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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: pyro-manic on June 11, 2004, 05:20:25 pm
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Well, all you fellow Brits should know about this by now, so whaddaya think? The beginning of the end for Blair, or just a setback until the whole Iraq ****storm blows over?
Opinions please! :)
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I'm hoping that Blair's ****ting himself, and will realise that he's going to have to be reasonable from now on.
Although it's more likely that he's thinking of reforming local government and abolishing councils.
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Yes, it'll be the end for Blair, but not Labour, I imagine. They might get rid of him before his third term is due, and then whoever succeeds him (i.e. Gordon Brown) will ensure its downfall. I don't think the Tories are quite in position to take the next election, especially as their opponents will wait until things have died down to hold it.
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God help us if the Tories get elected next year. At least Labour are only raping us through their ****eness - the Conservatives would be actively ****ing the country up. Meanwhile Bradford elects yet more BNP members. They'll wake up one morning to find all the black people have been deported.
Hey, would we be allowed to have a joint Tory-LibDem government?
[EDIT]WHAT THE ****? They're ****ing Nazis, for ****'s sake! What the **** is wrong with people?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3710781.stm :ick:
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At least 3 of the 51 seats in my council are now BNP.
Fun...
If the BBC updated their sodding results map it'd help.
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The BNP are the ultra-nationalist wackos, right?
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Ultra-nationalist, ultra-racist, fascist thugs, yes.
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Think "skinhead"
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http://www.bnp.org.uk/
Try not to be too sickened.
And then there's Combat 18. It's hard to believe that it's a serious site, http://www.niggerfreehosting.com/~skrewd/
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
http://www.bnp.org.uk/
Try not to be too sickened.
And then there's Combat 18. It's hard to believe that it's a serious site, http://www.niggerfreehosting.com/~skrewd/
:lol: :lol:
Thats awesome. Especially the militant Odinist Nazis, they really know how to appeal to the common man. But I think what they really need is a strong candidate (http://images.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/04-09-04-campaigns/Kommienzuspadt.jpg) to help lead them to victory.
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Problem is, people are feeling the country doesn't "belong" to them any more, and that the govt spends more time oppressing THEM in favour of the minority (e.g. the 3% of non-whites that make up our overall population) than actually being fair.
It's no wonder people go to extremes like the BNP. It's simple, people take the view that if the community leaders of those ethnic groups want to play hard-ball - so can we.
Now, I did not vote for the BNP in the election. I was a UKIP supporter, and still am. However, the ground the BNP has gained should be a wake up call to the establishment in the UK - listen to the people, or the people won't listen to you.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
And then there's Combat 18. It's hard to believe that it's a serious site, http://www.niggerfreehosting.com/~skrewd/
Any1 wanna DoS thier asses? (in the case where we can't borrow a few miniguns and give the nazi bastards a few new holes in their bodies)
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The reason people vote BNP is because you get immigrants coming into the country with their 6 kids and 3 wives, saying their life is in danger in their homeland while offering no proof to support these claims, and the government gives them the best houses they can find as quickly as they can find them, for free.
Then they give them money, food tokens, preferential treatment from all the public services, tell employers and landlords that they'll give them wads of cash if they lease to / employ immigrants and generally treat them like royalty while British nationals get **** all.
You could work your ass off for 50 years, pay all your taxes, be a kingpin of an entire industry and damn near kill yourself doing a job you get paid virtually nothing to do, but still keep going like the trooper you are; Then one day you have a heart attack and instead of getting the new heart you need you get put on a waiting list. So you wait 5 years, struggling on ****ty benefits while your elderly wife scrimps and saves to try and pay the gas bill so she doesn't freeze to death during the long, cold, lonely winter, but that's okay because you understand that alot of people need alot of rare organs. So you wait another 3 years, have to lay in a hospital bed (if you're lucky) and watch your wife get kicked onto the street because some 25 year old, fit, healthy immigrant needs a house. But finally, after all that waiting, all that suffering, all those years of loyalty to the system, you're at the top of the list; You're going to get that new heart, you'll be able to work again, to feed your family, to make a new home. Then an hour before you go into theatre some Pakistani drug dealer comes into the country with a bullet-wound to the outer layer of his heart, says he's been persecuted for being Christian, gets bumped to the top of the list and you don't get your new heart. Instead, you die and you get a cheap, no-frills, pauper's burial beside your wife who froze to death 2 days before.
