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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sandwich on June 11, 2004, 01:14:51 pm

Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Sandwich on June 11, 2004, 01:14:51 pm
I have an image of an outline I'd like to use as a 3D logo in animation. The image is a simple greyscale (B&W + anti-aliasing) silouhette (sp?). Does anyone know of a way to convert it into curves or polylines or whatever, in either, MAX, TS, or Rhino?
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Flipside on June 11, 2004, 01:20:08 pm
Your best bet may be to just make a flat polygon and use the image as the texture and the alpha channel, to try and make it 'truly' 3D would be a bit harder, and would probably need to scan it in, use it as a backdrop in Max or TS and then 'draw' the polylines over the top of the image, that way you could bevel out the final shape.

No doubt someone will come along with a better idea now :D
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Thorn on June 11, 2004, 01:24:24 pm
Well, if this were Lightwave I would use the image as a displacement map on a flat plane of polygons, then edit out the unused polys, remove unnecessary ones, then add a back on it so you can look at it from any angle.
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Taristin on June 11, 2004, 01:25:44 pm
I was thinking that(What flipside said). Or there are supposedly plugins for TS that will use the color value of an image to make geometry. I don't know how well it'd work.
If it's not super complicated, just modell it, and see how it goes. It shouldn't be too hard.

Edit:
The tool I mentioned does what thorn says...
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: DragonClaw on June 11, 2004, 01:26:43 pm
[edit] I blame my connection being so laggy that I didn't get my same answer as thorn did in first :p [/edit]
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Flipside on June 11, 2004, 01:47:17 pm
I can convert it using displacement map very easily, but the problem there is that the polygons tend to be square, and when you cut away the background, the finished article can look pixelly :(
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: aldo_14 on June 11, 2004, 02:06:57 pm
Depending on the image, you could use it as a background and draw splines over it, or maybe use it as a displacement map on a nurbs plane.
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Thorn on June 11, 2004, 03:15:13 pm
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Originally posted by Flipside
I can convert it using displacement map very easily, but the problem there is that the polygons tend to be square, and when you cut away the background, the finished article can look pixelly :(

You make a flat plane, subdivide the hell out of it, triple it, then do the displacement map. You can optimise it afterwards.
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Nico on June 14, 2004, 05:05:12 pm
"lloks at other suggestions"
My god, people :lol:
You have the shape in photoshop? Export it as an illustrator file ( can't remember the name ). Max can import those.
Magic!
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Thorn on June 14, 2004, 05:17:13 pm
And rarely using MAX, I never would have known that....
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Nico on June 14, 2004, 05:19:09 pm
Well, as I'm  rarely using Lightwave, you don't see me giving advices on how to use it, right? :p
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: vyper on June 14, 2004, 05:20:47 pm
wots that CAD format most apps support? Makes 2D/3D wireframes using such images.
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Taristin on June 14, 2004, 05:29:00 pm
DXF?
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Nico on June 14, 2004, 05:29:13 pm
DXF
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: vyper on June 14, 2004, 05:33:04 pm
Thats the bugger. That'll solve it.
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Sandwich on June 14, 2004, 05:47:13 pm
Well, in-between HLP's first death and ressurection, and the second, I was trying to use the file as a displacement map, when all of a sudden my computer decided that it didn't much appreciate being told to boss around 800,000 polygons without a working CPU fan or DirectX acceleration, and quit. It is now sleeping the eternal sleep of (I hope) a dead power supply. Haven't gotten the chance yet to try putting in a new one. Ah well, my new computer is already ordered and on its way. :D
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: vyper on June 14, 2004, 05:48:19 pm
No CPU fan?

Aye... sure it's the power supply :wtf:
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: USS Alexander on June 14, 2004, 06:06:40 pm
I would try the displacement map to on a flat subpatch and tweak the falloff settings abit, or what aldo said using curves you have tons of control over the shape then, you just need to conform to the bg image then :)in LW in max i would do what nico said.
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Thorn on June 14, 2004, 06:34:23 pm
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Originally posted by Nico
Well, as I'm  rarely using Lightwave, you don't see me giving advices on how to use it, right? :p

Your post just came across as being a bit arrogant.. thats all I was on about...
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: demon442 on June 14, 2004, 11:17:42 pm
I saw an easy way to do this in Maya on TV.  They were making fly-through logo's, but its the same concept.

Just create a flat plane and texture it with your logo.  Draw your splines over the edges.  Extrude a bit and you've got a basic 3D logo.  

Please note, this is all just logic and reasoning.  I have no real experience with modeling programs as none of the worthwhile ones are leagally free and easy to learn.  The demo I saw used Maya's lightmap feature to create the splines according to the changes in color, and then a handy slider for the distance to extrude.  This may or may not apply to specific modeling programs, its just a guideline.
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Nico on June 15, 2004, 02:53:55 am
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Originally posted by Thorn

Your post just came across as being a bit arrogant.. thats all I was on about...

Touchy aren't we :p
I'm known for being arrogant anyway :p
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: karajorma on June 15, 2004, 05:39:31 am
He's French. It's genetic trait :D
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Sandwich on June 21, 2004, 11:51:04 am
Phew. Just got my computer fixed. Had to get a new power supply (400w @ ~$40), which, of course, didn't work. So, before trying to buy some other component, I switched the new power supply with the one that's been in the server at my house. And, of course, the server's PS worked in my computer, and the new PS worked in the server. So now the server (Celeron 667Mhz, GF2MX, 128mb RAM) has a heavy-duty 400w power supply, and my computer (P3-600Mhz, Radeon 9800 Pro, 384mb RAM) is running off a 300w power supply.

Whatever.

Anyway, the paths to Illustrator option in Photoshop worked perfectly - thanks to VeNico for that tip. :p
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Nico on June 21, 2004, 04:43:33 pm
My pleasure (http://www.jeuxvideo.nu/forum/images/smiles/new_chine.gif)
Title: Photoshop (2D) to MAX (3D)?
Post by: Nuke on June 22, 2004, 09:18:15 pm
last i checked max can load adobe ilustrstrator files. you could trace the image thit the path tools (if its a simple image the magnetic path tool would do it). trace the mage to create a path, the export the path to an ilustraiter ai file, load im max and extrude. thats it. have fun.


*edit* *smacks head*

looks like i read too fast, nico beat me to it.