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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ghostavo on June 07, 2004, 09:25:07 am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3766863.stm
Discuss!!! :)
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So anybody thinks this is the "last" discovery of Atlantis?
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I don't know...
If it was anywhere I would say it was in the America's...
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Of course, everybody knows Cuba is the top of the northern mountains of Atlantis legend.
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Some have said Ireland, others Iceland. though there are stories that the 'survivors' arrived on the mainland from the Atlantic Ocean, hence the name 'Atlantean'. It may be that this one simple word led to the entire story of Atlantis. Some even believe the refugees of Atlantis may have been the last of the Minnoans, curiously enough ;)
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The whole supertech civilization is a modern fabrication isn't it?
I wish it weren't.
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You lot need to watch the Mysterious Cities of Gold
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The Atlantic Ocean is named becasue of Atlantis, as far as I know.
I'm pretty sure it's not the other way around.
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It was, is, and always will be a myth. It was something made up to illustrate a point, but never finished. The city itself is only classically mentioned by Plato, and if you'd ever read the Criteaus (sp?) the falsity of the account should be obvious. The whole of the story of Atlantis was a fictional fabrication in what most consider to be the first work of Sci-Fi in history. It was a supertech civilization in the story by bronze-age standards, though, so that part has been handed down, pretty much intact, from ~300 BC.
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But...it's gonna be on Stargate! :p
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
But...it's gonna be on Stargate! :p
StarGate always had a bit of fun with mythology. This doesn't hurt that at all.
Atlantis I doubt you could consider supertech...they didn't have cars, airplanes, or microwaves. They may have been more advanced than some of their neighbors and done a little more than the Greeks but they didn't have wireless PDA's :D
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StratComm, while I agree with your logic, I find your conclusion perhaps somewhat hasty. A myth often has an element of truth to it, somewhere in the core. Do not be so quick to dismiss the myth as naught but a petty story.
That doesn't mean that you are necessarily wrong, merely perhaps a tad quick to judge the situation. In fact, I too rather doubt that Plato's account is entirely accurate. But there may, in the end, be a core of truth to the legend he wrote down. After all, Troy was a myth, dismissed for centuries, until one man's fascination found that old city of wooden walls. And all of this is said in an academic sense, no insult is intended, merely an interesting scholarly discussion. Preferrably with mutual respect on both sides.
In any case, this should be fascinating to see how it plays out. This is one of the more interesting leads I've seen explored.
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If the Atlantis legend is true as originally recorded, it would be the first modern civilization - instead of Egypt.
There's no way the Atlantis legend is pure BS. Something happened to inspire it - even if it was only a house collapsing in to the sea, giving Plato an idea. But I'm pretty sure there's something more to it than that. Plenty of volcanic islands have been destroyed in the Med :nod:
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Wasn't it theorized earlier that Atlantis was a Bronze Age culture in the Mediterranean destroyed by a volcanic eruption?
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EDIT: sorry DG :(
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Read the ****ing thread, Stealth
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dg: actually, the civilizations in mesapotamia came before egypt, and before that you had a scattering of "civilizations" throughout the region, as well as in africa.
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Then the Discovery channel is lying to me :eek2:
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so is the president
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Then the Discovery channel is lying to me :eek2:
The Discovery Channel probably meant that the Egyptians were the first empire.
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S'all good. Possibly the first recognizable modern or 'western' civilization with central government, taxation and ****. They certainly had the first monotheistic religion at one point. Er... I think
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Yep. Akenaton and his cult of the sun disk.
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Actually IIRC the oldest city found so far is in South America of all places. :D
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just goes to show we still no nothing abot our past...:eek:
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Originally posted by karajorma
Actually IIRC the oldest city found so far is in South America of all places. :D
really? I thought the various South American cultures (that we know of) didn't exist before maybe 500 AD, and reached their pinnacle in between 1000 and 1500 AD. Of course, it stands to reason that they probably came over the Bering Strait while it as still possible to do so, so the people are almost certainly very old, but I have never come across anything to indicate that civilizations themselves were that old.
Interesting stuff in either case. Linky perhaps?
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Here you go. This one doesn't say it's as old as it is where I first heard of. It may be refering to a different city though.
http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues02/aug02/caral.html
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@Grey Wolf: That city you're talking about is that of the Minoans, IIRC. I think that's the closest to an 'official' theory any of them are at the moment.
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Originally posted by Moonsword
@Grey Wolf: That city you're talking about is that of the Minoans, IIRC. I think that's the closest to an 'official' theory any of them are at the moment.
It does actually fit the legend quite well. The minoans were more advanced than the civilisations around them and they were destroyed by a volcanic eruption and floods.
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Oldest city in the world is 30km off the coast of india, 9500 years old iirc.
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Originally posted by Rictor
really? I thought the various South American cultures (that we know of) didn't exist before maybe 500 AD, and reached their pinnacle in between 1000 and 1500 AD. Of course, it stands to reason that they probably came over the Bering Strait while it as still possible to do so, so the people are almost certainly very old, but I have never come across anything to indicate that civilizations themselves were that old.
Interesting stuff in either case. Linky perhaps?
Don't know if they were oldest or not, but they are diffenitely older than 500 AD
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Intruiging....
Atlantis....atlanteans... There may be some truth in it, alltough I doubt it was as grand as Palato described it...
It just MIGHT be a house that sank in the sea...:D
*thinks of Draconians/atlanteans from VOE, from Atlantis from Stargate, Atlantis, Jules Verne, and other such things...*
Do you think they had Plasma Cannons, Jump dirves, Underwater seweed farms, psychic power or wings?:D
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Nah. They were mighty wizards, who after their city sank gained the power to communicate with fish telepathically :p
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I forget how many, but all over the World (Incuding the Americas) have a legend of a great sunken civilization called Atlantis, Atlantica, or something similar...
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It's absolutely not the last discovery. I'm not convinced...and never will be. I think Plato was a blithering fool who knew he was going to obsess generations with his mythical story and is currently having a good laugh at us all from his grave.
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Oh, they found it again? They found it last year, too. And the year before :p
Psst, they'll found it again in another place next year ;)
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Well, its time for them to look for the lost continent of Mu. Sunk somewhere in Asia. Its no mere island. But a continent!!
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they really did find it, and it has a stargate, the news broadcast will be on the sci fi channel on july 16th.
or maybe it's just incredible timing
or it may just be a publicity stunt for Stargate Atlantis
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
S'all good. Possibly the first recognizable modern or 'western' civilization with central government, taxation and ****. They certainly had the first monotheistic religion at one point. Er... I think
Akhenaton's veneration of Aten is contested as the first recorded monotheistic religion. If Zoroastrianism began around 1400BC (it has a wide range of starting dates), it was the first recorded (though to be fair, it's more a form of dualism, which at its heart is monotheism... yes).