THAT's why people vote BNP.
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That's also a reason.
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Wait a moment.... Odin-worshipping Nazis are an actual political party?
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Originally posted by vyper
That's also a reason.
Also, they don't like black people :yes2::):yes:
[EDIT] Jesus Christ, I'd never delved that deep in to Comabt 18 before. I mean they've got actual swastikas and ****. Isn't Nazism outlawed overhere?
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If you think British immigration policy is bad, come to Canada. I think its great really. All my best friends are immigrants, first generation.
"The damn immigrants are getting preferential treatement" usually means "everyone gets equal treatement, and damn we're pissed about it". Not even the US is so up-tight about asylum seekers. They make a great source of cheap labour, since they have to do what you say or else you report them to the immigration police. Er...yeah....
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They mention the ZGO quite frequently on their website. I'm assuming that means Zionist something someting.
Apparently, these assholes have a chapter in Serbia among others. How disapointing...
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I pass through what used to be a normal neighbourhood every day in life to drive my mother to her office. The area I drive through is now purely asian - there's like 1 white house owner in the area.
Everywhere else in the city there are parking attendants raping the general drivers rights, yet in this area they park, double park, etc and nowt happens. Young white guys are afraid to walk through the area.
A young white boy was abducted, killed, accusedly because he dated a coloured girl from the area. Three of the five bailed suspects are now in Pakistan with no sign of extradition.
I am not racist, I believe in equal rights for all men. However, this situation does not present equal rights. This is why people feel fear, anger and thus hatred. This is why extremism wins. This is why the Nazi party won German elections, and this is why they will always win someone's election when a situation is not addressed properly.
Beware Great Britain, one form of extremism breeds another.
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Hey, I found a National Front-type forum: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/index.php?
Check the name of the second poster in this thread (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=127040)
:ick:
Actually, something's just occured to me - I've just bought meself a green t-shirt with a union jack patch on the arm to go with me camo trousers. People are going to think I'm some sort of BNP storm trooper. It happend to a mate of mine with one of those green jackets with the little German flag on the sleeve - he shaved his head one day then got berated in the street for being a Nazi, despite his being the loudest anti-racism activist I know :(
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And then there's the fact that the Nazi flag bears absolutely no resemblance to the German flag.
People are morons. This is why I believe they should not be allowed to vote.
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That forum's... interesting. I was randomly perusing it and came across a thread explaining why the BNP ought to stop worrying about Muslims and concentrate on the real threat - black people. Apparently Muslims value their ethnic identity and tend to isolate themselves from white communities, but black people actively go out and seek white partners so as to pollute the white gene pool.
What a charming little forum. I'd happily set fire to it :nod:
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What do 3 horizontal bars of red, yellow, and black have to do with a swastika in a white circle on a red field?
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Um, well if I remember back to my GCSE history lessons on WWII, the Nazi party rose to power in Germany. Combine this with the fact that people are stupid, and the slaphead with the german jacket is obviously racist.
I must have forgotten to metion the bit about people being stupid :)
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People aren't stupid, they generate fields of stupidity.
So the larger the concentration of people, the more powerful the inter-person stupidity field becomes.
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This would suggest... that stupidity expands exponentially? That might explain why the BNP is picking up momentum
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Is it ironic I'm listening to the longest day right now?
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A single person cannot be stupid. It requires a second person to either: Deny their moronic claims and thus provoke a reaction; Or to agree with their moronic claims and increase the level of stupidity.
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you know the racist guys might be picking out german flags thinking there nazi symbols too.
why don't you people have a non-insane (relitively) right wing party?
