka is a light attack bomber, the Vasudan equivalent to the Artemis or Athena light bombers. That's not a heavy assault bomber.
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Seriously, whoever thinks he can best a FIGHTER in that ugly Sekhmet box is a freakin' llama. :D
Of course, against silly AI or total n00bs you might have some chance, but spamming with missiles won't help you against anyone who knows how to evade them. :)
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Seriously, whoever thinks he can best a FIGHTER in that ugly Sekhmet box is a freakin' llama. :D
Of course, against silly AI or total n00bs you might have some chance, but spamming with missiles won't help you against anyone who knows how to evade them. :)
But that's what we mean. You wouldn't use an Ursa to perform a stealth recon mission, so why are they using a Sekhmat for dogfighting?
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Didn't that post say retard instead of llama... :p
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No.
It was, is, and will always be, llama.
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Prooooove it...
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
But that's what we mean. You wouldn't use an Ursa to perform a stealth recon mission, so why are they using a Sekhmat for dogfighting?
That's why they're llamas.
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Lightspeed: Well, I'd hate to rain on your parade, but I smote a Dragon with a Trebuchet in one o' those things. :) *Nod* Ok, so he was VERY far off and was dead-set at ramming me or something, but STILL. :p
Nothing sporting four Mekhus and lots and lots of other firecracker-thingies should be passed off as stupid so soon.
(Um, now, who's in love with the Sekhmet? :rolleyes: )
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Uh.... you can shoot ANY AI ship with ANY ship with missiles.
In FS2, one shot of missiles = one hit on AI ships.
We're talking about multiplayer here :)
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I dare you to try to hit an AI Dragon with a Helios :p
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Possible.
You can hit almost everything with a helios. If you don't trust me, i'll search esd and make him shoot you with one :D
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Sekhmet looks teh cool. A remapping will no doubt own
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I kind of think this mystery FS1 ship was the Sekmet. It did say in the description that it was a shivan design adapted by HOL engineers.
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Maybe it's one of the bombers on the Volition Bombers desktop. Or maybe....the government made them take it out because it too closely resembled one of thier super secret projects.
Ok seriously, stupid as that sounds.....
A few years ago i saw a revell model for the SR-92 Aurora spy plane. I went back a week later, none were left, never got more in, and you can't find it on Revell, Monogram, or MPC. The government does deny the existence of that plane.
so what do i think bomber 02 is? I think it's sitting under the wrecked hades in the opening cutscene of fs2, squashed, and they thought...well since we are squashing a bomber that doesn't exist, let's put it under the hades, which was destroyed near no planet. Mystery solved.