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Those are very rare in the modern age, Bobboau. Rather, any non-insane political party is very rare.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
you know the racist guys might be picking out german flags thinking there nazi symbols too.
why don't you people have a non-insane (relitively) right wing party?
Who does these days?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Think "skinhead"
[color=66ff00]Think "****head".
I know I'm not going to be popular for this, but labour really is the best of many evils. As has been seen before (in full technicolour) the tories will simply rape the poor to feed the rich, the lib-dems are effectively impotent and everyone else is either an extremist or 'just there for a laugh'.
Who really cares about the parties other that the big 2 and a half? The system is utterly buggered but at least it's the least malignant entity in power.
It's way more fun over here though, almost everyone in politics is an extremist, nationality comes way before what the people want.
Hence I sit quietly on the fence and smile as everyone around me gets swept up in the bias that is northern Ireland's politics.
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well, to me, Labour does indeed seem to be the least of many evils, buts its Blair that I have a problem with. He's playing lap-dog to the who whole globalization-empire scheme, despite the fact that (it would seem) the majority of Brits know better. Judging from the British press that is, which is in general rather good. Like the Democrats in America, Labour is in principle a progressive party, but in practice, well...
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Originally posted by vyper
I am not racist, I believe in equal rights for all men.
errr, say what?
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the problem is maeg, and im inclined to agree with anon, people are stupid, hence, they will vote conservative because of this whole iraq business. The country is kinda gonna be screwed really because of our own moronic *follow the leader* nature.
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http://www.bnp.org.uk/campaigns/library_internet.htm
Seems a bit hypocritical to me...
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thats funny as hell :D
GO Birmingham!
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errr, say what?
Alright, so long as they have british nationality. ;)
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Originally posted by vyper
I pass through what used to be a normal neighbourhood every day in life to drive my mother to her office. The area I drive through is now purely asian - there's like 1 white house owner in the area.
Everywhere else in the city there are parking attendants raping the general drivers rights, yet in this area they park, double park, etc and nowt happens. Young white guys are afraid to walk through the area.
A young white boy was abducted, killed, accusedly because he dated a coloured girl from the area. Three of the five bailed suspects are now in Pakistan with no sign of extradition.
I am not racist, I believe in equal rights for all men. However, this situation does not present equal rights. This is why people feel fear, anger and thus hatred. This is why extremism wins. This is why the Nazi party won German elections, and this is why they will always win someone's election when a situation is not addressed properly.
Beware Great Britain, one form of extremism breeds another.
We also had refugees intimidated, assaulted and eventually murdered in Sighthill. Don't think it's a one-sided situation. Segreagation, not immigration, is what breeds extremism. The question is whether it is the asian community, or the white community that willfully segregates itself.
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Bah. People are stupid and an0n is correct that groups of people tend to be more stupid (How else do you explain the mess that is MENSA, desipite the fact that it's supposedly full of the most intelligent people in the country).
As for the BNP let's face it. How F**king stupid do you have to be to think that a thinly disguised Nazi party would save you from your problems?
This is why I keep saying that the ability to vote should be earned not given away for free. We test people for their ability to drive but we let any idiot have an equal say in how the country is run?
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I wish we had a Nazi party here...
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Originally posted by Styxx
I wish we had a Nazi party here...
Nip down to Argentina - they collected them in the 40's.
:p
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Originally posted by Styxx
I wish we had a Nazi party here...
What for? Target practice?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
We also had refugees intimidated, assaulted and eventually murdered in Sighthill. Don't think it's a one-sided situation. Segreagation, not immigration, is what breeds extremism. The question is whether it is the asian community, or the white community that willfully segregates itself.
Fair enough to sitehill, in my example I was referring to Pollokshields.
Tbh, I would say it's the muslim community. The Sikhs, Hindus, Chinese, etc have had far less problems integrating and assimilating British culture.
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Don't know if any of you have delved into Combat 18's site far enough to find RedWatch, but this is basically a list and set of photos of people who they believe to be Commies, and want beaten up.
And two of my mates are on it.
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At least the European election results have shown that euroscepticism is at an all time high. When Blair puts forth this referendum on the European Constitution he's going to get raped again.
The Tories have done so badly (well, at least in MEP loss terms) because they've been sitting on the fence, I think, to avoid splitting the Party down the middle again like in the days of IDS. But now that a lot of Europhile Tories are now in the dole queue thanks to UKIP, there may be an opportunity to toss out the current policy of affiliation with the EPP and do like UKIP has. I really do hope Howard takes it.
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
there may be an opportunity to toss out the current policy of affiliation with the EPP and do like UKIP has. I really do hope Howard takes it.
that would particularly stupid to do as the UKIP says. But then again the UKIP are nothing but a bunch of europhobe bigots, so expect no smarts there.
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Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
that would particularly stupid to do as the UKIP says. But then again the UKIP are nothing but a bunch of europhobe bigots, so expect no smarts there.
:yes: Sad but true. Being in the EU may cause problems but it's nothing compared to the job losses we'd face if European and British goods had an import tax on them again.
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
At least the European election results have shown that euroscepticism is at an all time high. When Blair puts forth this referendum on the European Constitution he's going to get raped again.
yes, yes it has. the percentage of people that actually voted was also generally low. also I voted blank. the "june list", which is a new party that is somewhat of critics to this deal that the eu is going to rule europe without much being able to be decided on locally, reaped 14.5% of the votes and got 3 seats. every other party but one lost a seat too...
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How high was the blank/didn't vote percentage (average) throught europe?
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Originally posted by Ghostavo
How high was the blank/didn't vote percentage (average) throught europe?
on average only about 40% of all EU citizens with the right to vote did their civic duty.
they'd better not complain about the EU in the next few years.
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Originally posted by Ghostavo
How high was the blank/didn't vote percentage (average) throught europe?
Average was 35%-40% IIRC... Cyprus held highest with 70-80%, Eastern Europe and newer member states couldn't give a damn with 20-27%.
(This is the percentage that DID vote.)
Seriously, Europe is getting ****ed every which way by the liberal democracy pretentious sons of *****es. A tad extremism is quite needed right now to push it back.
I don't worry too much, cuz 99% of all extremism id pushed back as things settle down again. It's a temporary neccesity in the modern world.
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Yeah, a bit of extremism isnt anything to worry about, sorted Europe right out 60 years ago :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Tiara
Seriously, Europe is getting ****ed every which way by the liberal democracy pretentious sons of *****es. A tad extremism is quite needed right now to push it back.
that's rather nonsensicle.
extremism is never good, that's why we call it extremism and not normalism for example.
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Originally posted by Gank
Yeah, a bit of extremism isnt anything to worry about, sorted Europe right out 60 years ago :rolleyes:
Jets, nukes, nuclear power, the UN, America coming out of isolation, the death of open racism, the rise of sexual equality, the death of millions of Jews.
All those good things came out of WW2.
Without WW2 we'd probably be in a state on constant pseudo-war with everyone.
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Extremeists serve to remind the human race that too much of anything is a bad thing...even liberalism, and yes, I do believe you can have an extremist liberal.
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All liberalism is extreme.
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*giggles at Tiara*
Oh how I hope this comes. (is not on her side folks btw)
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OK. I haven't read an awful lot of the BNP website, but the general sense I get is that they're a party committed to a basic policy of putting Britain first, at the expense of everyone else. Now, just by reading their Policies page, I can see they don;t have a full grasp on what they're really talking about, but I do see similarities to a party called One Nation that got a few seats here a few years back.
Simple fact was that One Nation was run by a moron (In response to the economic issues of the time and national debt, she suggested Australia print more money...). But their policies were very similar. They were pretty much anti immigration, anti asian, very backwards etc. And the rest of the parties did a similar thing as seems to have been done to the BNP - worked together against them to ensure they didn't get any kind of power.
But the problem with this strategy is that it tends to lead to public focus being on the stupidities at the head of the party rather than what could well be a very important message beneath it. I'd be intrigued to find out if this:
On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.
is true. If so, then that is a problem, and a very serious one. The second a countries core, descendent people become a numerical minority, then the power in that country is no longer in the hands of its ancestral people. This will inevitably lead to changes at a governmental level, and you really have to ask yourself if that's something that'd be good for your country.
Meh. Not really my place to talk about the domestic issues of the british government. Nor am I advocating voting for the BNP - they sound like a bunch of arseholes, who shouldn't be running a footrace. But the fact is, that behind a lot of the stupidity, there often is a valid message that should be shown to the public.[/color]
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It's only a problem if you view 'British' as 'white'. I know plenty of asians (i.e. as both as in the Pacific and India/Pakistan sense, etc) who are 'British' (or, more appropriately, Scottish) and perfectly well 'integrated' - understandable given that they are born in bred in the UK.
If you want to equate nationality, or rather national culture, with a single religion or ethnic group, you're heading for trouble.
NB(1): That is pretty much a bollocks statement. By British, they probably mean 'foreigner hating white-pride Nazis who fight the ****' (apologies for the language, but that's the kind of mindset these people have
EDIT; edited it out. i'm not comfortable with writing any sort of racist epiphet, even if it's to illustrate the idiocy of these people
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I don;t think they class people who disagree with them as being British.
NB(2): The BNP also supports, in particular, a policy of forced repatriation for asians. They're basically based on a policy of pseudo-nazist racism.
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Yup, they just mask it behind issues of popular opinion.
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a lot of the race based... "you will be a minority in your own nation in twenty years" type things, at least the ones people over here use on ocasion, mostly treat racaly mixed people as not-white in order to get there numbers, as people come into a new nation they usualy intermarry within two generations with the native population, the big race/natianality thing we have in the US is mexicans, hispanics make up the fastest growing minority and a lot of republicans use this as a way of getting votes, they say things like "there comeing here to hijack our culture" and there are a few places were this can be seen (only enough to be used as political fodder), but most people immigrateing assemelate right in. now it's not to say that we don't have an imigration problem, our borders are totaly out of control, but some people will use stuff like this to wip people up into a furvor of stupidity.
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I think people misunderstood me. I meant a bit of extremism, not extreme Nazi Extremism.
Extremism isn't always a bad thing. Sometimes it's needed to counterbalance the current state of affairs. I don't say you have to like it, but it's needed.
An example;
Iraq with Saddam was a prime example of extremism. What was needed? The opposite of Saddams extremism to counterbalance it. And before everyone start *****ing, yes, it was America that took an extremist position when it decided to invade Iraq. Just a different kind of extremism.
Most people think to polarized about extremism. Extremism can come in ANY form. Not just extreme left and extreme right. Thats the main thing about the world today, it's become too black & white. You need to see other options to move on.
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Isn't the whole point of extremism viewing the world in black and white? As in 'we're right and you're wrong' with no room for compromise?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Isn't the whole point of extremism viewing the world in black and white? As in 'we're right and you're wrong' with no room for compromise?
If you're the nazi-saddam or islam/bible type extremist, yes.
But extremists can also be groups/people who believe in something that is just plain needed in today's world. Something that needs to be changed. A one-time change I might add. Like the current state of affairs in which corruption is really starting to take it's toll, the government ****s up all the time, etc etc.
The way I see it, is that there are three types of extremists;
Religious extremist: Well, that's self explainatory.
Totalitarioan extremists: Also self explainatory.
Progressive extremism: This kind of extremism is based on changing the world for good. It might be a hard concept for some to put 'good' in the same sentence as 'extremism'. But it exists. Like America took an extremist position to free Iraq. (Although they mainly ****ed that up in the aftermath by going totalitarian on Iraqi asses with the whole prison torture deal :p).
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I was discussing withdrawal from the EU with my more politically learned friend, and apparently withdrawal from the EU would allow us to keep the free trade and do away with the bureacracy and European influence over British law. Oh, and let's not forget the huge savings the British Government would have - in the region of billions a year just from not paying the member fees.
Tiara, if you're complaining about voter apathy, I don't see it as a problem. Certainly there should be no enforced voting crap like Australia has. The right to participate in democracy is one of its most important ideals, and if people don't want to vote for any political entity because none of them are compatible with their own ideology, then allow them to abstain.
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
Tiara, if you're complaining about voter apathy, I don't see it as a problem. Certainly there should be no enforced voting crap like Australia has. The right to participate in democracy is one of its most important ideals, and if people don't want to vote for any political entity because none of them are compatible with their own ideology, then allow them to abstain.
Eh, no. I wasn't talking about that :p Seriously, if I we were forced to vote, strange things would happen with our government :p
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Originally posted by Tiara
If you're the nazi-saddam or islam/bible type extremist, yes.
But extremists can also be groups/people who believe in something that is just plain needed in today's world. Something that needs to be changed. A one-time change I might add. Like the current state of affairs in which corruption is really starting to take it's toll, the government ****s up all the time, etc etc.
The way I see it, is that there are three types of extremists;
Religious extremist: Well, that's self explainatory.
Totalitarioan extremists: Also self explainatory.
Progressive extremism: This kind of extremism is based on changing the world for good. It might be a hard concept for some to put 'good' in the same sentence as 'extremism'. But it exists. Like America took an extremist position to free Iraq. (Although they mainly ****ed that up in the aftermath by going totalitarian on Iraqi asses with the whole prison torture deal :p).
Progressive extermism would require some sort of universal 'solution', for lack of a better word. i.e. one single action that will solve every problem that it aims to tackle. I'm not sure such a thing exists - even if you look at the Iraq war as an example, the very manner it began in caused problems both in the NATO countries and also in the Arab world at large. Even if the aftermath hadn;t been so completely ****ed up, there would still have been a negative effect outside - and maybe within - Iraq.
The problem is not in making a change - it's in finding the correct change to make. And I don;t think extremism has any role in the latter.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
The problem is not in making a change - it's in finding the correct change to make. And I don;t think extremism has any role in the latter.
Your fist sentence in the quote: :nod:
Second one: No.
In today's world extremism might be THE ONLY answer. We've tried decades without it. What did it get us? A bunch of bigotted politicians and loads of corruption. And these two things also brought religious extremism upon us from the middle-East.
So, if you're not going to make any radical and extreme actions what ARE you gonna do? Appoint new 'normal' (*cough*) politicians? It'll just be the whole damned thing all over again but only worse because it's a cumulative problem. You need radical changes to break that cycle. It's not always likable, but it is needed.
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Bring on the ****ing anarchists I say.
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Originally posted by Tiara
Your fist sentence in the quote: :nod:
Second one: No.
In today's world extremism might be THE ONLY answer. We've tried decades without it. What did it get us? A bunch of bigotted politicians and loads of corruption. And these two things also brought religious extremism upon us from the middle-East.
So, if you're not going to make any radical and extreme actions what ARE you gonna do? Appoint new 'normal' (*cough*) politicians? It'll just be the whole damned thing all over again but only worse because it's a cumulative problem. You need radical changes to break that cycle. It's not always likable, but it is needed.
If you force a 'solution' on people, then they react to it. Violently, aggressively, whatver. If you're talking about radical change, fair enough. But radical change has to involve the people in some way - i.e. to make sure it's the right change. But extremism, to me, means making up that change without consultation, without any form of boundary.
Plu, power corrupts. Extreme power corrupts just as much - probably more - than that which corrupts politicians. So anyone wielding the power required to make extreme chanegs, is as likely to become corrupt as any 'normal' politician.
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We could always set up a totalitarian dictatorship with a time bomb.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
We could always set up a totalitarian dictatorship with a time bomb.
THEY SET US UP THE BOMB!
:p
I will not take responsibility for the contents of this post due to b33r.
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Does Holland have nukes?